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blueNorange
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7/26/2007  8:39 AM
Got this from ChanningFrye.com ... I don't know about you but it seems like he's knocking us.
Thank You, NY!

Within hours of the trade the C. Frye Fan Club members were sending emails of good wishes and regrets. I loved the experience and learned a lot, but with any new job, you embrace it, accept it, and move on proudly.

And now, I’m moving to a new city, in a new direction, with a new beginning! I am excited about my future, the new opportunity, and playing with the Portland Trail Blazers for a long time to come!

I know they have a great owner in Paul Allen, a strong front office led by their GM, Kevin Pritchard, and a players’ coach in Nate McMillan.

I am really excited about playing with Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, and all the other great young players up there. And, playing in a running system in the West is always a good thing.

I think you all will like what you see next season!!!!

Catch you soon on the new Trails (ha ha) ...

C. Frye
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7/26/2007  8:41 AM
Good riddance.
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7/26/2007  9:10 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Good riddance.

Concur. Nice guy, good attitude, not an NBA starter quality player, though. Definitely a bust. Weird how many now feel that a potentially good trade by Isiah has covered for a bad draft pick by Isiah, in this case. Interesting.

P.S.: Before the Isiah defenders come out, I wasn't knocking Isiah.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 26 2007 09:10 AM]
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7/26/2007  9:19 AM
There's nothing wrong with Frye in terms of his talent. He wasn't a bad pick in that regard. He wasn't what we needed tho. He looks like a guy that's tailor made for the West. He could fit in on a team like the Suns as well. They tried to see if he could develop more of a traditional PF game and it didn't happen, so in the end we were able to trade him for someone that we feel will give us more of what we need. Some call him a bust, but it's more like he wasn't a good fit.
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7/26/2007  9:20 AM
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with Frye in terms of his talent. He wasn't a bad pick in that regard. He wasn't what we needed tho. He looks like a guy that's tailor made for the West. He could fit in on a team like the Suns as well. They tried to see if he could develop more of a traditional PF game and it didn't happen, so in the end we were able to trade him for someone that we feel will give us more of what we need. Some call him a bust, but it's more like he wasn't a good fit.

what about him wasn't "what we needed?" what do/did we need?
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7/26/2007  9:23 AM
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with Frye in terms of his talent. He wasn't a bad pick in that regard. He wasn't what we needed tho. He looks like a guy that's tailor made for the West. He could fit in on a team like the Suns as well. They tried to see if he could develop more of a traditional PF game and it didn't happen, so in the end we were able to trade him for someone that we feel will give us more of what we need. Some call him a bust, but it's more like he wasn't a good fit.

You're right he wasn't what we needed. He wasn't NBA ready(even after 4 years of college) and he was picked about 8-10 spots too high. We needed a better basketball player.
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7/26/2007  9:33 AM

Why Good riddence?

One coach makes him the steal of the draft, the next makes him look like a flop.

I wish Channing the best of luck and hopes he succeeds in Portland.

What is most important is not how he does, but how Zach does in NY!

Channing can be an allstar for all I care, but if Zach succeeds here and the team improves then its a big win-win for all!

Its like the Eddy trade. It does not matter how bulls picks do, its how Eddy does here.

I'll root for Naye Nate on the kings also!
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7/26/2007  9:46 AM
i still want to know what the f happened to channing last year. i don't think it was just the way isiah used him. did that leg injury carry over? was he being timid and receding on the court? did he read eny's threads about him?

i had the guy as a future all-star after his rookie year and then last year he was indistinguishable form jared jeffries on the court.

it will be very interesting to see what happens with him this year. there have certainly been plenty of guys who look great their rookie years and then go downhill from there (er . . . mike sweetney, frank williams).
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7/26/2007  9:59 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with Frye in terms of his talent. He wasn't a bad pick in that regard. He wasn't what we needed tho. He looks like a guy that's tailor made for the West. He could fit in on a team like the Suns as well. They tried to see if he could develop more of a traditional PF game and it didn't happen, so in the end we were able to trade him for someone that we feel will give us more of what we need. Some call him a bust, but it's more like he wasn't a good fit.

You're right he wasn't what we needed. He wasn't NBA ready(even after 4 years of college) and he was picked about 8-10 spots too high. We needed a better basketball player.

I thought 20 slots too high, at the time of the draft. One could argue that someone like Dan Gadzuric has a higher skill set. Andrew Bynum... *sigh*
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7/26/2007  10:04 AM
I really think it was the way Isiah used him, plus the added muscle that he put on. He just didn't look as athletic as he did his first year in the leauge and wasn't jumping as high.......

One thing you have to look for its all about using the player the right way. Look at a Matt Barnes he was a journeyman and find the right system and looked like a very solid player last season. Doug Christie couldn't get off the knicks bench and was awesome for the kings for a long time.....

Channing suffered because Isiah really fell short in the coaching department last season. Frye was not a good fit next to Eddy and his game suffered, he was used as a decoy and his spacing was all wrong. He rarely got a play set up for him and should have been used with the second unit at the center spot where he could get shots in rythm. It's too bad we couldn't have traded him a season before....
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7/26/2007  10:24 AM
Hey don't get me wrong. Channing seemed like wonderful guy and he worked hard, but the results werent there and I don't think he will ever live up to that #8 pick.

