Posted by kam77:

The government has to have a reason to use the technology. Unless you're a bad guy, why are you worried? Do you think there are enough government agents to keep track of every person in the USA? Are you that far gone?

That is the classic rationale used by totalitarian governments for centuries.

Posted by Panos:

Posted by kam77:

The government has to have a reason to use the technology. Unless you're a bad guy, why are you worried? Do you think there are enough government agents to keep track of every person in the USA? Are you that far gone?

That is the classic rationale used by totalitarian governments for centuries.

Panos, I'm pretty sure kam is being sarcastic. Look at the way he worded that post. It is mocking those that somehow find a way to defend everything a completely psycho administration will do to stay in power.

playa: This is not as bad as you think. I have read think tank articles which mentions technology that is even scarier. From what I understand, you still require a warrant for this.

The FBI's "applications made a sufficient case for electronic surveillance," Kaplan wrote. "They indicated that alternative methods of investigation either had failed or were unlikely to produce results, in part because the subjects deliberately avoided government surveillance."

Bill Stollhans, president of the Private Investigators Association of Virginia, said such a technique would be legally reserved for police armed with court orders, not private investigators.

There is "no law that would allow me as a private investigator to use that type of technique," he said. "That is exclusively for law enforcement. It is not allowable or not legal in the private sector. No client of mine can ask me to overhear telephone or strictly oral conversations."

http://news.com.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-10-2007 12:43 PM]

Posted by EnySpree:

The united states is in trouble.

We have debated a lot of subjects related to all aspects of how we live on this earth. If you are ignorant to the fact that things like this are important then you are lost.

Thing is, what can any of us do about it? What will any of is do if they could?

Just take your beating like a man as the goverment rides out their quest to rid the world of evil doers.

eny has anybody caught Bin Laden yet ? Is he considered a bad guy? ask 3000 family members.

You can't see the big picture yet, don't feel bad many others haven't either.

The New York Police Department(NYPD) alerted local media; and businesses that their new concern, and focus is home grown terrorists; who won't be found in the mosques but book stores and cafes.

They have targeted the American NY Muslim community; in a written report; who are now in an even greater panic than before. Seems all Moslem men, and communities, are now viewed as potential terrorists; and businesses have also been given this "report". Next will come peace activists; and dissidents I bet.

The NYPD is now shifting their police capabilities; into a military function, under Homeland Security.

shocking KSLA news report has confirmed the story we first broke last year, that Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

In May 2006, we exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

A whistleblower who was secretly enrolled into the program told us that the feds were clandestinely recruiting religious leaders to help implement Homeland Security directives in anticipation of a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.




The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often taken out of context bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to "obey the government" when martial law is declared.

It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure.

It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."

Pastors were told that they would be backed up by law enforcement in controlling uncooperative individuals and that they would even lead SWAT teams in attempting to quell resistance.

Though some doubted the accuracy of this report at the time due to its fundamentally disturbing implications, the story has now been confirmed by a KSLA 12 news report, in which participating clergy and officials admit to the existence of the program.




The report entertains the scenario of martial law as depicted in the movie The Siege and states that "quelling dissent would be critical."

Dr. Durell Tuberville serves as chaplain for the Shreveport Fire Department and the Caddo Sheriff's Office. Tuberville said of the clergy team's mission, "the primary thing that we say to anybody is, 'let's cooperate and get this thing over with and then we'll settle the differences once the crisis is over.'"

Such clergy response teams would walk a tight-rope during martial law between the demands of the government on the one side, versus the wishes of the public on the other. "In a lot of cases, these clergy would already be known in the neighborhoods in which they're helping to diffuse that situation," assured Sandy Davis. He serves as the director of the Caddo-Bossier Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness.

For the clergy team, one of the biggest tools that they will have in helping calm the public down or to obey the law is the bible itself, specifically Romans 13. Dr. Tuberville elaborated, "because the government's established by the Lord, you know.

