Posted by Marv:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:
Nixluva don't lump everyone into the same category. Because I'm in the I hope we eventually win a championship camp I view things differently. I don't hate Steph and do not hold anything against him. I still think it's time to move on from him and go for a younger PG that can grow with our two young big men. Or an older PG that is a true leader and knows how to lead a team. I'm not sure I understand why it constantly means you hate a player if you feel that they need to be replaced.
No lumping going on here, in fact I think I was fairly limited in how I expressed things. I didn't say everyone or most, just that there are guys that do it and I specifically called out Basketballjones. There is in fact a group of guys who pile on when it comes to Steph. If you aren't in that group then it doesn't apply to you. Those who do it know who they are.
In terms of moving on, we all know that is what will have to happen at some point, but I think people tend to overstate the need to do it right now. Like I said, Nash went to PHX and even at the age of 30 he found himself in a good situation and flourished. I saw no evidence that he can't be part of a winning team here and if that is the case and we don't find a better candidate then he's likely to stay longer. Still we know it's in the best interests of the team to get his replace established.
nix i think the point for some of us is that steph has convinced us beyond a doubt that he will never - ever - ever - be a steve nash. he dosn’t possess the point guard ability that nash has.. so you’re comparing apples and oranges here and it's not valid in m many of our eyes.
I'm not even saying that he's gonna ever play LIKE Nash, but that he could be a productive part of a winning team as this team grows into that level of play. Without a doubt he's been the best all aorund player on this team since he got here. The only reason his stats have been down is by design. When he wants to he can bring it. High points, high assists and last year he also added D. To say that he's not gonna ever be Nash isn't saying anything amazing. How many PG's are like Nash? We just need him to be the best player he can be for this team. When he's doing that he's an extremely effective player.
Let's also remember that Nash went from a great team to a PERFECT team for his skills. His coach turned the team over to him and he was able to fourish. Steph hasn't had EITHER situation in his entire career. So let's keep perspective. To prove how good a team Dallas was they did well even after his leaving. To prove how perfect PHX was for him his stats went up all the way around once he got there. A big part of what makes a good player look better is the luck of being on good teams. This is why Kobe wants to be traded and why Kidd wanted no part of NJ when it looked like they weren't gonna have the commitment to getting better players.
If you put Steph in a situation where he's got shooters and finishers around him he's not gonna fail. That's what is starting to happen on this team. If Nash can play well into his 30's why can't Steph? All i'm saying is that if he has a big season there's not gonna be a rush to get rid of him. Nor should there be. Then we can continue to look for his replacement without any pressure. The only thing that can really stop Steph is his own body. If we can bring along a guy like Mardy to give Steph proper rest, he should be able to play at a high level for a bit longer. This team winning and losing isn't about Steph. It's about the entire TEAM being good enough at every position and as a group.