Therefore, Good Riddance.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-26-2007 10:29 AM]
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7/26/2007  10:26 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Hey don't get me wrong. Channing seemed like wonderful guy and he worked hard, but the results werent there and I don't think he will ever live up to that #7 pick.

Therefore, Good Riddance.

I don't think he'll ever live up to the #7 pick, mostly because he was picked with the #8.
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7/26/2007  10:29 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Hey don't get me wrong. Channing seemed like wonderful guy and he worked hard, but the results werent there and I don't think he will ever live up to that #7 pick.

Therefore, Good Riddance.

I don't think he'll ever live up to the #7 pick, mostly because he was picked with the #8.

Maybe I should have looked at what I was typing.
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7/26/2007  10:30 AM
He'll be a good backup at best. I think that if Lee were picked where we got Frye and Frye were picked where we got Lee, then they would both justify their picks.
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7/26/2007  10:36 AM
Does Isiah have to take some of the blame because he was the coach? Absolutely. But Frye's decline last season is not all on Isiah's shoulders. Frye struggled most of the second half of his rookie season, save for a few games here and there. The league simply caught up to him.

The scouting report on Frye says he cant put the ball on the floor. The past season, the opposition pressed up on him, forcing him further away from the basket (looking for shooting space) and a bit out of his range. He hs an okay right hand hook, but because he lacks strenght and aleft hand, he sturggled in the paint when he went up against bigger opponent. Watching Frye try to back down some of his opponents, was like watching him try to post uu against a brick wall.

I blame Isiah for not picking and popping more with Frye, but other than that, the rest is on Frye. He's supposed to more than just a pick and pop player.
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7/26/2007  10:41 AM
The kid is gonna threaten to make the all star team this year. I feel it in my bones.
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7/26/2007  10:48 AM
Posted by Marv:

i still want to know what the f happened to channing last year. i don't think it was just the way isiah used him. did that leg injury carry over? was he being timid and receding on the court? did he read eny's threads about him?

i had the guy as a future all-star after his rookie year and then last year he was indistinguishable form jared jeffries on the court.

it will be very interesting to see what happens with him this year. there have certainly been plenty of guys who look great their rookie years and then go downhill from there (er . . . mike sweetney, frank williams).

Good question and I guess we can find out soon enough this season if McMillon uses him in a different way. Im think Larry had the kid running a bit and he can finish pretty good. And if he was pushed out a bit his shot lost some zip.
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7/26/2007  10:49 AM
I think there were a few factors of why Frye did not play well.

1) He never really played good after his injury his first season. To top it off after an injury the last thing you need to do is gain weight. Gaining Weight makes no sense at all. Especially with a player like Frye who was already stiff, and was not really that athletic. Being quick on your feet gives you an advantage.

2) It was his second year. During Frye's first year there was no real scouting reports. In Fyre's second year more teams developed tapes, and players watch video's on how to stop a player. I'm sure teams figure one way to stop the Knicks is to stop Frye by looking for his jumpshot. Not only did Frye not add anything to his game,, but he was not moblie. He stayed in one place. If your shot is not working crash the boards. Move around so defensive player has to work hard reguardless if your shot is going in or not. Frye became useless on the defensive and the offensive end. Whoever was guarding Frye their life was made easy. Because our opponents did not have to work hard on the offensive or defensive end. Really last year with Frye on the court we were playing 4 against 5. To make things worse, Frye did not even develop a good head fake. If a player is going to only take jumpers at least have a good head fake to fool your opponents.


Even with Michael Doleac he would at least move around the basket. He would not just depend on his jumpshot. He will need Fake and drive if it was there.

I remember Frye's first year I said Kurt Thomas was better for this team and got blasted. We will see what will happens to Frye.

[Edited by - BigC on 07-26-2007 11:19 AM]
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7/26/2007  10:55 AM
Posted by Marv:

i still want to know what the f happened to channing last year. i don't think it was just the way isiah used him. did that leg injury carry over? was he being timid and receding on the court? did he read eny's threads about him?

i had the guy as a future all-star after his rookie year and then last year he was indistinguishable form jared jeffries on the court.

it will be very interesting to see what happens with him this year. there have certainly been plenty of guys who look great their rookie years and then go downhill from there (er . . . mike sweetney, frank williams).

You want to know why? Because Isiah is a terrible coach. There I said it.
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Posted by MS:

I really think it was the way Isiah used him, plus the added muscle that he put on. He just didn't look as athletic as he did his first year in the leauge and wasn't jumping as high.......

One thing you have to look for its all about using the player the right way. Look at a Matt Barnes he was a journeyman and find the right system and looked like a very solid player last season. Doug Christie couldn't get off the knicks bench and was awesome for the kings for a long time.....

Channing suffered because Isiah really fell short in the coaching department last season. Frye was not a good fit next to Eddy and his game suffered, he was used as a decoy and his spacing was all wrong. He rarely got a play set up for him and should have been used with the second unit at the center spot where he could get shots in rythm. It's too bad we couldn't have traded him a season before....

Frye suffered because of himself and his ablity to do noting else. How many times did you see Frye just stand still? Lee and Balkman do not stand still and they both have no outside shot at all. However Lee and Balkman understand if you move around or cut to the basket good things will happen. Even when Eddy was out of the lineup Frye did nothing. All he did was still take jumpshots and never drive to the hole. Then when he tried to postup you have guys like Luol Deng pushing him out of the low post.
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