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10/10/2007  1:49 AM
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I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/10/2007  4:57 AM
Lost his Marbles
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10/10/2007  7:11 AM
1. Has Stephon Marbury lost his mind?

As much as any team in the East, the dysfunctional New York Knicks need a point guard to run this strange brew of talent and malcontents. For Marbury's recent proclamations of a religious awakening over the summer, his behavior in that late night New York television interview, his flippant attitude toward humiliating personal testimony at the Isiah Thomas trial and his absurd defense of Michael Vick offer windows into an increasingly unstable act.

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These days, Marbury sounds more enthusiastic about finishing his career in Italy than playing out the last two seasons of his bloated Knicks contract. If he has found that peace in his life, well, good for him. With Marbury, though, it's no longer about telling us, but showing us. Every year he talks about some kind of an epiphany – professional or personal – and it isn't long until he's playing the fool again. In so many ways, Marbury is the quintessential extension of Madison Square Garden's corporate chaos playing out on the basketball court.

What an accurate and sad description
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10/10/2007  7:54 AM
Nothing new here. Same spin on old stories.
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10/10/2007  9:53 AM
Marbury's Vick comments are not being accurately portrayed here at all, and not shockingly are being used by a white sports writer as a means of making his case that Marbury "lost his mind" which therefore implies that anyone who has made points to counter the vilification of Vick to have also "lost their mind."
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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10/10/2007  10:00 AM
Posted by lovespree:

Nothing new here. Same spin on old stories.

And no new stories to come...
People never change. Our opinions do.
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10/10/2007  10:02 AM
this 4949 authored thread is a prime example of a a totally wack, outdated and amateurish headline



[Edited by - misterearl on 10-10-2007 10:51 AM]
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10/10/2007  10:53 AM
Just another cheap shot by someone in the media.
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10/10/2007  11:32 AM
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[Edited by - arkrud on 10-10-2007 11:32 AM]
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10/10/2007  11:33 AM
The unbeliveable hate for Marbury continues...............
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10/10/2007  12:14 PM
Might be old news, but you can't blame the media for this one. Marbury has proven to be a psycho who needs to be sent to the funny farm for quite a while.
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10/10/2007  12:19 PM
Psycho?

Really?
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10/10/2007  12:21 PM
Psycho

Lupica Jan 25, 2004:
"[Stephon Marbury] is the one who has gotten Knick fans excited again. He is the one whose style of play has made people want to watch the Knicks again, win or lose. Marbury is the one who has made Knick fans not only believe that their team can make a run at the playoffs, but some kind of miracle run at the Tri-State Nets for first place in the Atlantic Division.

It is like that with Marbury now. He is hope. He is that kind of stick in the middle of the Knicks' offense, whether he is making a crazy shot against the Hawks, or making another pass. You hear from all these people around the league who want [Isiah Thomas] to be wrong about Marbury, who show you how little playoff success Marbury has had in the pros. They are the ones who will end up being wrong. Marbury will be sensational here."
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10/10/2007  12:21 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by lovespree:

Nothing new here. Same spin on old stories.

And no new stories to come...
People never change. Our opinions do.


I can't tell if your joking or not. If not, people absolutely do change. It's usually the other way around. Our opinons of people ususallyl don't change. A lot of times once a person has made a determination about the type of person they think you are their usually isn't a lot that will change their minds. Marbury is a perfect example. People can't see pass those things that he does or says that they belive are negative to see anything positive that he does or says. Most on this board that don't like him could care less if he says or does anything positive. Becuase they don't like him, they'll find a way to put a negative spin on it.
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10/10/2007  12:24 PM
Posted by Solace:

Might be old news, but you can't blame the media for this one. Marbury has proven to be a psycho who needs to be sent to the funny farm for quite a while.
You really would be shocked to get to know a lot of athletes. We haven't really gotten to see much of Steph's personality over the years. Just a few bad moments is all that people have pointed to. The "all alone" thing. The "I FEEL that i'm the best PG in the NBA comment, which he was baited into making and then restating by the media, who kept throwing Kidd in his face. Now this year he's been much more outgoing and vocal than he's ever been. He's been hawking his product which is nothing new, but since he's on this religious kick, that added a new dimension to his actions and he seems strange. This kind of behavior is not unusual for people who get involved in very enigmatic religions. They encourage outward expressions and in a person like Steph who has a bad time with expressing himself, it comes across as crazy.

All that matters is what he does on the court this year. I don't care about his personal life. That won't stop the media from trying to get him to say something crazy. That's what they do when they sense someone can be goaded into saying or doing something outrageous.
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10/10/2007  12:36 PM
Posted by lovespree:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by lovespree:

Nothing new here. Same spin on old stories.

And no new stories to come...
People never change. Our opinions do.


