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9/5/2007  11:16 AM
September 5, 2007
By HOWARD BECK

Over 27 years as an N.B.A. referee, Hue Hollins became inured to criticism and practically immune to name-calling. But the words he heard attached to his name a few days ago stung too much to let them pass.

Hollins was labeled a “disgruntled former official” whose competency eroded at the end of his career. The description came not from a bitter player or fan, but from Commissioner David Stern, who last week ripped Hollins and another former referee, Mike Mathis, for publicly criticizing the league’s officiating program.

“The N.B.A. was very good to me, and I was extremely good to them,” Hollins said yesterday in a telephone interview. “I’m not a disgruntled ex-employee. I worked 27 years in the N.B.A. I missed one game out of 27 years. If that’s not loyalty, I don’t know what is.”

The N.B.A.’s officiating program has come under intense scrutiny since the revelation in July that Tim Donaghy, a former N.B.A. referee, provided inside information to professional gamblers and bet on games. Donaghy pleaded guilty last month to two felony counts of conspiring with gamblers. He is awaiting sentencing.

No other referees are believed to be involved, although the N.B.A. could discipline some referees for legal gambling that violated league rules. Yet the Donaghy case has exposed a divide between the commissioner’s office and the referees it employs.

Hollins and Mathis, who are both retired, have said the league’s officiating system is broken, and have specifically blamed Ronnie Nunn, the director of officials, and Stu Jackson, the senior vice president for basketball operations. A number of current referees have also aired their discontent, but they have done so anonymously because the N.B.A. prohibits them from speaking with reporters.

Stern singled out Hollins and Mathis when he met with the news media last Thursday in Las Vegas, where he was attending the Olympic qualifying tournament.

“I guess all I’ll say is that Messers Mathis and Hollins at the end of their careers were not model referees, and it comes with ill grace for them to spend their time battering their former colleagues and the quality of them,” Stern said. “As a staff, the quality is a lot better than when Mr. Hollins and Mr. Mathis were roaming the floor, I might say, certainly toward the end of their perhaps otherwise-distinguished careers.”

The 65-year-old Hollins, who lives in Southern California, said he learned of Stern’s comments over the weekend.

In defending his record, Hollins noted that he officiated 19 finals games and five All-Star Games, assignments generally reserved for the N.B.A.’s best referees, and became a crew chief in his fifth season.

“Does that sound like a person who couldn’t referee?” he said.

According to Hollins, a great number of current referees are disillusioned with the program and want Jackson and Nunn fired.

“They’re doing that as we speak,” Hollins said.

In response to Hollins’s assertions N.B.A. spokesman Tim Frank said: “Hugh Hollins’s unhappiness with the N.B.A. predates Ronnie Nunn and Stu Jackson.”

Stern indicated last week that he stood by Nunn and Jackson. However, the league has launched a wholesale review of its officiating program, which could conceivably lead to changes in personnel. A former federal prosecutor, Lawrence B. Pedowitz, is in the process of interviewing all 60 referees, as well as team and league officials.
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9/5/2007  12:02 PM
In defending his record, Hollins noted that he officiated 19 finals games and five All-Star Games, assignments generally reserved for the N.B.A.’s best referees, and became a crew chief in his fifth season.



I think Stern has an axe to grind, this ref was one of the best.
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9/5/2007  1:15 PM
David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.
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9/5/2007  1:16 PM
I hope Hollins and Mathis sue the NBA and Stern personally for slander.
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9/6/2007  10:55 AM
Posted by islesfan:

David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.


I seriously can't think of a worst commissioner in sports. Just awful from Head-to-Toe!
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9/6/2007  11:04 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.


I seriously can't think of a worst commissioner in sports. Just awful from Head-to-Toe!

dude, you keep saying the same thing without really providing any backup, or maybe I missed it.

Sterns job is to keep the owners rolling in money; Check. Increase viewership; Check, up until very recently.

What am I missing?
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9/6/2007  11:16 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.


I seriously can't think of a worst commissioner in sports. Just awful from Head-to-Toe!

dude, you keep saying the same thing without really providing any backup, or maybe I missed it.

