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oohah
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10/23/2007  10:47 AM
When I look at Zach Randolph, I see a guy with skinny calves and flabby arms. He's got a weird, un-athletic shape and he looks fat.

But when he gets the ball in his hands I am really impressed by what he can do. He truly has strong small-forward skills allowing him to be pretty effective from the perimeter. However, I think IT would be doing the team a disservice to station him out there a' la Frye.

He's got great post moves and I don't get that black-hole feel from him even though that is his rep. He keeps his hands up for rebounds and has a nice put-back touch.

For the love of god Isiah, let Eddy cut to the basket for dunks and learn to scrap for the garbage buckets similar to Lee. Run the front court through Randolph.

Also, I wouldn't imagine Randolph could bust up Ruben Patterson the way he did. He must be badder than he seems: All lookin' like a marshmallow!

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10/23/2007  10:49 AM
zach looks like this guy...



btw, do you know who eddie winslow is marrying? superhead.
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10/23/2007  10:51 AM
superhead.

I thought superhead was Marbury.

One blow from Marbury's noggin ended Jayson Williams' career.

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10/23/2007  10:52 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

zach looks like this guy...



btw, do you know who eddie winslow is marrying? superhead.

damn. she was dating bill mahr.
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10/23/2007  11:05 AM
Agree with you 100% on how he should be used (and how Curry should be used as a result).
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10/23/2007  11:08 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Agree with you 100% on how he should be used (and how Curry should be used as a result).

i thought you were talking about how superhead should be used.
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10/23/2007  11:11 AM
Let's give this some time fellas. I love Zach's game and I think in Eddy's case he just needs some tiime to get fully healthy. Let's not forget how dominant Eddy can be when he's going right. 57.6% shooting is no joke! Both guys just need time to feel this thing out and so does the rest of the team. The thing is that we have a 3 HEADED MONSTER in Zach, Curry and Lee. I've been going on about this all summer and I think this is the reason this team is gonna be good this year. Teams may be able to deal with just Curry or just Zach, but not those guys AND Lee. I'm very happy about these guys. Then down the line we can look forward to Balk and Chan. What's not to like about that?
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10/23/2007  11:22 AM
It's sad when your best player and the one it appears we need to hang our hat on is Zach Randolph.

However we need to center our offense around him. The two things I hope he works on is passing and interior defense. I don't like the fact when he gets the ball he never is looking to pass.
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10/23/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by oohah:

When I look at Zach Randolph, I see a guy with skinny calves and flabby arms. He's got a weird, un-athletic shape and he looks fat.

But when he gets the ball in his hands I am really impressed by what he can do. He truly has strong small-forward skills allowing him to be pretty effective from the perimeter. However, I think IT would be doing the team a disservice to station him out there a' la Frye.

He's got great post moves and I don't get that black-hole feel from him even though that is his rep. He keeps his hands up for rebounds and has a nice put-back touch.

For the love of god Isiah, let Eddy cut to the basket for dunks and learn to scrap for the garbage buckets similar to Lee. Run the front court through Randolph.

Also, I wouldn't imagine Randolph could bust up Ruben Patterson the way he did. He must be badder than he seems: All lookin' like a marshmallow!

oohah
Totally agree. The offense should be run through Zach. He's a better passer out of the double team and getting him off to and early start in the paint will allow him to drift away later on. That will allow Eddy to move into the post later on in the game.

Eddy is fleet of foot and does very well scoring on the move.
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10/23/2007  7:23 PM
He is sooooo much better then FRYE it is ridculous that the Knicks got him. IMHO that trade was a steal for NY. Frye cannot even shine Zach's shoes on the court.
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10/23/2007  7:30 PM
any player in the nba can win if they are in the right situation.

there are talented players on this team but isiah has not put them in the right situation to succeed b/c he's not very good in team building (complimentary parts, better decision making players, etc.). so we are put in the position of hope that these talented players become better all around players and can mesh and win.

yes, it's easy to criticize curry, zach, our backcourt, etc b/c they don't play defense and seem to only care about scoring. but i think many of the players on this team are put in positions where they shouldn't be at this point in their careers, thus the constant need for "gelling" and "patience". i mean over 1/2 the teams in the league make the playoffs and this team has a big problem achieving that goal despite spending alot of money for it's players. that's pretty bad imho.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-23-2007 7:32 PM]
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10/23/2007  7:33 PM
Posted by oohah:

When I look at Zach Randolph, I see a guy with skinny calves and flabby arms. He's got a weird, un-athletic shape and he looks fat.

