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misterearl
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8/30/2007  1:10 PM
nyk.com: What are you working on to add to your game for the coming season?

Lee: I'm still continuing to work on my jump shot, especially that 12- to 15-footer. I'm also continuing to work on my ball-handling, but for the most part, I am planning on coming into training camp in the best shape of my life and being ready to go.

Question: Have you been able to stay in contact with a lot of the guys over the summer?

Lee: Yeah, absolutely. We had a week in August where everybody came in, and we had some scrimmages with about 12 guys. It was good to have a week where you could see everybody and play with and against one another.

(did he say 12?)

Question: Finally, what can the fans expect from the Knicks in 2007-08.

Lee: It's going to be an exciting year. We've got some new pieces and some pieces that are still in place from last year, so it's going to be an exciting year. We expect to make the playoffs, and we expect to make a run this year. We're very excited, and the fans should be as well.

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8/30/2007  1:29 PM
AH YES! The smell of a new Knicks season is in the air already. I'm truly excited to see what this team will do this year. I think we're gonna be a LOT better than last year and even surprise some with how good we'll be. I expect a solid start for a change and for the team to play above .500. I expect a playoff birth and for the team to make a good showing in the playoffs. I can't predict getting to the 2nd rd without knowing who they'll face, but I think they have a shot to do that, cuz I expect a lot of parity in the East.

Lee and the other returning players should be a more solid group from day one this year. They know what the system is and what their roles will be. I think the chemistry will be better as well. It's time for things to finally come together for this team and i'm looking forward to watching how things unfold this year.
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8/30/2007  5:42 PM
I'm not going to make any predictions about the team, but if Lee can drain that mid-range j with some consistency, that will be another step up in his game. That mid-range jumper was Oakley's best shot and it's something Oakley had to develop. Oakley didn't have Lee's ability on put backs.
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8/30/2007  6:07 PM
Lee has alot of capital on this board, even with the haters. DOes this count for anything to them? It does to me, and I am excited.
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8/30/2007  6:38 PM
Posted by misterearl:

nyk.com: What are you working on to add to your game for the coming season?

Lee: I'm still continuing to work on my jump shot, especially that 12- to 15-footer. I'm also continuing to work on my ball-handling, but for the most part, I am planning on coming into training camp in the best shape of my life and being ready to go.

Question: Have you been able to stay in contact with a lot of the guys over the summer?

Lee: Yeah, absolutely. We had a week in August where everybody came in, and we had some scrimmages with about 12 guys. It was good to have a week where you could see everybody and play with and against one another.

(did he say 12?)

Question: Finally, what can the fans expect from the Knicks in 2007-08.

Lee: It's going to be an exciting year. We've got some new pieces and some pieces that are still in place from last year, so it's going to be an exciting year. We expect to make the playoffs, and we expect to make a run this year. We're very excited, and the fans should be as well.

I'm widit.

It is great that he's upbeat and ready to go. Counts for a lot that he's in the best shape of his life, especially coming off the injury.

Doesn't count for anything that he says this year should be "exciting" and that "we're expecting to make the playoffs." I can't remember a season when that same message wasn't regurgitated by at least half of the team. I'm pretty sure that's the mindset for every team every year, except for those that are good enough to talk championship.
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8/30/2007  7:13 PM
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by misterearl:

nyk.com: What are you working on to add to your game for the coming season?

Lee: I'm still continuing to work on my jump shot, especially that 12- to 15-footer. I'm also continuing to work on my ball-handling, but for the most part, I am planning on coming into training camp in the best shape of my life and being ready to go.

Question: Have you been able to stay in contact with a lot of the guys over the summer?

Lee: Yeah, absolutely. We had a week in August where everybody came in, and we had some scrimmages with about 12 guys. It was good to have a week where you could see everybody and play with and against one another.

(did he say 12?)

Question: Finally, what can the fans expect from the Knicks in 2007-08.