Sterns job is to keep the owners rolling in money; Check. Increase viewership; Check, up until very recently.

What am I missing?

Increase the popularity of the league so that bench players like Jerome James can make millions. Check.
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9/6/2007  11:28 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.


I seriously can't think of a worst commissioner in sports. Just awful from Head-to-Toe!

dude, you keep saying the same thing without really providing any backup, or maybe I missed it.

Sterns job is to keep the owners rolling in money; Check. Increase viewership; Check, up until very recently.

What am I missing?

Increase the popularity of the league so that bench players like Jerome James can make millions. Check.


I've made it very clear where this bum stands with me. It really isn't debatable anymore, and never was in my mind. The Ref Scandal has only exposed him for what he is and has been practically his whole tenure. And by keeping suspected incompetent refs on the payroll/employed, reffing high profiled games only means 1 thing IMO and that's those individuals had dirt on his system because they were a part of it. He greased their palms, stroked their egos, made them out to be demigods, to keep them hushed while they write their own scripts on games. Meanwhile the fan not only watches Fraud for yrs they paid an exorbitant price having this presentation before them, while suspecting but being lied to for yrs that this wasn't done under his watch and their eyes.
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9/6/2007  11:34 AM
And yet we still watch
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9/6/2007  11:50 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

And yet we still watch

and yet TrueBlue still watches and posts about it. High standards.
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9/6/2007  11:55 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.


I seriously can't think of a worst commissioner in sports. Just awful from Head-to-Toe!

dude, you keep saying the same thing without really providing any backup, or maybe I missed it.

Sterns job is to keep the owners rolling in money; Check. Increase viewership; Check, up until very recently.

What am I missing?

Increase the popularity of the league so that bench players like Jerome James can make millions. Check.


I've made it very clear where this bum stands with me. It really isn't debatable anymore, and never was in my mind. The Ref Scandal has only exposed him for what he is and has been practically his whole tenure. And by keeping suspected incompetent refs on the payroll/employed, reffing high profiled games only means 1 thing IMO and that's those individuals had dirt on his system because they were a part of it. He greased their palms, stroked their egos, made them out to be demigods, to keep them hushed while they write their own scripts on games. Meanwhile the fan not only watches Fraud for yrs they paid an exorbitant price having this presentation before them, while suspecting but being lied to for yrs that this wasn't done under his watch and their eyes.

so where do you rank the other Commissioners? MLB, NHL, NFL?

Lockouts, steriods, convicted fellons who are let back in, dwindling viewships?

How about you look at Stern's full tenure where he brought the NBA from low attendance and viewship and drug-filled membership of the 70's and 80's up through the Jordan era?

And where does $$$ to ownership rank in your assessment or does it at all?

I hate the new TV deals but I understand them.

The ref scandal sucks and there is a lot of he said she said. Not unexpected. Who cares?
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9/6/2007  11:55 AM
People LOVE conspiracies. No matter how stupid sounding the conspiracy may be.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/6/2007  11:57 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.


I seriously can't think of a worst commissioner in sports. Just awful from Head-to-Toe!

dude, you keep saying the same thing without really providing any backup, or maybe I missed it.

Sterns job is to keep the owners rolling in money; Check. Increase viewership; Check, up until very recently.

What am I missing?

Hasn't viewership been going downhill for a few years now? Resulting in the lowest rated Finals since the drug days of the NBA?

I don't think NBA teams aren't doing well financially but I don't think it's doing nearly as well as it has been. And Stern and HIS referees ruining the integrity of the game isn't helping. The NBA isn't nearly as popular as it used to be and it's not getting any better.
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9/6/2007  11:58 AM
And who was it who SAVED the league from those drug days?

Take your time...

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-06-2007 11:58 AM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/6/2007  11:59 AM
Posted by kam77:

And who was it who SAVED the league from those drug days?

Take your time...

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-06-2007 11:58 AM]

Larry and Magic

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9/6/2007  12:02 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.


I seriously can't think of a worst commissioner in sports. Just awful from Head-to-Toe!

dude, you keep saying the same thing without really providing any backup, or maybe I missed it.

