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Queeniepop
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10/14/2007  11:05 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spberger145412468oct14,0,5287867.column

Kobe would make Isiah look good in Garden
Ken Berger

October 14, 2007

GREENBURGH, N.Y.

Isiah Thomas wasn't touching Kobe Bryant questions with a 10-foot pole yesterday, which can only mean two things: He's doing everything he can to be at the front of the line when the Lakers finally trade him, and he realizes how much of a long shot Kobe in New York has become.

The latest word out of the Kobe camp, in the wake of Jerry Buss' good-riddance interview this past week, is that the Knicks are no longer on his wish list. The Bulls are (for an obvious reason that used to wear No. 23), and the Mavericks are making a strong push.

The Knicks? Kobe apparently has determined that there wouldn't be enough talent left once Isiah sent half his roster to the opposite coast, and that he has no desire to insert himself into the internal turmoil that has gripped the Garden.

Bryant's agent, Rob Pelinka, did not return a phone call yesterday to give his take on things. But remember this: Pelinka also represents former Knick Channing Frye, who has been railing about the behind-the-scenes turmoil at the Garden since he was traded to Portland for Randolph on draft night. If Frye has been that open publicly, imagine what he's told Pelinka.

In any event, Thomas instructed me to direct any more Kobe questions to Dr. Buss, saying, "I definitely don't and won't speak for him." Thomas speaks for himself and for the Knicks, something you can bet he'll be doing in Kobe's general direction for the next few months.

It'll be a tough sell. But at least Thomas can take solace in the fact that the Bryant camp agrees with the following notion: The best way for Isiah to stabilize his own situation, and that of the formerly storied franchise that inhabits the Garden, would be to persuade No. 24 to join him.
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10/14/2007  11:09 AM
If Kobe doesn't like it in LA, he'll really hate it here. Dallas would be the perfect place for him.
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10/14/2007  11:28 AM
A lot of people on this board who think Isiah snake job can be negated by his drafting success are really underestimating the deep damage he did to Knicks organization.
MSG degrades to bbal doghouse from being the Mecca of basketball.
Knicks are not a desired destination for big time players, coaches, and GM's any more. And this is the sad reality.
Yes Dolan can buy some other guy’s time (like he did with LB). But nobody can do a great job just for being paid without passion, dedication, and good work environment.
Too much to repair and we are not yet in the mode of removing the poison...

[Edited by - arkrud on 10-14-2007 11:29 AM]
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10/14/2007  11:46 AM
I think everyone pretty much agrees that IT has to make the Knicks at playoff team this year or this is it. He has made too many bad decisions and brought too much turmoil to the franchise for us to keep him if he does not make it to the playoffs. That being said, winning solves alot of problems. This team comes out of the gate fast and starts winning at over a .500 rate, then this team and these players will start to look alot more attractive to the fans and other GMs. If that happens, Kobe might be a little more willing to come to New York.
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10/14/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by TheGame:

I think everyone pretty much agrees that IT has to make the Knicks at playoff team this year or this is it. He has made too many bad decisions and brought too much turmoil to the franchise for us to keep him if he does not make it to the playoffs. That being said, winning solves alot of problems. This team comes out of the gate fast and starts winning at over a .500 rate, then this team and these players will start to look alot more attractive to the fans and other GMs. If that happens, Kobe might be a little more willing to come to New York.

Truer words have never been spoken! It's all about the wins. I think this team needs to hunker down and get it done in the month of Nov. That will set this team up for success this year. Nov. killed us the last 2 years. So a good Nov. would go a long way toward building confidence in what this team can accomplish this year.
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10/14/2007  12:05 PM
I find it funny that a guy who has been involved in rape allegations himself will complain about the turmoil in NY after he is creating a shytstorm in LA..

Who cares what channing frye says.. the guy needs to shut up, get tough and play ball...