Lee: It's going to be an exciting year. We've got some new pieces and some pieces that are still in place from last year, so it's going to be an exciting year. We expect to make the playoffs, and we expect to make a run this year. We're very excited, and the fans should be as well.

I'm widit.

It is great that he's upbeat and ready to go. Counts for a lot that he's in the best shape of his life, especially coming off the injury.

Doesn't count for anything that he says this year should be "exciting" and that "we're expecting to make the playoffs." I can't remember a season when that same message wasn't regurgitated by at least half of the team. I'm pretty sure that's the mindset for every team every year, except for those that are good enough to talk championship.

What kills me about this subject which comes up every year is the lack of context. His words THIS YEAR carry more weight, given that the team is clearly working harder this year than it has in recent times. The team has added even more talent and we should be much more prepared from the start of the year than at anytime in the last 3 years. This is the 1st year that we've had not only a lot of talent, but that talent has developed some chemistry and continuity. In essence it's more like a real team. We can feel more confident that we know what we have on this team and that they know what they can do as a team. I just think that this time the team is READY to do more.

In past years say the LB year, we only had hope that he could eventually turn the ship around and that it might lead to a playoff birth. No one was ever saying that they expected a team that would come out the gate running on all cylinders. The same could be said for last year when we were looking for the team to repair the damage done by LB. THIS YEAR is far different in that we don't have those same issues. Now we're looking to build off of the lessons learned last year. To me there's a big difference. Most of the pieces are in place.
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8/30/2007  8:00 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by misterearl:

nyk.com: What are you working on to add to your game for the coming season?

Lee: I'm still continuing to work on my jump shot, especially that 12- to 15-footer. I'm also continuing to work on my ball-handling, but for the most part, I am planning on coming into training camp in the best shape of my life and being ready to go.

Question: Have you been able to stay in contact with a lot of the guys over the summer?

Lee: Yeah, absolutely. We had a week in August where everybody came in, and we had some scrimmages with about 12 guys. It was good to have a week where you could see everybody and play with and against one another.

(did he say 12?)

Question: Finally, what can the fans expect from the Knicks in 2007-08.

Lee: It's going to be an exciting year. We've got some new pieces and some pieces that are still in place from last year, so it's going to be an exciting year. We expect to make the playoffs, and we expect to make a run this year. We're very excited, and the fans should be as well.

I'm widit.

It is great that he's upbeat and ready to go. Counts for a lot that he's in the best shape of his life, especially coming off the injury.

Doesn't count for anything that he says this year should be "exciting" and that "we're expecting to make the playoffs." I can't remember a season when that same message wasn't regurgitated by at least half of the team. I'm pretty sure that's the mindset for every team every year, except for those that are good enough to talk championship.

What kills me about this subject which comes up every year is the lack of context. His words THIS YEAR carry more weight, given that the team is clearly working harder this year than it has in recent times. The team has added even more talent and we should be much more prepared from the start of the year than at anytime in the last 3 years. This is the 1st year that we've had not only a lot of talent, but that talent has developed some chemistry and continuity. In essence it's more like a real team. We can feel more confident that we know what we have on this team and that they know what they can do as a team. I just think that this time the team is READY to do more.

In past years say the LB year, we only had hope that he could eventually turn the ship around and that it might lead to a playoff birth. No one was ever saying that they expected a team that would come out the gate running on all cylinders. The same could be said for last year when we were looking for the team to repair the damage done by LB. THIS YEAR is far different in that we don't have those same issues. Now we're looking to build off of the lessons learned last year. To me there's a big difference. Most of the pieces are in place.

Fine. You're telling me it is different because there are no real hurdles to overcome this year, while in years past we've had to deal with lesser talent (LB era) and a broken squad (post-LB era). But I don't want to hear it then when we have a rocky start and people start saying "well we just added a completely new piece with ZR - you need to give the team time to adjust to the new player and try to figure out a way to make it work."

