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misterearl
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10/23/2007  9:50 AM
Boston brings out a spark of regular-season competitive in Knicks for a night. Not many juicy words to add personal references, but a sign of the Knicks establishing what everyone has been clamoring for - an identity.

He wanted it like that, That's the way we have to play." - Marbury

With Nate, Zach, Lee and The Balkman, The Knicks actually enough physically-oriented roughnecks to make it work.

"It was very intense," Crawford said. "It definitely didn't seem like a preseason game."

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10/23/2007  9:53 AM
earl, would love to see that mainitained. it's the returns to lethargy and unspirited play that bum us out with this crew.
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10/23/2007  9:53 AM
Addendum

As that the team performance took a turn for the more intense (and productive) after the Denver scuffle, I would submit this subtle transformation can be bookmarked with that event.

Damn that Nate

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10/23/2007  9:54 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Addendum

As that the team performance took a turn for the more intense (and productive) after the Denver scuffle, I would submit this subtle transformation can be bookmarked with that event.

Damn that Nate

please. then what accounts for all the POS performances we witnessed from then to now?
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10/23/2007  9:57 AM
The Untouchables

Marv - the Oakley/Starks/Mase Knicks played with an edge that suggested layups were not a good idea.

With the new NBA policies on violence, can the Knicks get away with being labelled "enforcers" of a similar code in 2007-08 without major penalties?

It's a tricky thing this identity.
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10/23/2007  10:10 AM
Marv - if you look at the regular season games after the Denver scuffle, I don't remember many instances where the team mailed it in. Sometimes, it still just comes back to available talent. There were some important Knicks players missing in March.

I have a revolutionary idea. Let's cheer Nate's development.
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10/23/2007  10:26 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - if you look at the regular season games after the Denver scuffle, I don't remember many instances where the team mailed it in. Sometimes, it still just comes back to available talent. There were some important Knicks players missing in March.

I have a revolutionary idea. Let's cheer Nate's development.

earl, i'll cheer nate's game last night. i'll hardly cheer his "development."

against philly: 1-8 fg. 0-3 3's. 1 assist. 3 TO's

against boston: 0-4 fg. 0-3 3's. 0 assists. 1 TO.

against nj: 0-8 fg. 0-3 3's. 1 assist. 1 TO.
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10/23/2007  10:33 AM
I think Robinson is being showcased.

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10/23/2007  10:46 AM
the problem with the team last year was that they only got up for certain games. if that trend continues, we will play boston tough this season (luckily we got that 40 pt drubbing out of the way before games count). just like last year when i remember us playing cleveland tough. but, last year we couldn't beat the crappy teams in our own division - last year's celts and sixers especially.

i hope this "edgy" identity doesn't mean we only get up for revenge games, or to prove something against top teams.
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10/23/2007  10:49 AM
Oakley/Starks/Mase played hard all the time without fail and were overachievers.

Why some people would try to equate them to this bunch of slackers and underachievers is beyond me.
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10/23/2007  11:19 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - if you look at the regular season games after the Denver scuffle, I don't remember many instances where the team mailed it in. Sometimes, it still just comes back to available talent. There were some important Knicks players missing in March.

I have a revolutionary idea. Let's cheer Nate's development.

earl, i'll cheer nate's game last night. i'll hardly cheer his "development."

against philly: 1-8 fg. 0-3 3's. 1 assist. 3 TO's

against boston: 0-4 fg. 0-3 3's. 0 assists. 1 TO.

against nj: 0-8 fg. 0-3 3's. 1 assist. 1 TO.

Marv, I missed most of those 3 games, and granted, he shot poorly, but 5 TOs in 3 games is pretty darn good in my eyes. With that said, he CLEARLY needs to play more like last night, and I hope he keeps it up. On both ends.
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10/23/2007  11:19 AM
Earl asked:

Is an edgy Knicks team identity in the works or was it all just an act for Dolan?

Only time will tell.
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10/23/2007  1:10 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - if you look at the regular season games after the Denver scuffle, I don't remember many instances where the team mailed it in. Sometimes, it still just comes back to available talent. There were some important Knicks players missing in March.

I have a revolutionary idea. Let's cheer Nate's development.

earl, i'll cheer nate's game last night. i'll hardly cheer his "development."

against philly: 1-8 fg. 0-3 3's. 1 assist. 3 TO's

against boston: 0-4 fg. 0-3 3's. 0 assists. 1 TO.

against nj: 0-8 fg. 0-3 3's. 1 assist. 1 TO.



Identity.

