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11/1/2007  9:47 AM

SPIN MOVE
ISIAH DEFENDS CRUMMY TENURE
By MARC BERMAN

November 1, 2007 -- Knicks president/coach Isiah Thomas made remarks yesterday that suggested he does not feel he should be fired if the Knicks fail to make playoffs for the fourth straight season, believing their rebuilding plan is still on track.

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Thomas did an awful job in federal court defending his office behavior, but he always has mastered the art of defending his basketball record.

Thomas was at it again yesterday, defending his Knicks record of 118-182 in 3½ seasons, saying clubs like the Bulls and Wizards took as long as nine years to turn around their miseries.

Thomas said he started from rock bottom with a depleted talent pool assembled by former Knicks GM Scott Layden, who started the wreckage of the franchise by trading for injured Antonio McDyess, obtaining stiffs such as Clarence Weatherspoon and Shandon Anderson and trading away Patrick Ewing and Latrell Sprewell.

“When you put it in real NBA time frame, where we were starting from, most organizations take a good nine, 10 years to turn things around, get back in the playoffs and everything else," said Thomas, whose team opens the season tomorrow in Cleveland. “Look at Chicago, who's there, now look at Washington, who's there. When you go back to where those franchises started when they were rebuilding, those are long, long grind-out years where you have to do it. We've been fortunate enough in a short three-to-four years as opposed to an eight-to-nine year period."

Thomas was right in one aspect of his bizarre spin job - that he's increased the talent level immensely during his stint. But that and four dollars will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

“You want to start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, where you're starting to make progress," Thomas said. “From a talent standpoint, when I first got here, we were very depleted." Now I think we're pretty rich with talent and young talent. We're not an old team. We're a talented, young team.

“This team has a couple of years where it could be around and make a run - get into the playoffs, learn how to win in the playoffs, you eventually learn how to win a championship," Thomas added.

Thomas said Tuesday, barring major injuries, he expects to make the playoffs. But so far the talent has gotten them into three straight lotteries (two of which they weren't allowed to participant in because of the Bulls' trade).

Eddy Curry, David Lee, Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, Renaldo Balkman and rookie Wilson Chandler form a good young core, but veterans Stephon Marbury, Zach Randolph, Jared Jeffries and Quentin Richardson have a lot of mileage on their bodies and are prone to breaking down.

“Last year we were pretty much headed in that direction (the playoffs)," Thomas said. “I thought we had pretty good shot at making the playoffs last year, then I think we got hit by a terrible amount of injuries. Coming back this year, I still feel we're moving on that path. I don't see that we've lost that path in any way."

Despite his image in tatters, Thomas said he's still the one to lead the Knicks.

“You need someone to understand the ups and downs," Thomas said. “Which I think I do. I'm confident I can guide them through the process."

Thomas said he believes the real fans are talking basketball, not sexual harassment.

“I think it's pretty balanced with the fans," Thomas said. “Our fans do talk about our team and are excited about our team. There have been stories the media has had to cover, but I don't think it's taken away from what the fans talk about. Fans talk about our team. When you walk down the street, go into restaurants, people are still pretty excited about our basketball team."
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[Edited by - joec32033 on 01 November 2007 09:48]
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11/1/2007  9:51 AM
HA HA HA!!!
First it was five years. Now it's ten. Beautiful.
Too bad we really didn't start from rock bottom. We were in the playoffs the year Isiah got here.
Can't have it both ways, Isiah! Are we rebuilding?! Or winning now?!
And when Chicago was rebuilding, they weren't trading away their lottery picks for damaged goods.
Nor did they trade for long term max contracts for non-franchise talent, or sign marginal talent with their MLE for FIVE years.
Don't compare yourself to Chicago's management, Isiah, you look terrible in comparison.


[Edited by - panos on 01-11-2007 09:53 AM]
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11/1/2007  9:55 AM
Isiah is going to the press to try to save himself, very laughable.

But Isiah is right, he has gotten us youthier and more talented.

But he did so without intellegence or a plan. Just a big old starphuch collection of "knick-Knacks!
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11/1/2007  10:52 AM
I don't think Isiah understands the NY media and fans. This has been one of his downfalls.
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11/1/2007  10:58 AM
Winning cures everything. If IT wants to stay, then win some damn games. He is delusional if he thinks he is getting 9 years to fix this mess.
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11/1/2007  11:25 AM
I think we should extend his extension.
In 3 years he'll say he needs 15 years for the remake, so we might as well give it to him now so that we don't have to worry about him walking after his contract is up to the highest bidder.

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11/1/2007  11:41 AM
I think we lose sight of things when we talk about his tenure. It's really only been 3.5 completed seasons. In BB terms that's not a long time as Isiah put it. I wouldn't say that we want to wait 9 yrs tho just to see results, but at the same time, NO ONE can look at this roster and say that he's not been active and somewhat successful in turning it over.

Now we need to see wins and to me that's the crux of this season. It's all about seeing results. I think he was on his way to starting that last year so I believe he's doing his job. Despite the final record last year, IMO this team took a step forward last year and I'm looking forward to a big step this year. If you take away all the off the court crap and just look at the team, you can get a better handle on things. This team is in much better shape than it was when he got here.

Another thing that I noticed was that Berman didn't include Zach in that young core. The guy isn't old. He just turned 26 in July. This team has a good 5-7 year run with it's core. That to me is a HUGE difference from what we had when Isiah came here.
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11/1/2007  11:45 AM
I think the more he makes excuses this yr the more he's digging himself into a hole.

I truly feel this is the yr Dolan will not fully support him or the terrible results he's produced.