Sterns job is to keep the owners rolling in money; Check. Increase viewership; Check, up until very recently.

What am I missing?

Hasn't viewership been going downhill for a few years now? Resulting in the lowest rated Finals since the drug days of the NBA?

I don't think NBA teams aren't doing well financially but I don't think it's doing nearly as well as it has been. And Stern and HIS referees ruining the integrity of the game isn't helping. The NBA isn't nearly as popular as it used to be and it's not getting any better.

Viewership is down, especially in the finals. I would like to see how attendance across the full year and the full playoffs... is it different than past years? TV versus ticket sales?

Hey, the NBA has had small market teams in the finals in the past years, so it's logical that TV eyes are down. If it was LA v NYK, it would make sense that eyeballs would be up.

I am assuming that David just completed his TV deals to the benefit for the leauge - $$$$$ - and as a result we all get some weird ass cable/ESPN finals instead of NBC. Sucks for use but it makes sense for the league in terms of dollars, and make no mistake, Stern don't care about you and me, he cares about his owners first.
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9/6/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

And who was it who SAVED the league from those drug days?

Take your time...

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-06-2007 11:58 AM]

Larry and Magic

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and who made the league player focused and promoted Magic and Larry? and then may have influenced the refs to make it easier for Jordan to finally trump?
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9/6/2007  12:09 PM
TV is much more of an indicator than ticket sales. Just pure numbers.

LeBron is supposed to be a HUGE draw for the NBA and the Finals numbers were still down. NYK being in the Finals in 94 and 99 didn't lead to bigger ratings, in fact the ratings of those Finals were very weak.

There's no question that Stern cares about his owners a millions times more than he cares about NBA fans. That's just part of the problem that is causing them to lose the casual fans that they desperately need. I wouldn't categorize anybody who posts often on this board to be a casual fan, so to single anybody out, like some did about TrueBlue, wouldn't be fair. We'd all be watching and talking about the NBA even if they had such terrible ratings as the NHL.
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9/6/2007  12:17 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

And who was it who SAVED the league from those drug days?

Take your time...

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-06-2007 11:58 AM]

Larry and Magic

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and who made the league player focused and promoted Magic and Larry? and then may have influenced the refs to make it easier for Jordan to finally trump?

Come on, that was a no brainer. Let's see, one great new young player on one of the NBA's premier teams, including one in a major market. Both competing for championships for an entire decade.

Sorry but a monkey would have focused and promoted Magic's Lakers and Larry's Celtics. And that focus on the individual player seamlessly and naturally moved on the Jordan.

I'm not trying to make Stern out to be a complete buffoon and ignore anything he's done well with running the NBA but he's also responsible for the downward trend that the NBA is experiencing. That includes the Donaghy scandal, which he can't just pawn off as something the NBA couldn't have done anything about.
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9/6/2007  12:21 PM
Posted by islesfan:

TV is much more of an indicator than ticket sales. Just pure numbers.

LeBron is supposed to be a HUGE draw for the NBA and the Finals numbers were still down. NYK being in the Finals in 94 and 99 didn't lead to bigger ratings, in fact the ratings of those Finals were very weak.

There's no question that Stern cares about his owners a millions times more than he cares about NBA fans. That's just part of the problem that is causing them to lose the casual fans that they desperately need. I wouldn't categorize anybody who posts often on this board to be a casual fan, so to single anybody out, like some did about TrueBlue, wouldn't be fair. We'd all be watching and talking about the NBA even if they had such terrible ratings as the NHL.

fair enough, but the argument is who is a better Commissioner? And by what criteria do you measure a commissioner?

Also, would David have been able to INCREASE his TV deal if viewership was down? How does that work? Some sort of Stern magic.

Let's get it straight: A commissioner is the same as a CEO and his/her first job is to make money for the shareholder/owners and to continue the longevity of that entity. Check.

Now, has viewship been down? Yes. Stern's second priority is to make sure the people and eyeballs are around to support priority #1. I think you will find that because the new TV is complete for the next whatever years, fan focus will come back into play.
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