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Should Any Knick Be On Team USA?
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TrueBlue
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7/23/2007  9:55 PM
I was watching this sports segment making points that maybe Curry or a player like David Lee should be on it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIMrL4qXtJ0&mode=related&search=

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-23-2007 9:00 PM]
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7/23/2007  10:15 PM
No, none of them deserve to be on the team. They have improved and showed promise for a 33 win team that is trying to turn the corner. Representing the United states is another thing.
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7/23/2007  10:26 PM
I can see zach going out there. A dude like Elton went and the only thing he does stat wise that zach doesn't is block shots.

Curry isn't ready yet. Curry isn't aggressive or automatic enough. He's good but he isn't a guy that polished enough to fit in an elite situation like that. He's almost there though.

I wouldn't mind seeing lee, or even Crawford one day.

Who knows? If the knicks make the playoffs next year those guys could very well get the opportunity.
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7/23/2007  10:42 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I can see zach going out there. A dude like Elton went and the only thing he does stat wise that zach doesn't is block shots.

Curry isn't ready yet. Curry isn't aggressive or automatic enough. He's good but he isn't a guy that polished enough to fit in an elite situation like that. He's almost there though.

I wouldn't mind seeing lee, or even Crawford one day.

Who knows? If the knicks make the playoffs next year those guys could very well get the opportunity.

Yep.
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7/23/2007  11:12 PM
No way. We need people who can defend and hit their open shots. Especially given the way the international game is played. Even if CUrry played D they would do him just like Tim Duncan. Lee is nice and would complement the rest of the Team USA squad well I'm sure, but there have got to better choices in the NBA then him.
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7/23/2007  11:17 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I can see zach going out there. A dude like Elton went and the only thing he does stat wise that zach doesn't is block shots.

Curry isn't ready yet. Curry isn't aggressive or automatic enough. He's good but he isn't a guy that polished enough to fit in an elite situation like that. He's almost there though.

I wouldn't mind seeing lee, or even Crawford one day.

Who knows? If the knicks make the playoffs next year those guys could very well get the opportunity.

Why are guys like Tyson Chandler, Durant, Mike Killer, JJ Redick ready and Curry isn't?

Most of the guys I named are specialists. Either Defensive specialists or shooters. If you look at team USA, the one ingredient they are missing is a go-to back to the basket player in the paint. Curry can't do a lot of things, but the one thing he can do well, is get you a high percentage basket in the paint. Most of the players on the roster are face up players.
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7/23/2007  11:31 PM
Curry and international ball don't mix. If you want to pound it inside then fine, but what are you going to do when Eddy's man is spotting up for the 18 footer?
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7/23/2007  11:34 PM
You only put someone like Curry on team USA if the intention is to lose.

Curry's primadonna "I don't need to try on defense" attitude would hurt the cause.
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7/23/2007  11:49 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by EnySpree:

I can see zach going out there. A dude like Elton went and the only thing he does stat wise that zach doesn't is block shots.

Curry isn't ready yet. Curry isn't aggressive or automatic enough. He's good but he isn't a guy that polished enough to fit in an elite situation like that. He's almost there though.

I wouldn't mind seeing lee, or even Crawford one day.

Who knows? If the knicks make the playoffs next year those guys could very well get the opportunity.

Why are guys like Tyson Chandler, Durant, Mike Killer, JJ Redick ready and Curry isn't?

Most of the guys I named are specialists. Either Defensive specialists or shooters. If you look at team USA, the one ingredient they are missing is a go-to back to the basket player in the paint. Curry can't do a lot of things, but the one thing he can do well, is get you a high percentage basket in the paint. Most of the players on the roster are face up players.

Are you serious? Curry should probably be the last Knick to be considered ready for Team USA. Even JJ can play defense and clog the middle. Curry is completely useless other than if you want to stifle ball movement and have a black hole in the middle.

Curry's lack of hustle and effort would become glaring when playing with guys who actually do play hard. He probably wouldn't make it out of the very first practice. I doubt those players would find it worth their time to help Curry finish drills.
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7/24/2007  2:06 AM
I don't remember what the team USA roster is going to look like, but if we have shotblockers and some guys who can shoot, defend and feed the post, then Curry would actually be absolutely perfect, b/c all they will need from him is to score in the post to draw doubles, and everyone would be able to make up for all of his other deficiencies. Kinda like what the Knicks should be doing.

Just remember, when we were winning gold medals, it was all stars, but everyone had specific roles to perform as opposed to being stars on the team, besides a couple of guys. It worked out perfectly for us, but that hasn't been what we've been doing the last few years, hence, no medals.

Like I said, if he has the right players surrounding him, he'd be perfect for team USA, b/c you can never get enough low post scorers. However, if it's going to be a "Me First team" with a lot less concentration on defense, forget about adding Curry. He wont be the cause of our losses, but he sure wont be of any use.