Either his words should be taken lightly, as they are uttered every year and we always start off struggling for one reason or another, or they should be taken uniquely and seriously because the team has no real hurdles to overcome.
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8/30/2007  8:36 PM
I've noticed lately that D-Lee is very, ah how should I say this, a big talker in interviews.

He tends to overshadow the negative and homer-fisticate the postive.

Yes, I made a new word up.


Anyway, I think this is what you get when you work under Dolan; he tells you how to conduct interviews...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/30/2007  8:56 PM
Who cares what kind of season Lee is predicting? Who cares about predictions by any paid member of an NBA organization?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-30-2007 8:57 PM]
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8/30/2007  11:43 PM
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by misterearl:

nyk.com: What are you working on to add to your game for the coming season?

Lee: I'm still continuing to work on my jump shot, especially that 12- to 15-footer. I'm also continuing to work on my ball-handling, but for the most part, I am planning on coming into training camp in the best shape of my life and being ready to go.

Question: Have you been able to stay in contact with a lot of the guys over the summer?

Lee: Yeah, absolutely. We had a week in August where everybody came in, and we had some scrimmages with about 12 guys. It was good to have a week where you could see everybody and play with and against one another.

(did he say 12?)

Question: Finally, what can the fans expect from the Knicks in 2007-08.

Lee: It's going to be an exciting year. We've got some new pieces and some pieces that are still in place from last year, so it's going to be an exciting year. We expect to make the playoffs, and we expect to make a run this year. We're very excited, and the fans should be as well.

I'm widit.

It is great that he's upbeat and ready to go. Counts for a lot that he's in the best shape of his life, especially coming off the injury.

Doesn't count for anything that he says this year should be "exciting" and that "we're expecting to make the playoffs." I can't remember a season when that same message wasn't regurgitated by at least half of the team. I'm pretty sure that's the mindset for every team every year, except for those that are good enough to talk championship.

What kills me about this subject which comes up every year is the lack of context. His words THIS YEAR carry more weight, given that the team is clearly working harder this year than it has in recent times. The team has added even more talent and we should be much more prepared from the start of the year than at anytime in the last 3 years. This is the 1st year that we've had not only a lot of talent, but that talent has developed some chemistry and continuity. In essence it's more like a real team. We can feel more confident that we know what we have on this team and that they know what they can do as a team. I just think that this time the team is READY to do more.

In past years say the LB year, we only had hope that he could eventually turn the ship around and that it might lead to a playoff birth. No one was ever saying that they expected a team that would come out the gate running on all cylinders. The same could be said for last year when we were looking for the team to repair the damage done by LB. THIS YEAR is far different in that we don't have those same issues. Now we're looking to build off of the lessons learned last year. To me there's a big difference. Most of the pieces are in place.

Fine. You're telling me it is different because there are no real hurdles to overcome this year, while in years past we've had to deal with lesser talent (LB era) and a broken squad (post-LB era). But I don't want to hear it then when we have a rocky start and people start saying "well we just added a completely new piece with ZR - you need to give the team time to adjust to the new player and try to figure out a way to make it work."

Either his words should be taken lightly, as they are uttered every year and we always start off struggling for one reason or another, or they should be taken uniquely and seriously because the team has no real hurdles to overcome.
I never said we had NO hurdles to overcome, just fewer of them than we've had in the past. This is just part of the natural progression and the result of some continuity for a change. I think all the players on the team have a similar take on things this year and it's been evident in the things they've done this offseason.

With the young talent we've been adding over the last 3 offseasons, it's not that hard to imagine a point at which that talent matures and starts to really make a bigger impact. We've been looking for things like that to happen and I think some of that is gonna happen this year. That in addition to adding a stud like Zach. I think Isiah was beginning to have a positive effect on this team last year and that he'll get some more traction this year.

