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8/9/2007  3:59 PM
Only 1 team (Spurs)has won the NBA championship in the last 22 years with a player (Duncan/Robinson) they have chosen with the number 1 over all pick in the draft.
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8/9/2007  3:59 PM
Yeah. Shaq never won in ORL.
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8/9/2007  4:06 PM
Sports Illustrated pointed this fact out.

Webber, Dwight Howard, Kmart, Bogut, Patrick, Lebron, Iverson, Joe Smith, Yao, Kwaeme, Brand, Glen Robinson, Olowkandi, Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman, Pervis Ellison, Danny Manning, and Brad Daugherty.

Surprising how few have won for that team and also surprising how many were traded.
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8/9/2007  4:09 PM
Many of those players are still playing, so there's time. Also, the Spurs won four times.
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8/9/2007  4:11 PM
Posted by Solace:

Many of those players are still playing, so there's time. Also, the Spurs won four times.

About half were contenders(CF or Finals appearance) Webber, Patrick, Iverson, Martin, Glen Robinson, Lebron, Larry Johnson

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 08-09-2007 3:16 PM]
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8/9/2007  4:14 PM

2007 - Greg Oden - Portland - Ohio State

2006 - Andrea Bargnani - Toronto - Italy

2005 - Andrew Bogut - Milwaukee - Utah

2004 - Dwight Howard - Orlando - SW Atlanta Christian Academy (GA)

2003 - LeBron James - Cleveland - St. Vincent-St. Mary HS (OH) (NBA Finals)

2002 - Yao Ming - Houston - China

2001 - Kwame Brown - Washington - Glynn Academy (MJ HAS NO IDEA)

2000 - Kenyon Martin - New Jersey Nets - Cincinnati (NBA FINALS TWICE)

1999 - Elton Brand - Chicago Bulls - Duke

1998 - Michael Olowokandi - Los Angeles Clippers - Pacific (Cal.)

1997 - Tim Duncan - San Antonio - Wake Forest (NBA Champion)

1996 - Allen Iverson - Philadelphia - Georgetown

1995 - Joe Smith - Golden State - Maryland GARNETT

1994 - Glenn Robinson - Milwaukee - Purdue

1993 - Chris Webber - Orlando - Michigan

1992 - Shaquille O'Neal - Orlando - Louisiana State (4 Championships)

1991 - Larry Johnson - Charlotte - Nevada-Las Vegas (NBA FINALS)

1990 - Derrick Coleman - New Jersey - Syracuse

1989 - Pervis Ellison - Sacramento - Louisville

1988 - Danny Manning - L.A. Clippers - Kansas

1987 - David Robinson - San Antonio - Navy

1986 - Brad Daugherty - Cleveland - North Carolina

1985 - Patrick Ewing - New York - Georgetown (NBA FINALS TWICE)

Lot of teams make mistakes but the players were there to get you to the finals, make you a contender and lift your team up
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8/9/2007  4:15 PM
Posted by Solace:

Many of those players are still playing, so there's time. Also, the Spurs won four times.

They won 4 times but also had 2 (Duncan and Robinson) not 1 of the top picks for 2 of those titles.

Still 4 times or 1 team in 22 or 23 years so far is not a great track record.
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8/9/2007  4:18 PM
I could show plenty of guys drafted low that have made the nba finals or even won. Coming close is not the point of the thread. You either have won or you havent.
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Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by Solace:

Many of those players are still playing, so there's time. Also, the Spurs won four times.

They won 4 times but also had 2 (Duncan and Robinson) not 1 of the top picks for 2 of those titles.

Still 4 times or 1 team in 22 or 23 years so far is not a great track record.

Only because Shaq left. Shaq has four titles too. That's 8 out of 22. The consider that you have to be reasonable, that at least the six most recent draft picks haven't hit their peaks yet. Each one, except for Bogut, has a chance at a title. Then there's another few of that list that may yet get chances at NBA championships. Bad stat. Let's compare history after players retire, not while they're still young.
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8/9/2007  4:19 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

I could show plenty of guys drafted low that have made the nba finals or even won.

What's your point? NBA rosters have 15 players. Every team has a mix of stud players, good players, role players and bench warmers.
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Posted by COSSUCKS:

I could show plenty of guys drafted low that have made the nba finals or even won. Coming close is not the point of the thread. You either have won or you havent.


Here's a more Crazy stat for you Teams that have operated 30% or more above the NBA Salary Cap have won zero titles.