Same thing with David Lee. If they want to bring in a guy who can only, and just only forcus on rebounding and hustling and playing tough defense, then Lee is a nice option, if he's got the right players around him, like Curry.

Oh yeah, I'm a hater, yet I'm saying this. I guess I meant CURRY SUCKS!
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7/24/2007  2:24 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by EnySpree:

I can see zach going out there. A dude like Elton went and the only thing he does stat wise that zach doesn't is block shots.

Curry isn't ready yet. Curry isn't aggressive or automatic enough. He's good but he isn't a guy that polished enough to fit in an elite situation like that. He's almost there though.

I wouldn't mind seeing lee, or even Crawford one day.

Who knows? If the knicks make the playoffs next year those guys could very well get the opportunity.

Why are guys like Tyson Chandler, Durant, Mike Killer, JJ Redick ready and Curry isn't?

Most of the guys I named are specialists. Either Defensive specialists or shooters. If you look at team USA, the one ingredient they are missing is a go-to back to the basket player in the paint. Curry can't do a lot of things, but the one thing he can do well, is get you a high percentage basket in the paint. Most of the players on the roster are face up players.

Are you serious? Curry should probably be the last Knick to be considered ready for Team USA. Even JJ can play defense and clog the middle. Curry is completely useless other than if you want to stifle ball movement and have a black hole in the middle.

Curry's lack of hustle and effort would become glaring when playing with guys who actually do play hard. He probably wouldn't make it out of the very first practice. I doubt those players would find it worth their time to help Curry finish drills.


Come on Isles, you make sound like Eddy stands around on the defensive side of the ball, bent by the waist with his hands on his knees just watching the action. He gives effort.

So your telling me that Curry cant excell with Dwight Howard and Tayshaun Prince on the front line with him? With legit PG's in J Kidd and D Williams setting him up with easy baskets? There is no way Curry becomes a blackhole on a team with Kobe, Melo, Lebron, Wade etc., because those guys will take the majority of the shots. Curry will be a situational player. When the team is struggling from the outside, Curry can be an option to get a few high % shots in the paint. Curry would have also come in handy when team USA lost to Greece. The big man destroyed them last yr. Curry could get the guy in foul trouble aswell as give team USA a legit big man to lean on the big man from Greece.

I know the hate for Curry on this board is pretty high, but Curry has a skill that not many American big man have anymore, and thats playing with your back to the basket.
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7/24/2007  2:26 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I don't remember what the team USA roster is going to look like, but if we have shotblockers and some guys who can shoot, defend and feed the post, then Curry would actually be absolutely perfect, b/c all they will need from him is to score in the post to draw doubles, and everyone would be able to make up for all of his other deficiencies. Kinda like what the Knicks should be doing.

Just remember, when we were winning gold medals, it was all stars, but everyone had specific roles to perform as opposed to being stars on the team, besides a couple of guys. It worked out perfectly for us, but that hasn't been what we've been doing the last few years, hence, no medals.

Like I said, if he has the right players surrounding him, he'd be perfect for team USA, b/c you can never get enough low post scorers. However, if it's going to be a "Me First team" with a lot less concentration on defense, forget about adding Curry. He wont be the cause of our losses, but he sure wont be of any use.

Same thing with David Lee. If they want to bring in a guy who can only, and just only forcus on rebounding and hustling and playing tough defense, then Lee is a nice option, if he's got the right players around him, like Curry.

Oh yeah, I'm a hater, yet I'm saying this. I guess I meant CURRY SUCKS!

Spoken like a man who actually tried to reason as opposed to crack jokes or just shoot down the idea because of a dislike for the player. Very well said.

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7/24/2007  8:19 AM
Who cares, most players View this as a chore and we are losing with "better" players any way.........
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7/24/2007  8:41 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Allanfan20:

I don't remember what the team USA roster is going to look like, but if we have shotblockers and some guys who can shoot, defend and feed the post, then Curry would actually be absolutely perfect, b/c all they will need from him is to score in the post to draw doubles, and everyone would be able to make up for all of his other deficiencies. Kinda like what the Knicks should be doing.

Just remember, when we were winning gold medals, it was all stars, but everyone had specific roles to perform as opposed to being stars on the team, besides a couple of guys. It worked out perfectly for us, but that hasn't been what we've been doing the last few years, hence, no medals.

Like I said, if he has the right players surrounding him, he'd be perfect for team USA, b/c you can never get enough low post scorers. However, if it's going to be a "Me First team" with a lot less concentration on defense, forget about adding Curry. He wont be the cause of our losses, but he sure wont be of any use.

Same thing with David Lee. If they want to bring in a guy who can only, and just only forcus on rebounding and hustling and playing tough defense, then Lee is a nice option, if he's got the right players around him, like Curry.