C'mon Marv - enough with the superficial stats. This ain't about game by game stats but about growth and the maturation process, which is different for everyone.

Sure. Nate has danced during warmups, irritated the hell outta some vets and pissed off some opponents. You don't get to the NBA at 5'8 being no punk. Nate has never backed down. Nate leaves his heart on the floor, which is EXACTLY what Knicks fans supposedly love about their ballers.

Here's the choice: You can either decide to be supportive of a young Knicks player, no matter how problemmatic he has been in the past. Or you can continue the convenient route of celebrating each and every flaw with the patented, "I told you he was crap" routine.

Sometimes I wonder if the singularly lovable David Lee wasn't on the team, there would not be one Knicks player deemed worthy of your precious applause.

dang


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10/23/2007  1:12 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Oakley/Starks/Mase played hard all the time without fail and were overachievers.

Why some people would try to equate them to this bunch of slackers and underachievers is beyond me.


Islesfan - I would suggest you learn to read and comprehend before you contine with the lame personal put-downs.

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10/23/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by islesfan:

Oakley/Starks/Mase played hard all the time without fail and were overachievers.

Why some people would try to equate them to this bunch of slackers and underachievers is beyond me.


Islesfan - I would suggest you learn to read and comprehend before you contine with the lame personal put-downs.

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Where's the personal put down in Isles' post?
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10/23/2007  1:18 PM
misterearl, if you continue with this implacable ebullience, i am going to have to have you banned.
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10/23/2007  1:22 PM
Don't get me started.

Panos - I'm treading in the thin ice of being banned as it is. I understand cheering for the Knicks is strictly prohibited, and socially unacceptable, but this is nuts.

Oh, nice use of the word "ebullience" by the way.

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10/23/2007  1:29 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by islesfan:

Oakley/Starks/Mase played hard all the time without fail and were overachievers.

Why some people would try to equate them to this bunch of slackers and underachievers is beyond me.


Islesfan - I would suggest you learn to read and comprehend before you contine with the lame personal put-downs.

next

Where's the personal put down in Isles' post?

eVil - forget the personal part. I have already moved on to the next idea. The more relevant question is where is there a germ or a sprout, of an original basketball thought in that post. Can you find it?



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10/23/2007  1:31 PM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - if you look at the regular season games after the Denver scuffle, I don't remember many instances where the team mailed it in. Sometimes, it still just comes back to available talent. There were some important Knicks players missing in March.

I have a revolutionary idea. Let's cheer Nate's development.

earl, i'll cheer nate's game last night. i'll hardly cheer his "development."

against philly: 1-8 fg. 0-3 3's. 1 assist. 3 TO's

against boston: 0-4 fg. 0-3 3's. 0 assists. 1 TO.

against nj: 0-8 fg. 0-3 3's. 1 assist. 1 TO.



Identity.

C'mon Marv - enough with the superficial stats. This ain't about game by game stats but about growth and the maturation process, which is different for everyone.

Sure. Nate has danced during warmups, irritated the hell outta some vets and pissed off some opponents. You don't get to the NBA at 5'8 being no punk. Nate has never backed down. Nate leaves his heart on the floor, which is EXACTLY what Knicks fans supposedly love about their ballers.

Here's the choice: You can either decide to be supportive of a young Knicks player, no matter how problemmatic he has been in the past. Or you can continue the convenient route of celebrating each and every flaw with the patented, "I told you he was crap" routine.

Sometimes I wonder if the singularly lovable David Lee wasn't on the team, there would not be one Knicks player deemed worthy of your precious applause.

dang

now earl, chill your implacable ebullience for one moment ,and please consider what i am really saying. i think nate's development as an nba player is extremely spotty and not progressing toward any kind of consistent production on the court. i don't think he's a good player for us to hang hopes of dependable output on. believe me i cheer the little f**k on like crazy and originally had high hopes for him. but i'm trying to be realistic at this point because i really don't want us to keep cranking out these excruciating 30-something win seasons and yet i don't see anything from this squad to make me think we're progressing beyond that.
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10/23/2007  1:35 PM
eVil - There have been many comments that have mentioned, or questioned, the Knicks team identity.

I initiated a thread with that theme in mind, searching for recent clues to that end. I used the Denver scuffle as a starting point because after the Nuggets game last season. Most thought the team was ready to implode. What happened?

The Knicks went on a a defiant run of better basketball and started to win.

The Boston 40 point loss was another opportunity for gnashing of teeth. The Knicks respond by playing more like the 1994 Knicks. I never said they WERE the 1994 Knicks.

Can you tell me where the problem in comprehension lies?
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