We're not destined to fail every year just cuz we've had some bad failures in the past. I think that we've just gotten so jaded that we no longer take these kinds of things into perspective. Look, this team has been adding talent for years now and most of that talent has been young and inexperienced and not fully developed at that. It takes time for players like that to reach their peak and to fully grasp things on the NBA level. We're at the point now where those young players should start to really get it and I think they'll be bigger factors from this point forward.

Lee should be improved, Balkman and Mardy should be a good deal more mentally ready to contribute from day one as opposed to last year as rooks, not being ready. Nate should be a bit more mature and in a contract year serious about making a better contribution. Curry should be brimming with confidence and I expect him to come in ready to take over. Jared may just come back ready to prove he's better than he showed last year. Q if he's fully healthy should be able to give us more this year. Even Isiah should be better this year. Last but not least we added a near All Star PF. I'm not buggin out here, these are legit reasons to think this team should be better.
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8/31/2007  12:12 AM
The message is important but I think in this case the interesting thing is not the MSG message but the messenger.
Why Lee? And why he is taking the risk to predict success?

The selection of Lee is understandable - he is fan favorite, especially among funs critical to Isiah and his "methods" of building the team.
For Lee it is also a win-win situation. He is getting the image of team leader and person who can deliver the message of the organization to the funs and to the press.
You can add couple of millions to his future contract for his matter. Regardless of it will be a contract with Knicks or elsewhere.

As per hurdles I cannot see any which can be used as excuse.
On paper team has everything to be good. And if we will fail again it will be pretty clear who is the weakest link...






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8/31/2007  2:26 AM
I'm so beat down that I still wouldn't believe this team can even be a .500 team. I'll believe it when I see it.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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8/31/2007  6:07 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Who cares what kind of season Lee is predicting? Who cares about predictions by any paid member of an NBA organization?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-30-2007 8:57 PM]

That's reasonable. You have to take any prediction by any member of any professional sports team with a grain of salt.
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8/31/2007  8:48 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Who cares what kind of season Lee is predicting? Who cares about predictions by any paid member of an NBA organization?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-30-2007 8:57 PM]

That's reasonable. You have to take any prediction by any member of any professional sports team with a grain of salt.
IMO it's not just about the prediction. Anyone can predict success, even if they're on a sucky team. It's about weighing all the other factors we have at our disposal. In college football they make predictions and rank teams even without any preseason evidence. They do it based on the info they have at hand. What kind of talent the team has and other things. In our case we have so many reasons to expect that this team should be better. I think it started to improve even last year. Now the team has a renewed sense of purpose and it's been evident in the participation this summer. Guys have bought into the cause and they all want to turn things around. None of that alone is a guarantee, but it's a heck of a lot better than we've seen in past years.

It's not going way out on a limb to expect more from this team. Despite the way things have turned out the last couple of years, this team isn't filled with a bunch of bad guys who don't care. I think we have some passionate players on this team and they're a sleeping giant that has finally woken up. They've already gotten a head start on developing chemistry and attitude for the season and I think that's gonna help to get them off to a better start. Heck to read that even Isiah has been involved in the scrimmages. When was the last time you've ever read that about a Knick Coach? That kind of bonding is a good thing and I already believe this team was close knit. They seem to really like each other and I can see them coming together even more.

Come on Knick fans get out of your malaise and get behind this team!!! We've got young studs who can really play and for the 1st time in a long while we have reason to be excited about a Knick season. LET'S GO!!!


[Edited by - nixluva on 08-31-2007 08:49 AM]
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When do people start to realize that every year it's the same article written just with differenet names substituted

_________(substitute player name) has been working on his game all summer. ___________(substitute player name)says they are in the best shape of their career. ____________(substitute player name)says that this will be a big season for _________________(substitute team name).

