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arkrud
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9/12/2007  10:10 AM
She also said Thomas rebuffed her March 2004 request that he sign renewal-request letters sent out to past season ticket holders with a pointed shot at loyal Knick fans.
"Bitch, I don't give a f--k about these white people," Browne Sanders said Thomas told her.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2007/09/12/2007-09-12_brownesanders_slams_isiah_thomas_in_sexh.html
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9/12/2007  10:14 AM
Star Knick guard Stephon Marbury is expected to take the stand today. Browne Sanders said Marbury became agitated after she told him she'd have to ask Thomas if it was okay to give game credentials to Marbury's cousins.


That should be good....

[Edited by - BasketballJones on 09-12-2007 10:15]
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9/12/2007  10:17 AM
Tupac, is that you?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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9/12/2007  10:18 AM
This is soo pathetic that can make history.
MSG is such a pile of s..t... No suprise all decent people try to stay away.
It stinks so much!!!
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9/12/2007  10:33 AM
Will we ask for him to be fired even if he gets this team to start winning? I think we'll forget about what a douchebag he is.
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9/12/2007  10:44 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Will we ask for him to be fired even if he gets this team to start winning? I think we'll forget about what a douchebag he is.

He already lost his game in NY... Period.
Ant it is nothing to do with winning or losing on the bbal court.
Dolan is moron but looks like he find a way to put Isiah down the worst possible way.


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9/12/2007  11:10 AM
I'm not going to assume Isiah didn't say that, but is there reason one should assume what Brown Sanders says is any more or less true?

And if Isiah did say this, I believe that the seeming lack of understanding about some key ways that race still plays a powerful role in society (including with us) by more than a few posters here in multiple discussions that have taken place on this forum is a factor in formulating attitudes about the alleged comment.

If one does not fully grasp this then studies show that experiencing things such as anger and resentment towards white people from people of color, no matter what kind of "power" that individual or group may seem to have currently, is going to make (mostly) whites more upset.

This does not necessarily "excuse" such behavior, but any progress in changing this cycle seems more likely to occur if we as whites take these kinds of comments less personally, and more in the context of race and power in current society.
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9/12/2007  11:12 AM
By late 2004, Browne Sanders said, Thomas had warmed to her after a game of horse at a December holiday party. Thomas beat the former Northwestern hoops star in the popular playground game, and the two slapped hands afterward.

"I figured it out when we played horse," she said Thomas told her after a 2004 Knicks victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves. "I'm in love with you. It's like the movie 'Love and Basketball.'"

it's no biggie. basketball gets him hot. i'm the same way.
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9/12/2007  11:25 AM
Posted by PresIke:

I'm not going to assume Isiah didn't say that, but is there reason one should assume what Brown Sanders says is any more or less true?

And if Isiah did say this, I believe that the seeming lack of understanding about some key ways that race still plays a powerful role in society (including with us) by more than a few posters here in multiple discussions that have taken place on this forum is a factor in formulating attitudes about the alleged comment.

If one does not fully grasp this then studies show that experiencing things such as anger and resentment towards white people from people of color, no matter what kind of "power" that individual or group may seem to have currently, is going to make (mostly) whites more upset.

This does not necessarily "excuse" such behavior, but any progress in changing this cycle seems more likely to occur if we as whites take these kinds of comments less personally, and more in the context of race and power in current society.

It is no difference in blacks cursing whites or whites cursing blacks. Racism is racism. People are racist regardless the color of their skin. This is the color or the soul. And it is not acceptable regardless.
It is bad when this stuff is coming up inside family or close group of simple people but it is very bad when people on big public display are acting this way. This people must be punished publicly to make a point that the society is not accepting racism in any form. No exceptions.




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9/12/2007  11:27 AM
Posted by PresIke:

I'm not going to assume Isiah didn't say that, but is there reason one should assume what Brown Sanders says is any more or less true?

And if Isiah did say this, I believe that the seeming lack of understanding about some key ways that race still plays a powerful role in society (including with us) by more than a few posters here in multiple discussions that have taken place on this forum is a factor in formulating attitudes about the alleged comment.

If one does not fully grasp this then studies show that experiencing things such as anger and resentment towards white people from people of color, no matter what kind of "power" that individual or group may seem to have currently, is going to make (mostly) whites more upset.

