Different eras make it so hard to compare.

Stockton is a forgotten guy. He's widely respected amongst his peers but not as high as zeke and magic. Stock had a string of years where he tallied 1000 assist seasons. Amazing. Stockton did have Malone and the pick and roll all day. Isiah just had the bash brothers and dumars/vinnie.

I'm just glad I was old enough to remember how good those 2 players were. Point gods as slam mag would say.

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I am sure we all remember the infamous statement of Clyde Frazier saying he saw his game in Mardy Collins and offered to work out with him. Well that never happened. Maybe it was just for TV or maybe Zeke dismantled those plans. Maybe Zeke truly believes Mardy would be better off with his tutelage. So that leaves me with this question...who is the better PG Zeke (2 time champ, top 50 all time) or Frazier (1 time champ last knick chip, top 50 all time)?

I thought the reason that it hasn't happened yet was that Collins was rehabbing over the summer.

Reed was more important than Frazier.

MVP.

Zeke. Though Clyde takes a backseat to no one.

Dumars was dropping 22 a game during their championships, the microwave was average around 12 off the bench, rodman was averaging close to a double double, lambeer was averaging close to a double double, there was a lot of talent on that team on the defensive end especially....Dumars was one of the leagues best defenders so can you say isiah was really the clear cut best player?

Isiah is a great player tough to compare the two, I think a player like cousy would be very average in today's game.

Posted by bobs3304:

Reed was more important than Frazier.

MVP.

But at the same time, Isiah would have been nothing but an all-star, if he didn't have Lambier, Rodman, Dumars & the others. They pretty much built the bulls into a pissed off team that eventually took it out on our Knicks. But then again, Ewing didn't get much help either.

both all-time greats. I think u could mke a case for either, it all depends on your personal preferences. mine are for clyde. isiah was the more entertaining to watch, because of the package of small size with indominatable will, aggressivenes and creativity. plus I liked his bitchy walk-off-the-court bad boy style. the only thing I didn't like about him was his affection for bobby knight.

clyde, though, imo did everything on the court that isiah did, but just with a different pace and body language. and his size and defense were tremendous advantages. I think he could have played 3 positions and flourished equally at them.

in terms of teams, yeah reed, debusschere, bradley,barnett, monroe are more legendary names, but i'd say no more effective a unit than dumars, rodman, laimbeer, aguirre, vinnie. plus they had all the big men they kept rotating, salley, mahorn, edwards.

one last thing, whoever was saying cousy couldn't play now I 100% disagree. he would be exactly what you see in steve nash. talk about never pick up your dribble, know where everyone on the court is, pick out the right man at the right time, etc.

Posted by EnySpree:

Bad boys vs. Glory day knicks.

WAR!!!

Those teams would destroy this eras teams. Damn man, the modern NBA is so puss. There are some good players and good teams, but any great ones? Few and far between.

I agree with you Spree. Basketball isn't a physical game any more. Its like ****ing watch ballet now. I see 11 yrs olds that ball harder than the NBA players. Kobe would have never dropped 81 in 1981. Glad I have my New York Jets.