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TrueBlue
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7/31/2007  6:53 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2007/07/

July 31, 2007
Garnett Puts Damper on Knicks' Playoff Plans

Kevin Garnett’s deal with Boston includes a five-year, $105 million extension, according to sources, which means that over his career Garnett has signed three separate contracts worth $100-plus million.

It’s also bad news for both the Knicks and Nets, two Atlantic Division teams that have coveted Garnett for years.

Dallas, Chicago, Cleveland and the Lakers all made last-ditch efforts to acquire Garnett before losing out to Boston. The Knicks were told last month that they didn’t have the assets to land Garnett, which has to be a bitter pill for Thomas to swallow.

It also didn’t hurt the Celtics that Danny Ainge and Kevin McHale have been boys for years. The joke among league GM's is that McHale only talks to two or three executives and in fact this is the second major deal McHale has orchestrated with his old team.

Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Garnett are a formidable trio but it doesn’t necessarily make the Celtics an instant contender. Think about it: all three played for teams that failed to reach the playoffs last year.

But Garnett’s arrival in Boston will make it difficult for the Knicks to qualify for the playoffs. Toronto, New Jersey and Boston all look better than the Knicks. And let’s not forget that Philadelphia, despite trading Iverson in December, finished ahead of the Knicks last season.


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Remember our assets are more attractive and we can offer better packages than anyone else.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-31-2007 5:58 PM]
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7/31/2007  6:59 PM
If I am Dolan, I am asking Isiah why he couldn't get this done...how many expiring deals have passed thru this team? how many draft picks forked over?

we place a premium on so many players on this team that are late picks with limitations...and you look at a team like the celts now and we wont trade some of these younger guys on rookie deals to get better? isiah is going to start rethinking his plans for this team...no player should ever be untouchable.

where is Nixluva today? we need the spin to "enlighten" us.

Isiah is weeping somewhere...
TrueBlue
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7/31/2007  7:04 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

If I am Dolan, I am asking Isiah why he couldn't get this done...how many expiring deals have passed thru this team? how many draft picks forked over?

we place a premium on so many players on this team that are late picks with limitations...and you look at a team like the celts now and we wont trade some of these younger guys on rookie deals to get better? isiah is going to start rethinking his plans for this team...no player should ever be untouchable.

where is Nixluva today? we need the spin to "enlighten" us.

Isiah is weeping somewhere...

So far I SAY UGH is 0-6 in my book.... players who you thought this team was looking to acquire but hasn't.

Here's who we were supposedly in the running to get but bombed on so far

O'Neal
Artest
Kobe
Garnett
Allen
Lewis


He over reaches for Zach though(SMH RME)

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7/31/2007  7:12 PM
KG is 6 years older than Curry. If Isiah wants to base this team around a group of players around the same age, that makes sense to me. Right now this team is built for the longhaul. Boston has a window of about 3-4 years and we have a window of about 6-8 years.

Congrats to Ainge. He was fortunate in that he was able to trade for Allen and then go back to Minny and convince KG to come. That has nothing to do with us and our plans for this teams future.
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7/31/2007  7:26 PM
Isiah has now been caught as a bold-faced liar.


He told us we were stockpiling assets to land that one big player.


Zach Randolph, my friends, is not "that one big player". He has the same value ON THE COURT as a Richard Jefferson or Lamar Odom....aka Borderline All-Star, but not much else, even in the Leastern Conference.



And don't you need expiring contracts like Boston had to land a franchise player......and yet he cut two valuable expirings in Jalen and Mo.



AND to top it off, he's said he's rebuilding, and yet if you look at our starting lineup (all veterans), AND our cap situation (essentially phucked), I think it's safe to say Isiah is the biggest fabricator ever.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2007  7:33 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Isiah has now been caught as a bold-faced liar.


He told us we were stockpiling assets to land that one big player.


Zach Randolph, my friends, is not "that one big player". He has the same value ON THE COURT as a Richard Jefferson or Lamar Odom....aka Borderline All-Star, but not much else, even in the Leastern Conference.



And don't you need expiring contracts like Boston had to land a franchise player......and yet he cut two valuable expirings in Jalen and Mo.



AND to top it off, he's said he's rebuilding, and yet if you look at our starting lineup (all veterans), AND our cap situation (essentially phucked), I think it's safe to say Isiah is the biggest fabricator ever.

I really don't understand you at all. Zach doesn't have to be named an All Star. We just need him to play like one for us. He's a good young stud that we can pair with our other young studs.

What exactly is your point about the vets on the SL. We did rebuild the team with more youth than we've had in a long time. They don't have to be all fresh out of college. You can't win like that.
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7/31/2007  7:34 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Isiah has now been caught as a bold-faced liar.


He told us we were stockpiling assets to land that one big player.


Zach Randolph, my friends, is not "that one big player". He has the same value ON THE COURT as a Richard Jefferson or Lamar Odom....aka Borderline All-Star, but not much else, even in the Leastern Conference.



And don't you need expiring contracts like Boston had to land a franchise player......and yet he cut two valuable expirings in Jalen and Mo.



