Posted by arkrud:

I am asking this again as I NEVER get the answer straight:
WHY YOU PEOPLE LIKE ISIAH SO MUCH?
What the guy did to have any love from NY fans?

It is cool that he drafted Lee and Balk because they are nice guys and hard working players.
But I guess it is more of their personal skills which showed up later.
They are not exceptional talents by any mean.
What else... hmmm... not much...

So. Why IT is good for the Knicks?

I don't like Isiah as an individual, since I really don't know him. As the GM and Coach of the team I don't believe he's done as bad as some make it seem. Yeah the team has lost a lot, but then when he took over losing for a few years was expected. Fans seem to hold it against him that he's talked up the teams chances and that's fair, but what else did they expect him to do? He's got tickets to sell. Some hold it against him that he didn't try to do a traditional rebuild. They believe it would've yielded better results. They ignore the fact that with H2O and KT still under contract there's no way Dolan was gonna go for that.

Now we've had 3 full seasons since he took over and from what I can see, he's improved the team. The record hasn't changed, but in my mind that is due to change. I thought that we would've shown more improvement last year if not for the freak injuries. If some wanted a rebuild then it's likely it would take this long for this team to be in position to win anyway. So I fail to see the huge problem with that. No one can guarantee that a rebuild would've insured a title contendor or a Superstar Franchise player. The only thing that you're assured of is a chance that it might happen, but since it's a lottery there's no guarantee. For example since he's taken over we've really only had one shot at that kind of player and that was this last draft.

The other thing people hold against Isiah is the off the court stuff. The firing of coaches, the drama of LB and now this trial. He is rightfullly to blame for much of that. I contend that if he wins this case and the team wins this year, none of this will matter.

I think you understated the good things he's done with this team. You mention Lee and Balk as if they're the only good players he's brought in. That's not being fair. I think this team has a lot of good players and we'll see how they work out from here on. The team has youth on it's side, so in that sense he's also done a good job.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Who cares about Isiah? I root for him because he is on the Knicks. I wont root for him when he isn't. Fair?

That's fine, but not indicative of most of the Isiah supporters. The reasons why many fans like Isiah and make excuses for his poor performance in many areas... well, you can judge for yourself. I just know that his predecessors have not gotten even close to as much leeway (hell, we should say blind support) as Isiah has. I think people can judge the reasons for that themselves, and I think the reasons are fairly straightforward.

leeway?

Solace - check the list and get back to me

please check Red Holzman's first won-loss records while you're at it

Posted by misterearl:

I like Isiah the same way I "liked" Al Bianchi and John McLeod

Paul Westhead and Stu Jackson

Bob Hill and Hubie Brown

the same way I would 'like' Ron Artest is his crazy azz donned orange and blue

According to you anything (and I mean anything) associated with Knicks is good.
If we will happened to draft serial killer or dog killer (we used to have one) should we support thus guy too?
"Orange and blue serial killer. Go Knicks!!!"
MSG can hire the worst coaches, dreadful players, and guys like Marbs relatives. And than we had to love them.
This is sick man.

Sicko

"anything (and I mean anything) associated with Knicks is good"

Solace - you funny.

Last I checked, there were no killers, (serial, cereal, dog, cat, frog or stone) involved with the Knicks

I'm laughing reading the comments because when Channing was on the team(you know when he was a Knick) as soon as people found out he liked Snickerdoodle Cookies you saw trade proposals fly through the roof. Here's the real deal...



It's so interesting to hear comments from certain fans how they are tired of the Dolan, I SAY UGH, Marbury, bashing and they don't care blah blah but were sick and tired of LB after half a season and wanted him gone A.S.A.P. Let's face it, the only reason fans have this punk I don't care attitude because they know Dolan is the owner and his cronies aren't going anywhere anytime soon. SO basically we're pimped out as fans to like them and accept what they do. And you know what Dolan knows this also, so he CHITS on your pride as a fan and some sit back and take it without any complaining and some even turned to supporting him.


I remember he said a couple months before the season ended "New York Fans Are Smart and He Can't Fool Them." But in all honesty he has, he's done it better than any other owner in history. As far as I'm concerned season ticket holders need to not renew their packages, other fans need to stay at home and watch the games, instead of attending the Garden to watch one of the poorest products in all of sports. Stop buying the jerseys, shoes... STARBURIES, BENBURIES, etc etc. Can you imagine how many endless jokes we'd read on this board if the Boston Celtics had the same ongoings the past 5yrs? But since it's our beloved Knicks we try our best to Silverline, ESCAPEGOAT, Condone, Apologize, Beg Off all the negativity that pops up on a daily basis. It's kind of like the Portland Jailblazers of about 5yrs ago, their fans said enough is enough and stopped supporting the team. GM's were fired, malcontent, cancerous players were traded. How many jokes on this board did Knick fans make on that team? Paul Allen I believe was going to put the franchise up for sale at least on one occasion during that tulmultuos time.


The problem at this point whether we can digest this or not has trickled down to us. We are becoming part of the problem. Stop supporting this bullchit in the manner we are.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Who cares about Isiah? I root for him because he is on the Knicks. I wont root for him when he isn't. Fair?

That's fine, but not indicative of most of the Isiah supporters. The reasons why many fans like Isiah and make excuses for his poor performance in many areas... well, you can judge for yourself. I just know that his predecessors have not gotten even close to as much leeway (hell, we should say blind support) as Isiah has. I think people can judge the reasons for that themselves, and I think the reasons are fairly straightforward.

I'm not sure which predecessors you thought should have gotten more leeway than was afforded them...Layden got what he deseved because he was just terrible as a GM and no one can argue that...Grunfeld was the best GM the Knicks has had in the last 30 years before Van Gundy/Checketts ran him off..I support Isiah/Marbury/Frye solely because they are/were NY Knickerbockers, period!!!..I would like to think the everyone in the organization gets a fair chance to do the job they were hired to do...When Marbs and Isiah time if up here, you won't see me shed a tear...I supported Fyre last year and wishes him well in his career but could care less how he develops as a player because he is no longer a Knickerbocker...

So for me, I like?/support Isiah because he runs the organization I want the win the most in the sporting world...On sundays, I also root for the Giants/Coughlin although he may be the worst coach in the league much like I supported/rooted for Ray Handley, Jim Fassel and Dan Reeves..Now, I could care less what those former coaches are doing with their lives but I do wish them well...So, for now, I like Isiah...



[Edited by - holfresh on 09-24-2007 3:52 PM]

"The reasons why many fans like Isiah and make excuses for his poor performance in many areas... well, you can judge for yourself. I just know that his predecessors have not gotten even close to as much leeway (hell, we should say blind support) as Isiah has. " - Solace

holfresh - thank you for the recent history. My reason in bringing up Holzman is that people foeget the struggles of his early years.

Last I checked, no excuses were being offered for what the angry Solace decsribes as "poor performance". What has been offered is the concept of patience to allow this very young batch of Knicks to cohere.

If the Knicks don't make it past the first round of the NBA Playoffs Isiah is probably toast.

i really don't see a problem in watching how the season plays out.

something tells me that Solace, in his/her frustrated anger and rage against all things that he/she cannot agree with or consider from an alternate perspective, will also be watching.

I wise man once said, "don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player!"

Hold up, I almost forgot - Go Knicks!