This does not necessarily "excuse" such behavior, but any progress in changing this cycle seems more likely to occur if we as whites take these kinds of comments less personally, and more in the context of race and power in current society.

we all have biases and prejudices about different races. and anybody that denies that is lying to themselves. it's the society we were raised in, the portrayals of race in media growing up, and things told to us by people that influence our upbringing. everyone has these biases.

isiah is no different...BUT you do not say stuff like that in a work atmosphere. i don't know if he did BUT there were articles and reports from former CBA owners that said isiah acted the same way in their meetings and said things in a hostile manner.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-12-2007 11:30 AM]
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9/12/2007  11:29 AM
and the unfortunate thing is despite whether what isiah thomas said was true or not - the garden, it's marketing, pr, season ticket sales staff, phone attendants, etc all have to feel the brunt of fans thinking that he DID say those things.
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9/12/2007  11:35 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by PresIke:

I'm not going to assume Isiah didn't say that, but is there reason one should assume what Brown Sanders says is any more or less true?

And if Isiah did say this, I believe that the seeming lack of understanding about some key ways that race still plays a powerful role in society (including with us) by more than a few posters here in multiple discussions that have taken place on this forum is a factor in formulating attitudes about the alleged comment.

If one does not fully grasp this then studies show that experiencing things such as anger and resentment towards white people from people of color, no matter what kind of "power" that individual or group may seem to have currently, is going to make (mostly) whites more upset.

This does not necessarily "excuse" such behavior, but any progress in changing this cycle seems more likely to occur if we as whites take these kinds of comments less personally, and more in the context of race and power in current society.

we all have biases and prejudices about different races. and anybody that denies that is lying to themselves. it's the society we were raised in, the portrayals of race in media growing up, and things told to us by people that influence our upbringing. everyone has these biases.

isiah is no different...BUT you do not say stuff like that in a work atmosphere. i don't know if he did BUT there were articles and reports from former CBA owners that said isiah acted the same way in their meetings and said things in a hostile manner.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-12-2007 11:30 AM]

Racism and bias is prevalent IN EVERY SOCIETY on the planet. On every continent, in every city, in every town and in every family. It is not something that has come about because of our television and the way our society functions. The particular types of racisms are products of our society, but the fact that racism exists is not.
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9/12/2007  11:37 AM
Yup, since the beginning of time.

This is officially brought public, Isiah is screwed, whether he said it or not.

Dolan might have no choice BUT to fire him.
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9/12/2007  11:39 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

and the unfortunate thing is despite whether what isiah thomas said was true or not - the garden, it's marketing, pr, season ticket sales staff, phone attendants, etc all have to feel the brunt of fans thinking that he DID say those things.

I'm with you, whether he said these things or not, Isiah will be treated as if he did. It's a shame if she was lying. I find myself in situations like this almost hoping that the allegations are true so that an innocent person doesn't have to suffer through false allegations. In this case at some point Isiah is going to come back with his side of the story and it will make Anucha sound horrible. Then at that point I will be hoping that what Isiah says is true so that she doesn't get the same treatment. These things never turn out well for the liar or the one telling the truth.
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9/12/2007  11:39 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yup, since the beginning of time.

This is officially brought public, Isiah is screwed, whether he said it or not.

Dolan might have no choice BUT to fire him.

nope. they'll admit to absolutely nothing, pay her off and life goes on.
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9/12/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yup, since the beginning of time.

This is officially brought public, Isiah is screwed, whether he said it or not.

Dolan might have no choice BUT to fire him.

nope. they'll admit to absolutely nothing, pay her off and life goes on.

Probably they will...
But can they pay off the public opinion?
Can they pay off to the Knick fans? And will they?
Probably not.



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9/12/2007  12:09 PM
Anybody want to go to the trial with me later?

I want to catch Starbury's testimony. I gotta see that in person.
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9/12/2007  12:15 PM
Why would you assume that statement from the Anucha camp is true? Isiah denies it and I believe in innocent until proven guilty
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9/12/2007  12:16 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Why would you assume that statement from the Anucha camp is true? Isiah denies it and I believe in innocent until proven guilty

Because he's a lying piece of crap a-hole.
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9/12/2007  12:18 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Anybody want to go to the trial with me later?

I want to catch Starbury's testimony. I gotta see that in person.

oh man! can you blackberry reports without getting thrown out?
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