Oh yeah, I'm a hater, yet I'm saying this. I guess I meant CURRY SUCKS!

Spoken like a man who actually tried to reason as opposed to crack jokes or just shoot down the idea because of a dislike for the player. Very well said.

It would be a good post, except that Curry fitting on a balanced team USA is crap (no offense). Team USA is supposed to built around players with team-first attitudes. Eddy Curry is nearly the anthesis of this. To say Curry is a good fit because team USA has team players, which can cover Curry's flaws is like saying an D is a good grade because all your other grades are As. Not true! Curry isn't a good fit for one reason -- if you put Curry on the team, the opponents have a feast when playing against him. I mean winning teams don't usually select guys who intentionally move out of the way on defense to preserve energy, but hey... maybe Curry can actually be motivated to try for team USA, right?
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7/24/2007  8:54 AM
Yes- if only for the ratings.

Team USA played some games? I wouldn't know and I don't care- I enjoyed watching summer league because it was my team (or picks).

If they put curry, lee or balkman on Team USA, then I know we'd be at least watching the highlights. I ain't even doing that.
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7/24/2007  8:56 AM
Posted by Solace:


It would be a good post, except that Curry fitting on a balanced team USA is crap (no offense). Team USA is supposed to built around players with team-first attitudes. Eddy Curry is nearly the anthesis of this. To say Curry is a good fit because team USA has team players, which can cover Curry's flaws is like saying an D is a good grade because all your other grades are As. Not true! Curry isn't a good fit for one reason -- if you put Curry on the team, the opponents have a feast when playing against him. I mean winning teams don't usually select guys who intentionally move out of the way on defense to preserve energy, but hey... maybe Curry can actually be motivated to try for team USA, right?

To be honest, I don't think Curry intentionally doesn't hustle. I think it's just something that he didnt have to do in high-school since he was probably coddled beyond belief by coaches. When you don't learn to hustle in high-school, you usually learn it in college and when you don't goto college, it's that much harder to do in the NBA when you've never done it before. I really think Curry just kind of plays the game he thinks is right and thinks he's playing 100% even though its evident when watching him that he's not giving a ton of effort on D. He just never learned how to play D and he never acquired that instinct in high-school or college and it's kinda hard to do in the NBA when guys can score on you even when you play good defense. I would bet that when Curry came into the league he gave effort defensively but he was routinely scored on(just because guys are that good and he didnt know how to play D) and that really disappointed him.
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7/24/2007  9:11 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:


It would be a good post, except that Curry fitting on a balanced team USA is crap (no offense). Team USA is supposed to built around players with team-first attitudes. Eddy Curry is nearly the anthesis of this. To say Curry is a good fit because team USA has team players, which can cover Curry's flaws is like saying an D is a good grade because all your other grades are As. Not true! Curry isn't a good fit for one reason -- if you put Curry on the team, the opponents have a feast when playing against him. I mean winning teams don't usually select guys who intentionally move out of the way on defense to preserve energy, but hey... maybe Curry can actually be motivated to try for team USA, right?

To be honest, I don't think Curry intentionally doesn't hustle. I think it's just something that he didnt have to do in high-school since he was probably coddled beyond belief by coaches. When you don't learn to hustle in high-school, you usually learn it in college and when you don't goto college, it's that much harder to do in the NBA when you've never done it before. I really think Curry just kind of plays the game he thinks is right and thinks he's playing 100% even though its evident when watching him that he's not giving a ton of effort on D. He just never learned how to play D and he never acquired that instinct in high-school or college and it's kinda hard to do in the NBA when guys can score on you even when you play good defense. I would bet that when Curry came into the league he gave effort defensively but he was routinely scored on(just because guys are that good and he didnt know how to play D) and that really disappointed him.

You may be right. That being said, a player under those conditions is not a fit for team USA. That's not to say that team USA would be instantly pwned the moment Curry joined the team, but simply that there are much much better options. I don't think even think Eddy Curry would be considered. That's not hating; that's just reality. His interior game is killer, but so are his flaws.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 24 2007 09:13 AM]
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7/24/2007  9:17 AM
Posted by Solace:



You may be right. That being said, a player under those conditions is not a fit for team USA. That's not to say that team USA would be instantly pwned the moment Curry joined the team, but simply that there are much much better options. I don't think even think Eddy Curry would be considered. That's not hating; that's just reality. His interior game is killer, but so are his flaws.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 24 2007 09:13 AM]
No doubt man. He's not a fit for TeamUSA, there are better options.

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7/24/2007  9:19 AM
Okafur is better than curry, about half the league is better for a team than curry, the usa can get scoring from any number of positions they don't need a one dimensional center that is out of shape.......

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7/24/2007  9:27 AM
We got killed by International teams on the pick and pop. Our inability to stop the shooters on the pick and pop was our downfall. Adding Curry would kill us in that regard.
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