Keep talking I SAY UGH.
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11/1/2007  11:52 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I think the more he makes excuses this yr the more he's digging himself into a hole.

I truly feel this is the yr Dolan will not fully support him or the terrible results he's produced.

Keep talking I SAY UGH.

This is what I mean when I say that Isiah doesn't understand the NY media and fans. He needs to stop trying to push the fans off with excuses. Just suck it up. Listen to the boos and criticism and win some games. If you win games support will be instantaneous.

I wonder if he is talking more to Dolan than he is to the rest of us.
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11/1/2007  11:55 AM
Posted by Bippity10:


This is what I mean when I say that Isiah doesn't understand the NY media and fans. He needs to stop trying to push the fans off with excuses. Just suck it up. Listen to the boos and criticism and win some games. If you win games support will be instantaneous.

I wonder if he is talking more to Dolan than he is to the rest of us.

I'm positive that Isiah talks to Dolan more often than we do. I know I've never talked to Dolan.
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11/1/2007  11:57 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:


This is what I mean when I say that Isiah doesn't understand the NY media and fans. He needs to stop trying to push the fans off with excuses. Just suck it up. Listen to the boos and criticism and win some games. If you win games support will be instantaneous.

I wonder if he is talking more to Dolan than he is to the rest of us.

I'm positive that Isiah talks to Dolan more often than we do. I know I've never talked to Dolan.

I nominate BJ as official site jester.
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11/1/2007  11:59 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I think the more he makes excuses this yr the more he's digging himself into a hole.

I truly feel this is the yr Dolan will not fully support him or the terrible results he's produced.

Keep talking I SAY UGH.
What excuses? They haven't even played a game yet? It's not about excuses anymore. I do agree that this is a make or break year for Isiah. He must win this year and I believe the team will win. Even if this team isn't great, it looks good enough to be a competitive team and to make the playoffs. That's really all Dolan cares about anyway. So the chances of Isiah being fired seem slim to me.

I'm more concerned with the further development of the team. I want to see this team become a serious contender. I want to see our young players fully develop and learn how to win and play on a higher level. If the team doesn't look like it's beginning to do that, this is more of a reason to fire Isiah than anything. He has to show that he's capable of finally getting this team to execute at a higher level and become a serious threat to contend.
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11/1/2007  12:01 PM
Posted by nixluva:

What excuses? They haven't even played a game yet? It's not about excuses anymore.

nix, I refer you to the first post in this thread where Isiah is making his excuses before a single game has been played.


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11/1/2007  12:02 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:


This is what I mean when I say that Isiah doesn't understand the NY media and fans. He needs to stop trying to push the fans off with excuses. Just suck it up. Listen to the boos and criticism and win some games. If you win games support will be instantaneous.

I wonder if he is talking more to Dolan than he is to the rest of us.

I'm positive that Isiah talks to Dolan more often than we do. I know I've never talked to Dolan.

I nominate BJ as official site jester.

No need to nominate him, the other challengers have conceded.
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11/1/2007  12:05 PM
There is NOT ONE MOVE that Isiah made with a 'ten year' horizon.

Everything, every move, has been 'win now'

He said we can't wait for a rebuild- NY won't accept this.

He says this garbage, but he just cut dnic because dnic isn't a ten year move? But Freddy Jones is?

Its pathalogical. Isiah is a sick personality. Its sad- I actually have pity for him, because he can't help himself, doesn't realize what a farce is Isiah.
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11/1/2007  12:06 PM
Once Starbury goes and sells his shoes at all-star break and gets kidnapped, isiah can groom his future pg to run the team properly.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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11/1/2007  12:07 PM
The fact that he feels it necessary to defend himself like this, leads me to believe that he's under pressure to win with his job on the line.

I think he has until the sexual harassment appeal is decided to prove to Dolan that this team can win. It gives Dolan the chance to fire him based on the lawsuit and challenge the extension that he gave him.

Looks like I better start writing the start of "The Official Isiah is FINALLY Fired" thread. Or at least update the ones I've started.
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11/1/2007  12:07 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I think the more he makes excuses this yr the more he's digging himself into a hole.

I truly feel this is the yr Dolan will not fully support him or the terrible results he's produced.

Keep talking I SAY UGH.

This is what I mean when I say that Isiah doesn't understand the NY media and fans. He needs to stop trying to push the fans off with excuses. Just suck it up. Listen to the boos and criticism and win some games. If you win games support will be instantaneous.

I wonder if he is talking more to Dolan than he is to the rest of us.


He always has been except this yr he'll run out of mulligans. I want him to keep talking and want nothing more than for this team to stay as healthy as reasonably possible.
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11/1/2007  12:07 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:


This is what I mean when I say that Isiah doesn't understand the NY media and fans. He needs to stop trying to push the fans off with excuses. Just suck it up. Listen to the boos and criticism and win some games. If you win games support will be instantaneous.

I wonder if he is talking more to Dolan than he is to the rest of us.

I'm positive that Isiah talks to Dolan more often than we do. I know I've never talked to Dolan.

I nominate BJ as official site jester.

https:// It's not so hard.
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11/1/2007  12:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:

The fact that he feels it necessary to defend himself like this, leads me to believe that he's under pressure to win with his job on the line.

I think he has until the sexual harassment appeal is decided to prove to Dolan that this team can win. It gives Dolan the chance to fire him based on the lawsuit and challenge the extension that he gave him.

Looks like I better start writing the start of "The Official Isiah is FINALLY Fired" thread. Or at least update the ones I've started.


Yeah there really is no need for him to address his own tenure, leave that up to the critics. Instead because he's as insecure as they come, he delivers yet another bulletin board material mercy request in the media.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 11-01-2007 11:12 AM]
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