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BlueSeats
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10/20/2007  10:53 AM
I'm trying to think of which players represent the strength, heart and soul of the Knicks, who represent the positive side of our identity, and I just have too much trouble getting lost in cynicism and jokes. Most of the guys I relate to are blue-collar role players with severe deficiencies to their game, and their quantities are still unknown. Are Lee and balkman core players? Are the the best that Isiah's 3.5 years of spending have yielded? Are Marbury and Curry, our expensive show pieces, core elements or white elephants? What about the new kid: Zach? He's probably our best player, right? Is he the backbone our team should be built upon? Jamal? Q? Some little understood rookie?

Anyway, please list your 2, 3, or 4 core players you feel can shoulder a contending NBA franchise.
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10/20/2007  11:19 AM
Knicks future center
Knicks future PF (Lee?)
Knicks future SF (Chan?, Balk?)
Knicks future SG
Knicks future PG

There are some candidates but they are work in progress.
So I will conclude we have none of this.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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10/20/2007  11:28 AM
Posted by arkrud:

Knicks future center
Knicks future PF (Lee?)
Knicks future SF (Chan?, Balk?)
Knicks future SG
Knicks future PG

There are some candidates but they are work in progress.
So I will conclude we have none of this.

Dude, I'm cranky too, but this team has solid players that will be here for the next few years at every position other than the 2. Randolph and Curry are the now and future at the 4/5, Chandler is the future 3, and Marty is the future 1. We have a core, we just have layers of rotten crap around the core.
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10/20/2007  11:31 AM
lee
chandler
balkman
collins

that's extremely sad- all guys picked later in the first round- they're the only ones who try and play defense and team ball on offense.

these four certainly don't carry this team into the play offs- but they are certainly the role players you need.

maybe chandler develops into an offensive threat-
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10/20/2007  11:45 AM
No jokes? I guess I can't answer this question either.

This team has many competent players but I don't think it has developed a core yet. Maybe through the experience of the regular season, one will develop.
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10/20/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by arkrud:

Knicks future center
Knicks future PF (Lee?)
Knicks future SF (Chan?, Balk?)
Knicks future SG
Knicks future PG

There are some candidates but they are work in progress.
So I will conclude we have none of this.

Dude, I'm cranky too, but this team has solid players that will be here for the next few years at every position other than the 2. Randolph and Curry are the now and future at the 4/5, Chandler is the future 3, and Marty is the future 1. We have a core, we just have layers of rotten crap around the core.

Take Isiah out and this will change the view.
Mardy will not get light under IT.
Eddy and Zack cannot be a core of any team. They have skills but they don't have character.
They are role players and their role is limited to scoring.
Can they change? Maybe. But not under IT. Under him they can only degrade.




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10/20/2007  12:14 PM
If you look at the starting lineup and the guys who get the most minutes, it's clear our GM/Coach thinks are core is Eddy, Zach, Q-Rich, Jamal, and Stephon.
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10/20/2007  1:07 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you look at the starting lineup and the guys who get the most minutes, it's clear our GM/Coach thinks are core is Eddy, Zach, Q-Rich, Jamal, and Stephon.

Add on Lee and Balkman and I think you have our "core" as of now.
"It was good," Curry said. "I killed Malik, Jerome. The usual suspects. It felt good."
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10/20/2007  1:13 PM
This is the year Stephon fall out of favor with Isiah. The Core players for the Knicks will be Curry, Zack, Chandler and Mardy, with Lee and Balkman close behind Crawford too. Isiah realizes that he needs a distributing PG in todays NBA that is why he went after Jared Jordan. Nate is a circus so he really can never be a core guy.
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10/20/2007  1:20 PM
Posted by Vmart:

This is the year Stephon fall out of favor with Isiah. The Core players for the Knicks will be Curry, Zack, Chandler and Mardy, with Lee and Balkman close behind Crawford too. Isiah realizes that he needs a distributing PG in todays NBA that is why he went after Jared Jordan. Nate is a circus so he really can never be a core guy.

I dont want to lose the original topic here but I beg to differ on Stephon. I still believe he'll be our catalyst on the floor and that the Knicks need him to be if we're going to be any good. When the Knicks were going at their best last year, Stephon had a lot to do with it. If his head is on straight and playing the kind of ball that he is capable of, the Knicks will be at their best.
"It was good," Curry said. "I killed Malik, Jerome. The usual suspects. It felt good."
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10/20/2007  1:41 PM
Posted by Bernard30:
Posted by Vmart:

This is the year Stephon fall out of favor with Isiah. The Core players for the Knicks will be Curry, Zack, Chandler and Mardy, with Lee and Balkman close behind Crawford too. Isiah realizes that he needs a distributing PG in todays NBA that is why he went after Jared Jordan. Nate is a circus so he really can never be a core guy.