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Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

I could show plenty of guys drafted low that have made the nba finals or even won.

What's your point? NBA rosters have 15 players. Every team has a mix of stud players, good players, role players and bench warmers.

The point was that the stat Sports Illustrated posted was surprising. The post I responded to just seemed like a rationalization of that.

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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

I could show plenty of guys drafted low that have made the nba finals or even won. Coming close is not the point of the thread. You either have won or you havent.

Here's a more Crazy stat for you Teams that have operated 30% or more above the NBA Salary Cap have won zero titles.


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Not just that, teams with ick in their name haven't won a title in 34 years.

Btw, just to show how biased the presented stat was, they said the last 22 years. Of course in 1984, Hakeem Olajawon was drafted and he won some titles, didn't he? Somehow they managed to use a stat that excluded some of the big champions before that time.
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Posted by COSSUCKS:

The point was that the stat Sports Illustrated posted was surprising. The post I responded to just seemed like a rationalization of that.

How does mentioning that low drafted players have won titles before have anything to do with anything?

I think this is a silly rationalization for Isiah trading away high lottery picks.

[Edited by - Solace on Aug 09 2007 4:27 PM]
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

I could show plenty of guys drafted low that have made the nba finals or even won. Coming close is not the point of the thread. You either have won or you havent.

Here's a more Crazy stat for you Teams that have operated 30% or more above the NBA Salary Cap have won zero titles.


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Not just that, teams with ick in their name haven't won a title in 34 years.

Btw, just to show how biased the presented stat was, they said the last 22 years. Of course in 1984, Hakeem Olajawon was drafted and he won some titles, didn't he? Somehow they managed to use a stat that excluded some of the big champions before that time.

They said 20 years. I said 22-23 years so that bias would be on me although I dont see how it is bias. Ofcourse you go back to the last time it happened for another team to make it as accurate as possible. Duh.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

The point was that the stat Sports Illustrated posted was surprising. The post I responded to just seemed like a rationalization of that.

How does mentioning that low drafted players have won titles before have anything to do with anything?

I think this is a silly rationalization for Isiah trading away high lottery picks.

[Edited by - Solace on Aug 09 2007 4:27 PM]

The post wasnt even about lottery picks. The post was about #1 over all picks and I dont think Sports Illustrated had Isiah in mind when they put that stat in their magazine. In fact Isiah never has traded a #1 over all pick so that doesnt even make much sense.

I think you and your clones are just so filled with Isiah/Knick hatred that you look to turn every thread in to another way to bash the Knicks or Isiah

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 08-09-2007 4:33 PM]
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All this shows is that teams with the number one pick rarely pick the best player in the draft.

MJ should have been a number one pick.
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8/9/2007  4:34 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

I could show plenty of guys drafted low that have made the nba finals or even won. Coming close is not the point of the thread. You either have won or you havent.

Here's a more Crazy stat for you Teams that have operated 30% or more above the NBA Salary Cap have won zero titles.


GOD BLESS AND GOOD NIGHT!

Not just that, teams with ick in their name haven't won a title in 34 years.

Btw, just to show how biased the presented stat was, they said the last 22 years. Of course in 1984, Hakeem Olajawon was drafted and he won some titles, didn't he? Somehow they managed to use a stat that excluded some of the big champions before that time.


Yep Like Magic Johnson, Mark Aguire, James Worthy. How much has the NBA changed in the past 20yrs? Everything from expansion, to change in the lottery system, and the CBA obviously would change the outlook and climate of future statistics.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 08-09-2007 3:37 PM]
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Posted by COSSUCKS:

The post wasnt even about lottery picks. The post was about #1 over all picks and I dont think Sports Illustrated had Isiah in mind when they put that stat in their magazine. I think you and your clones are just so filled with Isiah/Knick hatre that you look to turn every thread in to another way to bash the Knicks or Isiah

Now they're my clones? Excellent.

I agree, that's not what it's about. So explain your comment about low draft players winning championships? It's a worthless comment because of course teams are going to have a mix of players. Yet, somehow you claimed it rationalized the point (which was presented in an extremely narrow view) that #1 picks don't win championships. What I am missing other than an extremely biased perception being presented? I can only assume your motives based on past history.
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Posted by franco12:

All this shows is that teams with the number one pick rarely pick the best player in the draft.

MJ should have been a number one pick.


Agreed this stat is exposing GM's nothing more.
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