But when he gets the ball in his hands I am really impressed by what he can do. He truly has strong small-forward skills allowing him to be pretty effective from the perimeter. However, I think IT would be doing the team a disservice to station him out there a' la Frye.

He's got great post moves and I don't get that black-hole feel from him even though that is his rep. He keeps his hands up for rebounds and has a nice put-back touch.

For the love of god Isiah, let Eddy cut to the basket for dunks and learn to scrap for the garbage buckets similar to Lee. Run the front court through Randolph.

Also, I wouldn't imagine Randolph could bust up Ruben Patterson the way he did. He must be badder than he seems: All lookin' like a marshmallow!

oohah

I agree completely. Zach is where it starts for us on offense.
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Posted by oohah:

When I look at Zach Randolph, I see a guy with skinny calves and flabby arms. He's got a weird, un-athletic shape and he looks fat.

But when he gets the ball in his hands I am really impressed by what he can do. He truly has strong small-forward skills allowing him to be pretty effective from the perimeter. However, I think IT would be doing the team a disservice to station him out there a' la Frye.

He's got great post moves and I don't get that black-hole feel from him even though that is his rep. He keeps his hands up for rebounds and has a nice put-back touch.

For the love of god Isiah, let Eddy cut to the basket for dunks and learn to scrap for the garbage buckets similar to Lee. Run the front court through Randolph.

Also, I wouldn't imagine Randolph could bust up Ruben Patterson the way he did. He must be badder than he seems: All lookin' like a marshmallow!

oohah

I agree completely. Zach is where it starts for us on offense.
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10/23/2007  7:36 PM
Posted by oohah:

When I look at Zach Randolph, I see a guy with skinny calves and flabby arms. He's got a weird, un-athletic shape and he looks fat.

But when he gets the ball in his hands I am really impressed by what he can do. He truly has strong small-forward skills allowing him to be pretty effective from the perimeter. However, I think IT would be doing the team a disservice to station him out there a' la Frye.

He's got great post moves and I don't get that black-hole feel from him even though that is his rep. He keeps his hands up for rebounds and has a nice put-back touch.

For the love of god Isiah, let Eddy cut to the basket for dunks and learn to scrap for the garbage buckets similar to Lee. Run the front court through Randolph.

Also, I wouldn't imagine Randolph could bust up Ruben Patterson the way he did. He must be badder than he seems: All lookin' like a marshmallow!

oohah

asking eddy to not be the focus of the offense and become a cutter and scrapper is completely changing his role. isn't the complaint that there is too much change as it is? the team spent the entire 06/07 season on eddy...this would really make last season kind of seem like there was no long range plan.
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10/23/2007  10:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

When I look at Zach Randolph, I see a guy with skinny calves and flabby arms. He's got a weird, un-athletic shape and he looks fat.

But when he gets the ball in his hands I am really impressed by what he can do. He truly has strong small-forward skills allowing him to be pretty effective from the perimeter. However, I think IT would be doing the team a disservice to station him out there a' la Frye.

He's got great post moves and I don't get that black-hole feel from him even though that is his rep. He keeps his hands up for rebounds and has a nice put-back touch.

For the love of god Isiah, let Eddy cut to the basket for dunks and learn to scrap for the garbage buckets similar to Lee. Run the front court through Randolph.

Also, I wouldn't imagine Randolph could bust up Ruben Patterson the way he did. He must be badder than he seems: All lookin' like a marshmallow!

oohah

asking eddy to not be the focus of the offense and become a cutter and scrapper is completely changing his role. isn't the complaint that there is too much change as it is? the team spent the entire 06/07 season on eddy...this would really make last season kind of seem like there was no long range plan.

Eddy is still a huge part of this team and I don't see any reason to take a different approach now. I want to see how they're playing by mid season. In the beginning I would expect some adjustment problems. This was the 1st time that the rotation resembled a regular season game. I want to see more of this and allow time for things to come together more. I'm not so much concerned about immediate results as I am about the longterm. This group is gonna likely be together for a while, so I want to see them settle into a nice groove with each other and that may take some time. It's reasonable to expect that they'll be much better later in the season than they have shown so far.

I also want to allow time for Eddy to be fully healed and perhaps more mentally than physically. Who knows if he's not thinking about his shoulder when he's playing. Patience is still the operative word. We're not in a rush here. Only the fans and media are in a rush, but the team should be concerned only with getting it right. Wins are more important than individual success. As a trio Zach, Curry and Lee are going to be formidable. That's the most important point in all this. I'm sure there will be some up and downs for any one of the guys on any given night, but they've got each others back covered when one is off his game.
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10/23/2007  10:04 PM
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Posted by oohah:

When I look at Zach Randolph, I see a guy with skinny calves and flabby arms. He's got a weird, un-athletic shape and he looks fat.