AND to top it off, he's said he's rebuilding, and yet if you look at our starting lineup (all veterans), AND our cap situation (essentially phucked), I think it's safe to say Isiah is the biggest fabricator ever.

our entire starting lineup is in its mid twenties ( sans marbs) so what u saying?

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7/31/2007  7:34 PM
Posted by nixluva:

KG is 6 years older than Curry. If Isiah wants to base this team around a group of players around the same age, that makes sense to me. Right now this team is built for the longhaul. Boston has a window of about 3-4 years and we have a window of about 6-8 years.

Congrats to Ainge. He was fortunate in that he was able to trade for Allen and then go back to Minny and convince KG to come. That has nothing to do with us and our plans for this teams future.

That's not what was told to us when certain trades were made. Why do you as a fan allow so much room for variation from what was told to us? Is it ok for us to say that I SAY UGH lies or pacifies to buy time or get to the next moment?

Like if he blows up the youth at the trade deadline what would that indicate Luva as to what his plan was?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-31-2007 6:36 PM]
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7/31/2007  7:52 PM
That's interesting- I guess Curry wasn't part of a potential package? If he was that says a lot about his value. I would've built a deal around Curry for Garnett any day...
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7/31/2007  8:26 PM
The difference is us HOPING Zach or Eddy can be All-Stars.....instead of EXPECTING IT.


That's how low the bar has been set.


We HOPE we get to the playoffs next season, when any good team expects it outright.


We suck, plain and simple.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2007  8:59 PM
People need to stop jerking off to the KG deal. This deal only went down because the GMs were former players of the Celtics and that is the only reason. I don't see how Isiah has failed anyone when the only team that KG was going to go to was the Celtics. As for Isiah saying he is building assets to land that one big free agent, I think he said that after getting Randolph. People have no friggin patients. Everyone needs to take a chill pill quick before you lose it. This KG deal is big but it ain't gonna put the Celtics over the top. Basketball is a game about desire and the team that has the most of it usually wins thats what the playoffs are all about. The Knicks are every bit as talented as the Celtics but they need to work on the desire aspect of basketball do they want it bad enough. If a team wants it bad enough and the talent level is there the team is going to win games there are no ifs and but about it.
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7/31/2007  10:50 PM
Posted by nixluva:

KG is 6 years older than Curry. If Isiah wants to base this team around a group of players around the same age, that makes sense to me. Right now this team is built for the longhaul. Boston has a window of about 3-4 years and we have a window of about 6-8 years.

Congrats to Ainge. He was fortunate in that he was able to trade for Allen and then go back to Minny and convince KG to come. That has nothing to do with us and our plans for this teams future.

A 6-8 year window for what? Competing at the bottom half of the conference? Because that's what we're set up for the forseeable future.

The Celtics have a 3-4 year window for championship contention. I'd take that over our 6-8 year window anyday
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7/31/2007  11:02 PM
A window of 6-8 years?!?!?

Who the hell doesn't have a window of 6-8 years?!?

Even the Celtics have a window of 6-8 years after the first 3 are over with KG.

Built for what longhaul? A longhaul of mediocrity?

You're starting to lose it nixluva. Seriously reaching.
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7/31/2007  11:07 PM
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7/31/2007  11:14 PM
Like I've been saying. The Knicks are quantity over quality. Nobody is interested in giving up their quality players for the Knicks low ceiling players. No matter how many the Knicks offer.

The only thing the Knicks can trade for are other teams garbage. Zach, Curry, Crawford, Francis, Rose, Q, Marbury... Even JJ2 was a player that his former team no longer wanted but Isiah overpaid for him as a free agent. Isiah even included a poison pill in Jeffries contract that only makes him even more untradeable. Pure genius.
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7/31/2007  11:16 PM
You guys make me laugh if you think Zach and Curry is going to take this team somewhere. Give me a break! They're a joke! Can't play defense if their lives depend on it.


Celtics went out and did what they had to do.

Even though the window of opportunity for the Celts is 3 to 4 yrs, at least they'll be competing for a championship. Unlike the knicks, I won't be surprise if we hit the lottery again
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7/31/2007  11:34 PM
Posted by nixluva:

KG is 6 years older than Curry. If Isiah wants to base this team around a group of players around the same age, that makes sense to me. Right now this team is built for the longhaul. Boston has a window of about 3-4 years and we have a window of about 6-8 years.

Congrats to Ainge. He was fortunate in that he was able to trade for Allen and then go back to Minny and convince KG to come. That has nothing to do with us and our plans for this teams future.

So our plan is to collect players of same age... Hmmm....
Interesting why it is important... Let me think...
I guess for young players everything is in the future... So Isiah can have his extension secured.
Logical enoug.




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7/31/2007  11:37 PM
I think we should go for players who are all 20 years old so we can have a window of ten years.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-31-2007 23:37]
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7/31/2007  11:45 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think we should go for players who are all 20 years old so we can have a window of ten years.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-31-2007 23:37]

And then we can throw Isiah out of this window
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8/1/2007  12:26 AM
Eh, I'm about as good as Dan Dickau, 6-1, 170+...


Seeing as how the Knicks haven't put an onus on actually winnning, they might as well cut him and sign me to the vet min.


Hell, I'll take even less than that.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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