I can't tell if your joking or not. If not, people absolutely do change. It's usually the other way around. Our opinons of people ususallyl don't change. A lot of times once a person has made a determination about the type of person they think you are their usually isn't a lot that will change their minds. Marbury is a perfect example. People can't see pass those things that he does or says that they belive are negative to see anything positive that he does or says. Most on this board that don't like him could care less if he says or does anything positive. Becuase they don't like him, they'll find a way to put a negative spin on it.

My opinion on Steph changed from viewing him as exiting player to go all the way to selfish clown. At the same time I respect his charitable moves regardless of what was driving them.
He never changed mentally from the day he joined the Knicks and people rarely do after 20th. They can however change their behavior to hide their true unchanged personality. His body is on decline but mind is same.

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10/10/2007  12:38 PM
Posted by Solace:

Might be old news, but you can't blame the media for this one. Marbury has proven to be a psycho who needs to be sent to the funny farm for quite a while.

It's too much. He is not dangerous... may be for interns...
He is funny - so let him shine.
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10/10/2007  12:39 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Psycho?

Really?

You're surprised someone would call him a psycho?

Really?
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10/10/2007  2:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:


The "all alone" thing. The "I FEEL that i'm the best PG in the NBA comment, which he was baited into making and then restating by the media, who kept throwing Kidd in his face.


You engage in a lot of self deception regarding Marbury. I remember having to correct your adamant exhortations that Marbury never had issues with teammates, GMs or coaches before here. I can pull up the old thread if you'd like.

Now here you deceive yourself about the "normalcy" of these other proclamations of his. Marbury wasn't baited into anything, before the January 1st 2004 Nest a game he was asked by a TV reporter something along the lines of "Now that your with the knicks and Kidd is with the Nets, who's the best PG in the Metro area." A question Kidd surely had been asked as well, without yielding such a hyperbolic answer.

IMO, Steph's best response would have been humility, but barring that, had he just answered something short like, "Me!" with a charasmatic smile the media wouldn't have blinked. Instead he went off an a two day mediathon. Below are quotes combined from his two days of answering a routine question.

"Don't get me wrong -- I love Jason Kidd. He's a great point guard," Marbury said. "(But) how am I comparing myself to him when I think I'm the best point guard to play basketball? That doesn't make any sense. I mean, how can I sit here and compare myself to somebody if I already think I'm the best?

"I'm telling you what it is: I know I'm the best point guard in the NBA. I don't need anybody else to tell me that. When I go on the basketball court, if I think about what you're all saying, I'll lose my mind."

"He's just like me," Marbury said of Kidd at yesterday's morning shootaround before the Nets beat the Knicks, 93-87. "He's a loser. We're both losers. Neither of us have won a championship. Tim Duncan is a winner. Kevin Garnett is a loser just like me. Charles Barkley is a loser just like me. [TNT partner] Kenny Smith is a winner.

"Magic [Johnson], Michael Jordan, [Larry] Bird, those guys are winners. Kobe [Bryant] and Shaquille [O'Neal] are winners. Isiah Thomas is a winner. Until you win championships, we're just like everyone else. It doesn't matter how far you get in the playoffs. It doesn't matter if you get to the Finals. You lost."

Marbury didn't back down from his New Year's boast that he considers himself the "best point guard in basketball."

"I'm just saying reality and answered a question," Marbury said. "I already know I'm the best point guard. It's like asking if it's raining outside. You're going to tell them it's raining."


The man clearly went far and beyond saying he "feels" he's the best.

Now why was this ever important to me? Shortly after those quotes Scalabrini from the Nets was aksed about them. Might have even been right after the game, which the Knicks lost. I think his insightful response is most telling:


WFAN interview:

Carlin: A couple of weeks ago Stephon Marbury makes the comment that he feels like he's the best point guard in the league. When the Nets hear something like that, and you have Jason Kidd on the team, are their any raised eyebrows going around?

Scalabrine: [i]OK here's the difference. When Steph makes that comment, I dont know, I mean I'm not in the locker room, but I don't know if the Knicks have his back. But when Steph makes that comment about Jason, we were like "we are not losing this game against the Knicks, we can't let this happen." We have Jason's back and Jason has our back. [/b]And I think you know Steph is a very good player, you know he's very talented. But you know I'd run through a wall for Jason and Jason would run through a wall for us. That pretty much shows that he's the best point guard. When you have a guy like that and you'll do anything for him and he'll do anything for you that pretty much sums up the best point guard ever.


Up until those comments the Knicks had a .500 record and were in the midst of a 3 game win streak. Those comments commenced a 2-16 plummet, the worst in franchise history. Probably because, unlike Kidd in NJ, Marbury's teammates decidedly did NOT have his back.

Obviously those comments alone were not enough to knock the knees out from under the team, they were simply the straw of discontent that broke the team's back.

Marbury has been poisonous to all his teams and those with connections to basketball, like many in the media, know this all too well. You, though, never will.
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10/10/2007  2:36 PM
Personally I want marbs to speak more. This recent silence is very troubling to me.
I just hope that people will like me
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