Good, now we can forget kobe and move on..
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/14/2007  12:05 PM
Posted by arkrud:

A lot of people on this board who think Isiah snake job can be negated by his drafting success are really underestimating the deep damage he did to Knicks organization.
MSG degrades to bbal doghouse from being the Mecca of basketball.
Knicks are not a desired destination for big time players, coaches, and GM's any more. And this is the sad reality.
Yes Dolan can buy some other guy’s time (like he did with LB). But nobody can do a great job just for being paid without passion, dedication, and good work environment.
Too much to repair and we are not yet in the mode of removing the poison...

[Edited by - arkrud on 10-14-2007 11:29 AM]

Very, very good statement. Now you guys can see the damage that the Anucha case did to this orgainzation and this is the very reason why Dolan and Isiah need to go! As long as they are running the show here, we will be mediocre at best, always controversial and have nothing to do with winning for it all. The timing of Kobe's statement couldn't be more perfect. Right after Isiah's conviction. Nobody wants to work in an hostile environment. I think statement of about half the Knicks roster being given over to L.A. is another way of saying, I don't want to work for this kind of organization. You have to remember, Kobe had that case against him a few years back and he does not want any of that kind of stuff around him anymore. Too bad, so sad. And that's about it for the push for Kobe. I won't be looking foreward to a chance anymore. I hope you Isiah believers can see the damage and I hope you start to questions what's more important for the Knicks orgainzation. We need good people inside and we need to bring success back to the Knicks. We have no respect. We are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NBA. This is not the way to do it.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2007  12:09 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TheGame:

I think everyone pretty much agrees that IT has to make the Knicks at playoff team this year or this is it. He has made too many bad decisions and brought too much turmoil to the franchise for us to keep him if he does not make it to the playoffs. That being said, winning solves alot of problems. This team comes out of the gate fast and starts winning at over a .500 rate, then this team and these players will start to look alot more attractive to the fans and other GMs. If that happens, Kobe might be a little more willing to come to New York.

Truer words have never been spoken! It's all about the wins. I think this team needs to hunker down and get it done in the month of Nov. That will set this team up for success this year. Nov. killed us the last 2 years. So a good Nov. would go a long way toward building confidence in what this team can accomplish this year.

Oh' yes! Truer words have' been spoken and he uses the word 'IF"! I heard that one before. Try this one on for size: 'Action Speaks Louder Than Words'! I been hearing great words for 10 years and nothing but dissapointment.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2007  12:11 PM
Posted by arkrud:

A lot of people on this board who think Isiah snake job can be negated by his drafting success are really underestimating the deep damage he did to Knicks organization.
MSG degrades to bbal doghouse from being the Mecca of basketball.
Knicks are not a desired destination for big time players, coaches, and GM's any more. And this is the sad reality.
Yes Dolan can buy some other guy’s time (like he did with LB). But nobody can do a great job just for being paid without passion, dedication, and good work environment.
Too much to repair and we are not yet in the mode of removing the poison...

[Edited by - arkrud on 10-14-2007 11:29 AM]


This is BS you are spewing Isiah has made the Knicks a place to be. Players want to come here. He has done well with the draft and building up the Knicks with talent. Kobe doesn't want to come here that is his wish. He think the Knicks will be deviod of talent if were to come to the Knicks well if he goes to the Bulls they will put basically a talentless team around him. Isiah got caught with a bad situation with a sex harrasment case when that happened even if he was found innocent in some peoples eyes he would have been guilty. People need to understand that the trial system is very flawed and even you can get caught in a situation where you have to prove your innocence when you did nothing wrong. Anyone can bring charges on someone anytime. People need to stop judging Isiah and the SH case and move on.
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10/14/2007  12:26 PM
Why are guys like you always trying to prove others innocence? Isiah & Dolan suck' plain and simple and no superstar wants to come here. That's the point.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2007  12:42 PM
Posted by 4949:

Why are guys like you always trying to prove others innocence? Isiah & Dolan suck' plain and simple and no superstar wants to come here. That's the point.