I dont want to lose the original topic here but I beg to differ on Stephon. I still believe he'll be our catalyst on the floor and that the Knicks need him to be if we're going to be any good. When the Knicks were going at their best last year, Stephon had a lot to do with it. If his head is on straight and playing the kind of ball that he is capable of, the Knicks will be at their best.

I have never been a Stephon guy but if you say he can do what you think he can then it will be great to see, but far as I know I don't think Stephon is a great floor general as you think he maybe. He isn't a great passer and his skill to see a play develop isn't great. I will wait for his 5 assists and 13 dimes, if anyone has figured that out yet. Lets hope he gets his teammates involved.

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10/20/2007  2:15 PM
All I know is that our core sucks.

I'd rather cut everyone and have a CHANCE at Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, or Niccolas Batum.

When I'd rather have a CHANCE at drafting a player than keep ANY portion of the Knicks intact, there's a problem. I mean, I like Lee and Balkman, but I'd rather have a chance to draft one of those guys than have either.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 10-20-2007 4:06 PM]
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10/20/2007  2:22 PM
our core right now is marbury, crawford and curry.
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10/20/2007  2:39 PM
Posted by Bernard30:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you look at the starting lineup and the guys who get the most minutes, it's clear our GM/Coach thinks are core is Eddy, Zach, Q-Rich, Jamal, and Stephon.

Add on Lee and Balkman and I think you have our "core" as of now.

Balkman plays too little to count as a core player even when healthy. Lee might count depending on how he's used now that Isiah got a starting PF to replace many of his minutes.
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10/20/2007  3:06 PM
Of the players we have, which ones do you think have the most "upside?"

Curry and Randolph are in a defferent catagory, if they can play D and get a team mindset then they would be all-star starters.

For me, the list is Chandler. He can play on both ends, and creates mismatches, and like Hollinger says, "that's like finding a unicorn on this roster."

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/20/2007  3:10 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bernard30:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you look at the starting lineup and the guys who get the most minutes, it's clear our GM/Coach thinks are core is Eddy, Zach, Q-Rich, Jamal, and Stephon.

Add on Lee and Balkman and I think you have our "core" as of now.

Balkman plays too little to count as a core player even when healthy. Lee might count depending on how he's used now that Isiah got a starting PF to replace many of his minutes.

True in the past, but I'm thinking about this season and beyond. We all know what Balkman and Lee bring every time they are on the floor. I hope that Balkman would play 20 minutes and Lee 30, I just know that unfortuantely that might not occur right off the bat. BUT, if things start off poorly for our beloved Knicks, then hopefully the light switch will go on in Isiah's head and Balkman and Lee will get as many minutes as they deserve. We might have to wait 20 games for it to happen but Lee and Balkman, imho, will be part of our core now and for years to come.
"It was good," Curry said. "I killed Malik, Jerome. The usual suspects. It felt good."
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10/20/2007  4:44 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I'm trying to think of which players represent the strength, heart and soul of the Knicks, who represent the positive side of our identity, and I just have too much trouble getting lost in cynicism and jokes. Most of the guys I relate to are blue-collar role players with severe deficiencies to their game, and their quantities are still unknown. Are Lee and balkman core players? Are the the best that Isiah's 3.5 years of spending have yielded? Are Marbury and Curry, our expensive show pieces, core elements or white elephants? What about the new kid: Zach? He's probably our best player, right? Is he the backbone our team should be built upon? Jamal? Q? Some little understood rookie?

Anyway, please list your 2, 3, or 4 core players you feel can shoulder a contending NBA franchise.

I can see Isiah saying right now that we don't need a core because he is the core, and the leader. Jeffries is also the glue that will keep the core stable.

Remember this is a team that Isiah said will be fun to watch while you sit down and eat popcorn.



[Edited by - BigC on 10-20-2007 5:00 PM]
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10/20/2007  4:48 PM
Balk, Chandler, Lee and Curry are the only keepers as far as I'm concerned. For the most part, they are valuable role-players who can be apart of the solution and help turn this team around once we figure out how to build a team correctly. These guys are chemistry guys, and are the right pieces to surround a stud player. As far as finding that stud player...well...thats another thread.
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10/20/2007  5:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

our core right now is marbury, crawford and curry.


I looked at this for a while to decide of you were being smug or sincere. I've concluded that you are sincere, and technically correct. At this point in time those guys actually are our de facto core.

I personally have trouble to consider Marbury and Crawford any kind of core. They should both be on the bench. I guess my personal "core" would be one of either Balkman or Lee, plus one of either Curry or Randolph. I think you use this year to pick one from Column A, and one from Column B, and see who of Mardy, Morris, Chandler, etc, are worth keeping, and the rest are trade fodder. They're all on the market to upgrade and consolidate.
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10/20/2007  6:40 PM
Who's are core? It wasn't born yet.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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