Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

With the opportunity that the Yankees gave him, he was a retread manager and now he's a sure fire Hall of Famer, I think it's a shame he turned their offer down.

That offer still made him a the highest paid manager in baseball, by far. Whatever treatment Torre thinks he had to deal with, the Yankees gave him more than he could ever dreamed of. Taking a paycut of $2M, with some bonuses which are right there for the taking, shouldn't have been a big enough deal to turn down their offer.

Maybe he just felt ready to retire. Nothing wrong with that.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

With the opportunity that the Yankees gave him, he was a retread manager and now he's a sure fire Hall of Famer, I think it's a shame he turned their offer down.

That offer still made him a the highest paid manager in baseball, by far. Whatever treatment Torre thinks he had to deal with, the Yankees gave him more than he could ever dreamed of. Taking a paycut of $2M, with some bonuses which are right there for the taking, shouldn't have been a big enough deal to turn down their offer.

Maybe he just felt ready to retire. Nothing wrong with that.

That's fair. If that's the case then more power to him. But there's nothing that we've heard to suggest that.

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Vmart:

He was never that good. Terrible in game manager, good club house manager. Refuses to play small ball and waits for the Homerun much to much, he forgot what got him the championships. That last game vs. Cleveland I went to left me baffled beyond belief. Torre needed to go, he was more the product of the team being down right loaded. Good move by the Yankees and contrary to what others say they did their due diligence and made a sound decision.

I don't disagree. But I do give him a lot more credit for what they won under him.

Lately he just seemed to lose his touch and seemed to be living off his past and the team's talent. They need someone new to push button and stop the complacency that has infested the team. The team always seems to wait for something to happen because of their talent instead of going out and taking it. That's why younger and hungrier teams always seem to beat them in the playoffs. The D'Backs, Marlins, Angels, the Tigers and now the Indians. I think change will be good.

You are right Torre waited for things to happen instead of making things happen in the playoffs.

I think its unfair to criticize torre for not playing small ball- he doesn't have a team of small ball players. what did a rod & jeter hit in the series?

I honestly thought the yankees would do well- they got into a winning mode at the right time of the year, put together a nice streak.

But I will say this- when chamberlain got unnerved by the bugs- torre should have gotten someone else in their- I think that was the moment that cleveland said 'we're better than the yankees' we can win'.

I think to some extent, the yankees have been unlucky- getting to the play offs and running into another team that got hot- and look at cleveland & colorado- a bunch of young, hungry players who want to win.

There are some great players on the yankee roster- but I don't think they have enough guys that are hungry. Plenty are clutch, but not enough are truly hungry. Blame Cashman and George for not developing enough young talent and starphuching.