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DefAndReb
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5/28/2003  9:47 AM
Martin, you who are so gracious as to bestow Insider knowledge on us, the cheapskate masses. Pray thee, an insider quote?

"Nuggets not sold on 'Melo, could trade pick"

Is that headline for real? Denver may trade it's pick? Is it possible? Or is this just a made up story?
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5/28/2003  9:50 AM
Yea, enquiring minds would like to know !!!
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5/28/2003  9:55 AM
out of respect to ESPN Insider and the rest of us paying fools, I try to only post those articles that have something remotely connected to the Knicks. Having said that...

Is Denver Melo on Anthony?

By now we know the Cavs will select LeBron James with the first pick in the NBA Draft and the Pistons will select Darko Milicic at No. 2. That means the Nuggets will select Carmelo Anthony with the third pick, right?

Umm ... let's not get ahead of ourselves. James is a godsend to Cleveland in every way imaginable. Darko eventually will give the Pistons the low-post scorer they've coveted for years. Both players are obvious fits, and both teams have been high on them for months. In other words, don't expect the Cavs or Pistons to trade these guys away, unless names like Kevin Garnett or Kobe Bryant are thrown around.

The Nuggets, on the other hand, have a mini-dilemma at No. 3. They like Carmelo. They think he's definitely the best player left on the board. It's just that he isn't James or Milicic (both are rated much higher on the draft board), and he's not an ideal fit in their system. The Nuggets already have two young small forwards for whom they have high hopes, Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Rodney White. Although Carmelo may have more upside, and certainly more star power, with so many other holes on the Nuggets, it isn't a slam dunk he'll land in Denver.

That poses an interesting dilemma for Kiki Vandeweghe & Co. Do they take Carmelo, like everyone expects, or do they listen to trade offers for him? Several teams later in the lottery are much higher on Carmelo and might be willing to offer a lottery pick and a young star in return.

Who's interested? Try just about everyone who missed out on one of the top three spots of the lottery. The Raptors, Heat, Bulls, Wizards, Grizzlies and the T-Wolves appear to be the most eager players if a Carmelo sweepstakes develops.

Could the Nuggets actually make out better by trading away the chance to land Anthony?

In most circumstances, the answer is no. The Raptors have little to offer, unless they're ready to dump Vince Carter (they aren't). The Heat are in the same position, unless they're willing to jettison Caron Butler (they aren't, either). And the T-Wolves probably would love to find a way to swap Wally Szczerbiak for Anthony, but with Szczerbiak's new extension kicking in this year, forget about it.

The Bulls, Wizards and Grizzlies, on the other hand, have some interesting assets to offer.

We start with the Bulls because frankly, they have the most ammunition. Would an offer of Jay Williams or Jamal Crawford and the No. 7 pick pique the Nuggets' interest? Denver is very high on French two guard Mickael Pietrus. In one swoop, the Nuggets could give their backcourt a major, major upgrade. If you're the Bulls, the trade makes a lot of sense. They need to thin out their backcourt, and they really need a versatile small forward.

Losing Williams or Crawford (sources say new GM John Paxson is higher on Crawford) won't be the end of the world, and there isn't another small forward available at No. 7 with nearly the upside of Carmelo. They've been drafting in the lottery for the past five years, but they've never been able to land an elite talent like Carmelo ... until now?

The Wizards don't have as much ammunition, but they do have a former No. 1 pick and the No. 10 pick in this year's lottery. If the team continues to clear house post-MJ, expect it to at least entertain the idea of trading Kwame Brown. If Brown is really as good as some people in the league think, it could be hard for Kiki to pass up the chance to grab another 7-footer and a lottery pick. Pietrus could still be on the board (though the Bulls are high on him) at No. 10. Add Gilbert Arenas to the mix, and the Nuggets are rolling again.

Jerry West has been very vocal about his feeling that Anthony, not Darko, should be the No. 2 pick. Is he willing to put his roster where his mouth is? Kiki wouldn't pass on the chance to swap the No. 3 pick for Pau Gasol. Just exactly how much does Mr. West actually like Anthony? It's food for thought.
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5/28/2003  10:09 AM
Thanks, martin, you are most generous.

Of course, I was hoping to see a mention of the Knicks, but, stupid me, we have nothing to offer in return for such a valuable young player.

Wow, looks like the Bulls are in the catbird seat if Denver wants to deal. I definitely don't see Memphis giving up Gasol.

I have this awful feeling that when the Knicks announce their starting lineup for 03-04, I'm going to get a splitting headache that won't go away for years.
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5/28/2003  10:28 AM
DEFandREB we could get the #3 pick if we give up MILOS, KT, the #9 & 31st picks. DENVER needs a PG plus they want picks !!!
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5/28/2003  10:49 AM
Posted by KARNIVORE:

DEFandREB we could get the #3 pick if we give up MILOS, KT, the #9 & 31st picks. DENVER needs a PG plus they want picks !!!