But when he gets the ball in his hands I am really impressed by what he can do. He truly has strong small-forward skills allowing him to be pretty effective from the perimeter. However, I think IT would be doing the team a disservice to station him out there a' la Frye.

He's got great post moves and I don't get that black-hole feel from him even though that is his rep. He keeps his hands up for rebounds and has a nice put-back touch.

For the love of god Isiah, let Eddy cut to the basket for dunks and learn to scrap for the garbage buckets similar to Lee. Run the front court through Randolph.

Also, I wouldn't imagine Randolph could bust up Ruben Patterson the way he did. He must be badder than he seems: All lookin' like a marshmallow!

oohah

asking eddy to not be the focus of the offense and become a cutter and scrapper is completely changing his role. isn't the complaint that there is too much change as it is? the team spent the entire 06/07 season on eddy...this would really make last season kind of seem like there was no long range plan.

With this team it is no such a thing as to change the role of the player.
The role will change by itself with the flow of the game.
Isiah is not architect - he is just moving with the flow.
Why bother? Live is good and no need to straggle.
Eddy's role will go from centerpiece of offense to warming the bench.
Zack will make him useless completely after Lee made him useless on all stuff but scoring in the paint.
Same can go for Craf with Nate if Nate is serious about his game.
And the only thing which will save marbs from mardy is Isiah moving mardy to IR or D-league

[Edited by - arkrud on 10-23-2007 10:04 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 10-23-2007 10:05 PM]
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10/24/2007  7:41 AM
asking eddy to not be the focus of the offense and become a cutter and scrapper is completely changing his role. isn't the complaint that there is too much change as it is? the team spent the entire 06/07 season on eddy...this would really make last season kind of seem like there was no long range plan.

It really isn't as difficult as it sounds. Sometimes I laugh when we talk about a player taking 3-4 years to learn about how to pass out of a double-team. It should only take a week or two! These guys aren't 5 year olds!

So when you have a guy like Eddy, who seemingly will never learn to be effective at moving the ball, you let him do what comes naturally. He has always been very effective facing the basket and moving forward. Agile, creative, and able to adjust, he is in his element. Actually, I think that is what really sets him apart from other players his size. That's when he is completely unstoppable.

I'm not saying Eddy can't have any post-ups, post him up 5-6 times a game. If he is massacring his man, ride it!

In addition, Zach is better if he isn't "Fryed" (Nalod's term) on the perimeter, 20 feet from the basket.

A good shooter is not the same thing as a perimeter player.

It's really about getting the most from all of your players. A little less from Curry doesn't mean he isn't very effective, but it will mean we get a lot more benefit from Randolph.

oohah



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10/24/2007  7:45 AM
Eddy is still a huge part of this team and I don't see any reason to take a different approach now. I want to see how they're playing by mid season. In the beginning I would expect some adjustment problems. This was the 1st time that the rotation resembled a regular season game. I want to see more of this and allow time for things to come together more. I'm not so much concerned about immediate results as I am about the longterm. This group is gonna likely be together for a while, so I want to see them settle into a nice groove with each other and that may take some time. It's reasonable to expect that they'll be much better later in the season than they have shown so far.

I also want to allow time for Eddy to be fully healed and perhaps more mentally than physically. Who knows if he's not thinking about his shoulder when he's playing. Patience is still the operative word. We're not in a rush here. Only the fans and media are in a rush, but the team should be concerned only with getting it right. Wins are more important than individual success. As a trio Zach, Curry and Lee are going to be formidable. That's the most important point in all this. I'm sure there will be some up and downs for any one of the guys on any given night, but they've got each others back covered when one is off his game.

Nix, Isiah and Eddy both say that for the team to progress to the next level, Eddy has to expand his game, shoot rfom 5-10 feet from the basket, etc.

Last year was Eddy Curry post-up training camp. Fine. But I think that was to the detriment of some other players, mainly Frye.

I would hate for that to happen to a guy of Randolph's offensive caliber. And Lee must play near the basket. Take him away from the hoop and there isn't much left.

Curry is going to have to learn to clear the lane for others to operate, learn to be a threat from outside of 3 feet. I would say 5-10 feet is about right. It is crucial.

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10/24/2007  8:39 AM
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