The precedent for mass gun confiscation and martial law in times of a real or manufactured emergency was set during Hurricane Katrina, when police and National Guard patrols forced home owners - even in areas unaffected by the hurricane - to hand over their legally owned firearms at gunpoint.

This is a clear precursor for the imminent declaration of a state of emergency, a scenario that President Bush codified in his recent Presidential Decision Directive of May 9th, which states in the event of a "catastrophic event" the President can take total control over the government and the country, bypassing all other levels of government at the state, federal, local, territorial and tribal levels, and thus ensuring total unprecedented dictatorial power.

The scope of the program is so secretive that even Homeland Security Committee member and Congressman Peter DeFazio was denied access to view the classified portion of the documents.

only the guilty need worry

I watch 'The Wire' on HBO. And so should every other criminal. Throw away your wireless when you talkin' bid-i-ness.

It's simple really: Scare the public, pass new laws, make them fear "enemies" through the media propaganda, and control them through media. Many people are still asleep and very few are awake from the agenda, which is total control. Only now because of the Internet are people learning so much more about this.

Playa,

I contend that little has changed in 70 years. The FBI under Hoover was more cerebal KGB that kept tabs of its citizens.

IF there is a real threat than its kind of tough to tell the good guys from the bad guys.

Playa, I do believe there are conspiracies, and there have always been them. Our way of life has a dark side and we are kept there so we can continue to fuel corp profits. And this goes on in other coutries also. Except they are fueling a tax roll that needs to be met.

What do we fear, the expulstion of muslims in America?

We made the mistake of encampment of Japanese citizens during WWII amd that was a dam shame. They were american citizens but many people were scared and we usually demonize our enemies to make them more accessable. I think we would have also done some real bad things to them had they not been encamped. Think mobs upset over american casualities in the pacific.

Muslims are brothers first then members of a community second. Most do, but many do not assimilate into American society as most immigrants have in our history. Some think they can popluate and eventualy dominate our and other modern infrastructure around the world. In england you had doctors who take an oath to save lives propogate violance to further the cause. Thats getting scarey.

In a way we are doing the same but to some degree we accept religious tolerances in our society and have laws to protect it. Including an orthodox sect that does not see integration but either conversion or death to those don't.

We kill to preserve some assemblance of freedom and corp profits are used to fuel those freedoms. Get it?, in some countries like France that is socialist the state owns or controls most big biz. In france there are troops still in Africa to help protect french interests.

Look under the rugs of most governments and you'll find things that will make you sick.

Don't consipire against our country and pretty much you'll be ok. You can be a critic, you can work toward change, but don't conspire to murder.

Can't that be said about anyplace? Japan delt with its terror group (remember the trains?), Or spanish seporatists? Or Skin head groups here and in europe, or the Waco incident. In Waco, they put children in the line of fire. Sound familiar?

Playa, im not saying things are not messed up and our president is not a moron, but the crap you say is happening is not new. Governments have been abusing its citizens for thousands of years.

If we ever reach an economic depression I fully expect things to get ugly as hell. Thats why corp greed might be the best way to keep it all going. Its the better of many evils.

Think about it, dumb redneck skin heads will band together and blame jews, blacks, asians, etc.... for not being able to work in a depression.

FBI has abused their rights and have done ok in getting rid of them. Those Phucking idots who blew up the building in Oklahoma city were plain old boys from the midwest who could not hold a job and blamed the gov't for their problems.

In our society we have the freedom to mass up some weapons and waltz right into an elementry school and light it up. That is why big brother is listening, because we got crazy people, uptight dumb people, and now a religious group that offers more glory in death than to be alive.

Golda Meir said " when our enemy decides to love its children more than they hate the jews, then perhaps we can have peace".

This country will stand up and put down any group that threatens its citizens with violance. And when doing so it will make mistakes.

Corp greed also is philinthrapic and pays taxes. The more taxes you pay the louder the voice.

Money is power and power gets abused every day. Its not the American way, its human nature.

What does playa do to further the human race? Besides read alternative press and try to enlighten others, what are you doing to help?