I'm not proving anyones innocence, What I have done is moved on and started to think Basketball. This is more the writers speculation that Kobe doesn't want to come here because of the turmoil at MSG. Superstars want to come here, its just that teams are unwilling to deal their superstars last I looked KG deal was the only block buster deal and it had nothing to do with a superstar wanting to come to NY it had to do with a deal done with friends. And Kobe is still in LA he isn't going anywhere soon. He isn't in Chicago and he isn't in Dallas. There is still a lot of time for Isiah to make something happen. Jermaine O'Neal was open to come to NY.
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10/14/2007  12:48 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by 4949:

Why are guys like you always trying to prove others innocence? Isiah & Dolan suck' plain and simple and no superstar wants to come here. That's the point.

I'm not proving anyones innocence, What I have done is moved on and started to think Basketball. This is more the writers speculation that Kobe doesn't want to come here because of the turmoil at MSG. Superstars want to come here, its just that teams are unwilling to deal their superstars last I looked KG deal was the only block buster deal and it had nothing to do with a superstar wanting to come to NY it had to do with a deal done with friends. And Kobe is still in LA he isn't going anywhere soon. He isn't in Chicago and he isn't in Dallas. There is still a lot of time for Isiah to make something happen. Jermaine O'Neal was open to come to NY.

which nba player has taken less than market value to come here? it's always about the money.

how did isiah attract jamal and eddy here? by giving them more money (actually way more money) than anybody else was offering. jeffries? giving him an absurd deal that the wiz weren't going to match? jerome, etc. this is the same situation as layden and many gm's around the league. it's always about money.

finley? after he got cut played for the minimum with the spurs. so you can say finley wanted to play for them.
same goes for webber. posey. etc. only a handful of examples.

but everyone else? show me the money.
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10/14/2007  12:49 PM
the question that needs to be asked is if the players on this team really want to be a knick, really want to play in new york, or either like isiah or like the money isiah gave them.
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10/14/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by 4949:

Why are guys like you always trying to prove others innocence? Isiah & Dolan suck' plain and simple and no superstar wants to come here. That's the point.

I'm not proving anyones innocence, What I have done is moved on and started to think Basketball. This is more the writers speculation that Kobe doesn't want to come here because of the turmoil at MSG. Superstars want to come here, its just that teams are unwilling to deal their superstars last I looked KG deal was the only block buster deal and it had nothing to do with a superstar wanting to come to NY it had to do with a deal done with friends. And Kobe is still in LA he isn't going anywhere soon. He isn't in Chicago and he isn't in Dallas. There is still a lot of time for Isiah to make something happen. Jermaine O'Neal was open to come to NY.

Your talking about hope. I'm talking about reality of what is! Right now! Don't you find it strange that NYC Knickerbockers have not had a true superstar since the days of Ewing's strongerst years, ever since Dolan took over? It was always because we didn't have the money and now it has everything to do with what's been going on behind closed doors at MSG. DON'T FOOL YOURSELF DUDE! That is definately the reason. I don't blame Kobe for not wanting to come to the Knicks now. Especially since his rape case, in which we all very well know was dismissed. You have to go with what the courts say. It's done, but he doesn't want to be here because of what's been going on. It's a no brainer! What else could it be. I heard him say it and I read it with my own two eyes and ears that he would like to play in NY and now' suddenly' he changes his mind? Why? Why all the sudden? I don't want your own personal view of why' that is. I want facts and the only fact sticking out at this point is what is coinciding at this time. Isiah's conviction and suddenly Kobe's backing off. That's fact. Especially with what Kobe has said on several occasions regarding playing in NY.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2007  1:01 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by 4949:

Why are guys like you always trying to prove others innocence? Isiah & Dolan suck' plain and simple and no superstar wants to come here. That's the point.