All the teams cut and paste the same article. These words mean nothing. During Patrick's years we heard the same stuff. During Allan's years we heard this. Last year we heard this ad nauseum. I'm just going to wait until the season. It's nice to read this stuff to pass the time when I am bored. But it means nothing.
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Posted by Killa4luv:

Lee has alot of capital on this board, even with the haters. DOes this count for anything to them? It does to me, and I am excited.

I used to like Lee, but I'm going to have to re-evaluate my position after this.
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Words and reports being "Similar" or "the Same" are two different things. Bringing up Patrick or Allan's Era isn't relevant to this subject. Yeah we've heard and always hear similar things, but it's not just about the words uttered. As i've said it's also the degree of commitment we're seeing from the players. It's the following up the words with ACTIONS that have been substantiated.

This is the 1st time we've seen this degree of cohesiveness from the players on this team. They all seem to be on a mission to build on or improve on what they did last year. Many of the players are doing things they've never done before. If you say it's "the same" then you're not being fair about what we've been reading about this teams preparation this summer. It's not the same. Many members of this forum were upset that we didn't hear any news about our players coming together like some other teams had been reported to be doing and now that it comes out that they have, suddenly it's unimportant?

Now none of this gurantees anything, but it's a positive development for a team not known for it's work ethic. Almost to a man we're reading about our players working harder and earlier than they have in the past. Reading that the players as a group have been getting together FAR more often than they have in the past and with more determination to improve. That's not the same as we've seen before. Sure we need to see results, but in terms of where we are at this time in comparison to past years, it's very good news and I don't think it's too much to be excited about our teams prospects this year.
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8/31/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Who cares what kind of season Lee is predicting? Who cares about predictions by any paid member of an NBA organization?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-30-2007 8:57 PM]
Oh the hypocrisy. The title of the thread tells you its now about what is said, its who said it! If Stephon Marbury said something like that you would come out saying he is an idiot and does not know how to talk in public. If it was Isiah, forget it, you would be all over him calling him a fraud etc. When it comes to Lee you use your common sense? I think you should react the same way to all quotes you read in the newspaper because no matter who says what, its essentially coming from Dolan.
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Nixluva: Until it translates onto the court I could careless about any perceived cohesiveness etc. Patrick's teams showed commitment to winning every year, yet I never got excited or down about any offseason reports. I waited until the season started. If guys spent the entire offseason working on their games instead of getting together once in a while it will show on the court during the season. Please explain to me, what is wrong with this point of view. I'm dying to hear your explanation.
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Posted by Bippity10:

Nixluva: Until it translates onto the court I could careless about any perceived cohesiveness etc. Patrick's teams showed commitment to winning every year, yet I never got excited or down about any offseason reports. I waited until the season started. If guys spent the entire offseason working on their games instead of getting together once in a while it will show on the court during the season. Please explain to me, what is wrong with this point of view. I'm dying to hear your explanation.
You sound like someone who is dispassionate. The whole idea of being a FAN which as you know is short for fanatic is to be excited for your team and that doesn't stop just cuz it's the off season. Millions of sports fans have the same sort of take on things that I do or else there wouldn't be so much talk about preparation for the new season, no matter what team or sport we're talking about.

You can go ahead and wait for the season, that's your right, but MANY fans like to get into the spirit of things early. News like this as well as all the positive things we've read this summer is part of the fun of following a team. Blogs are still being frequented by fans. Forums like this still get posts regarding the summer activities of the players.

All i'm saying is that just cuz you feel this stuff has no merit doesn't make it so. I fully explained why I think this year is different from the last 2 years, which is all that really matters when it comes to THIS group. Not Patrick's teams or Allan's. I'm saying that since we've added Curry and the other players to this team, we haven't seen them prepare in the way that they have shown this summer. Nate and Lee as well as Q have come out and testified to the higher level of commitment. Steph actually with the team and trying to help a young guy like Chan. When did you read that before? There have been articles written like the one on Jared showng that guys are far more determined to improve this year. That stuff means nothing to you, fine, but don't rain on our parade.
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