Milos, KT, #9, and #31 - hmmmmm for Carmelo Anthony? Our roster would be truly awful if this trade went down. All we would have is Spree, Anthony, and Houston. No big men (if you think Dyess is coming back think again and even if he does he isnt a center). So what do you propose they do if they trade all those assets for a player who hasnt stepped on the nba court?
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5/28/2003  10:59 AM
We would be in the LOTTERY again next year with a GREAT CHANCE of getting the #1 pick which will be OKAFOR from UCONN !!! I want us to lose so we can rebuild !!!
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5/28/2003  11:28 AM
DEFandREB we could get the #3 pick if we give up MILOS, KT, the #9 & 31st picks. DENVER needs a PG plus they want picks !!!

Would that work cap wise? Do we need to get some deadwood back? It is a bit much though. Take KT out of there and replace with Ward or Knight. Why you ask? Kiki wants more expiring contracts. That boy has a plan.
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5/28/2003  11:46 AM
In one sweeping move, Kiki brilliantly got rid of his deadwood, positioned his club under the cap and is poised to either select Carmelo or trade him to a team that has something outstanding to offer. Why the heck would he trade the rights to Carmelo Anthony for any of our aging players? We had as much a chance of landing LeBron James in the draft lottery. Fuggetaboutit!



[Edited by - Pike on 05/28/2003 11:52:27]
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5/28/2003  12:45 PM
Posted by Pike:

In one sweeping move, Kiki brilliantly got rid of his deadwood, positioned his club under the cap and is poised to either select Carmelo or trade him to a team that has something outstanding to offer. Why the heck would he trade the rights to Carmelo Anthony for any of our aging players? We had as much a chance of landing LeBron James in the draft lottery. Fuggetaboutit!



[Edited by - Pike on 05/28/2003 11:52:27]

exactly, I ran a thread on another site and caught hell, because I said denver has a plan and we should follow, i got back all types of stuff like, Denver was lucky, they had no choice to rebuild, denver sucked for many years, but the key is that was old denver management, kiki seems to be on the right track, he has no need for the knicks now
because he has already fleeced us....

What could we offer him? nothing. he has no need for spree, Houston, KT, Othella, our pick, Nothing!!! the only chip we have he may want is Milos and that alone is not enough to move up to the 3 spot.... We definately need to stop the pipe dreaming, I mean with teams like the bulls who can offer Jay williams, crawford, Chandler, Jalen rose, etc, what the hell would the nuggets want from the Bricks.. I mean knicks..
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5/28/2003  12:47 PM
Absolutely, tkf.
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5/28/2003  1:03 PM
denver got the lottery pick and camby last year. and in the process dumped a shaq-like contract with shot knees on the knicks


i don't think kiki can outdo himself again...

funny thing is he didn't even have a gun or a ski mask on...
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5/28/2003  1:07 PM
[b]funny thing is he didn't even have a gun or a ski mask on...


... he didn't have to... he was dealing with Layden.
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5/28/2003  1:31 PM
Posted by prodson:

denver got the lottery pick and camby last year. and in the process dumped a shaq-like contract with shot knees on the knicks


i don't think kiki can outdo himself again...

funny thing is he didn't even have a gun or a ski mask on...

haha prod.. If this were Jail, kiki would have layden tossing his salad... LOl!!!

That is how lopsided that deal was.....
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5/28/2003  1:33 PM
I would be happy if we took our 3 picks, drafted some young guys, like Outlaw, lang, etc. and just rolled with it. True we will be bad for a few years and maybe not as bad as we think, but I do know we will be more athletic, probably more skilled and definately more exciting to watch. I will trade that in for this dog and pony of a show we are trying to sell now!!
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5/28/2003  1:49 PM
but, tkf... we're a player from being a contender?

lol
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5/28/2003  2:07 PM
Posted by Pike:

but, tkf... we're a player from being a contender?

lol

haha..yea and the drowning man was just a few feet from the shore..
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5/28/2003  2:22 PM
That's right. We are 1 Tim Duncan away from being a contender.
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5/28/2003  2:36 PM
Posted by tkf:



haha prod.. If this were Jail, kiki would have layden tossing his salad... LOl!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. you wild.
all those years as a fan and now i'm the anti-knick. life is crazy aint it.
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5/28/2003  3:21 PM
Ya'll got to be kidding me how soon we forget that Denver can be bad for many yrs and nobody their cares , same with Clippers and a few other teams. We have to mix youth with vets , NY could never go youth exclusively to many suits paying to much money for just college players.
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