I'm not proving anyones innocence, What I have done is moved on and started to think Basketball. This is more the writers speculation that Kobe doesn't want to come here because of the turmoil at MSG. Superstars want to come here, its just that teams are unwilling to deal their superstars last I looked KG deal was the only block buster deal and it had nothing to do with a superstar wanting to come to NY it had to do with a deal done with friends. And Kobe is still in LA he isn't going anywhere soon. He isn't in Chicago and he isn't in Dallas. There is still a lot of time for Isiah to make something happen. Jermaine O'Neal was open to come to NY.

The only reason why anyone would want to come to the Garden now is because Dolan overpays them. As for Isiah trying to trade for Kobe, good luck with that. The Lakers have no use for Chubby, Crawful, Zach and the rest of the ROLE players Isiah has to offer.

As for the KG trade, do we have anyone like Al Jefferson? Uh no. Also we did not have any large expiring contracts which would get Minny under the cap next season like Boston had with Ratliff.
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10/14/2007  1:08 PM
Let me be clear of what a true superstar is:

Kareem Abdul Jabaar
Magic Johnson
Dr. J
Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Isiah Thomas
Allan Iverson
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Shaq O'Neal
LeBron James
Dwayne Wade
and a couple dozen others.

Men who have proven that they can lead a team to championships.

Guys like Allan Houston, Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, suckbury, punk ass nate or any of these other guys we have on this team couldn't lead a horse to water. Face it, we have no star!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2007  1:10 PM
even more reason to replace the current upper management w/those who will bring some respectability & professionalism back to this organization... but that process can't possibly begin as long as a moron like Dolan is in charge of this franchise.
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10/14/2007  1:32 PM
Posted by tkf:

I find it funny that a guy who has been involved in rape allegations himself will complain about the turmoil in NY after he is creating a shytstorm in LA..

Who cares what channing frye says.. the guy needs to shut up, get tough and play ball...

Good, now we can forget kobe and move on..


Which is double whammy as to why you wanted him here in the first place. TKF he represents everything that's wrong about the league, his physical talents and abilities don't excuse those. He's crap character, and a terrible leader. Who cares about his 81pts and sick dunks let him rot in L.A. or go destroy another franchise. And as I said during the summer we don't have good enough Trash A.K.A. Scrubs to give up to get him. There's about 30 different players in this league I'd rather have than BLOWBE CRYANT!


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-14-2007 12:34 PM]
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10/14/2007  2:01 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:

I find it funny that a guy who has been involved in rape allegations himself will complain about the turmoil in NY after he is creating a shytstorm in LA..

Who cares what channing frye says.. the guy needs to shut up, get tough and play ball...

Good, now we can forget kobe and move on..


Which is double whammy as to why you wanted him here in the first place. TKF he represents everything that's wrong about the league, his physical talents and abilities don't excuse those. He's crap character, and a terrible leader. Who cares about his 81pts and sick dunks let him rot in L.A. or go destroy another franchise. And as I said during the summer we don't have good enough Trash A.K.A. Scrubs to give up to get him. There's about 30 different players in this league I'd rather have than BLOWBE CRYANT!


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-14-2007 12:34 PM]

I think you have it a little backwards there. Dolan & Isiah are destroying this' franchise. And it's a joke that you wouldn't want his 81 pts sick dunks. You'd be smoocing all over it if he was here. Granted, if I we could get LeBron or Carmelo, only then would I consider passing on Kobe. We'd not only get superstar tallent to build around, but one that doesn't carry baggage. Besides, Lebrons loves the Yankees. It would be perfect!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2007  2:03 PM
i hope kobe is using the calculator on his cell. y'all forgot the deal nike suggested if kobe hit the ny market....cha-ching $$$

"Like they always say, New York is the Mecca of basketball,"I read that in Michael Jordan books my whole life and I played here in the Big East tournament, so it's always fun to play in the Mecca of basketball."---Rip Hamilton
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