[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

OT: Is Presti Putting On A Clinic?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
7/21/2007  1:15 PM
As a GM

Wow first yr on the job and the guy isn't F'N around

Seattle Not Done Dealing
July 21, 2007 - 12:02 pm

Seattle Times -
With 14 players under contract and the payroll at $63.4 million next season, Seattle is over the $55.6 million salary cap, though well below the $67.9 million luxury tax threshold that requires teams to pay a dollar per dollar penalty.

If GM Sam Presti continues tinkering — and every indication shows he will — then he'll have to do it with more trades or by using the $5.4 million mid-level exception.

There's also a possibility the Sonics will trade either Luke Ridnour or Earl Watson because both point guards share similar skills, were disappointing last season and have three years left on contracts.

Presti has never mentioned a four- or five-year plan, but it's clear he's building for the future. The Sonics have five first-round draft choices in the next three years and will have in excess of $30 million in salary cap room before the 2009-10 season.


If we could just turn back the clock 4yrs.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:26 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
AUTOADVERT
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
7/21/2007  1:29 PM
Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
7/21/2007  1:35 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquiring picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:41 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
bigbeast
Posts: 22333
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 12/21/2005
Member: #1060
7/21/2007  1:42 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquire picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

Of course you would. Isn't that the whole point of this thread?



[Edited by - bigbeast on 21-07-2007 1:42 PM]
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/21/2007  1:44 PM
Well the irony is the guy got two future first rounders for $8 million. Our GM got one first rounder for $34 million. True is right on with this one.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
7/21/2007  1:45 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquiring picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:41 PM]

But isn't Seattle in a win now mode despite what they want to do?
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
7/21/2007  1:45 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquire picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

Of course you would. Isn't that the whole point of this thread?



[Edited by - bigbeast on 21-07-2007 1:42 PM]



No it was to show how fast the groundwork can be laid to rebuild a franchise by acquiring picks and cap space at the same time. Many fans here say it's impossible to do.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/21/2007  1:47 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquiring picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:41 PM]

But isn't Seattle in a win now mode despite what they want to do?

They were terrible last year. They lost Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but added a lot, including Durant, Green and KT. I'm not sure they'll be much worse, if at all worse. There was no possibility of turning it all around in 1-2 years in Seattle. Their GM correctly acknowledged that and, so far, has made the appropriate moves.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
7/21/2007  1:51 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquiring picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:41 PM]

But isn't Seattle in a win now mode despite what they want to do?

They were terrible last year. They lost Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but added a lot, including Durant, Green and KT. I'm not sure they'll be much worse, if at all worse. There was no possibility of turning it all around in 1-2 years in Seattle. Their GM correctly acknowledged that and, so far, has made the appropriate moves.

So the mandate is no longer get better by next year? I am asking because all reports during the season was that ownership wanted to get better by next season to keep the franchise in Seattle. Has that change or is there a possible move to a new city that I am unaware of?
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
bigbeast
Posts: 22333
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 12/21/2005
Member: #1060
7/21/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquire picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

Of course you would. Isn't that the whole point of this thread?



[Edited by - bigbeast on 21-07-2007 1:42 PM]



No it was to show how fast the groundwork can be laid to rebuild a franchise by acquiring picks and cap space at the same time. Many fans here say it's impossible to do.


It also didn't hurt that through the luck of the ping-pong-balls they ended up with the 2nd pick in a draft that literally had two legit Number #1 picks. That made Prestis's job alot easier, no?
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
7/21/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquiring picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:41 PM]

But isn't Seattle in a win now mode despite what they want to do?


If you're implying that's what we've been doing the past 4yrs, record and trades that were made said otherwise. Even if that's the perception outside of the scheme you don't deviate from the scheme to satisfy the perception.

Seattle is in total rebuild mode that's why Allen and Lewis were shown the door. And/Or Ridnour, Wilcox, Watson are next. According to the moves made Seattle is targeting 2009-2010 or 2010-2011 when Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and Melo may possibly be free agents. Chances are always slim to land those kind of players and surely if it is done it will come at a cost, but nevertheless they are positioning themselves to have a shot at accomplishing it.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 1:20 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
7/21/2007  1:55 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquiring picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:41 PM]

But isn't Seattle in a win now mode despite what they want to do?

They were terrible last year. They lost Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but added a lot, including Durant, Green and KT. I'm not sure they'll be much worse, if at all worse. There was no possibility of turning it all around in 1-2 years in Seattle. Their GM correctly acknowledged that and, so far, has made the appropriate moves.

So the mandate is no longer get better by next year? I am asking because all reports during the season was that ownership wanted to get better by next season to keep the franchise in Seattle. Has that change or is there a possible move to a new city that I am unaware of?


Clay Bennet wants the team to high tail it out of Seattle but is trying to give Seattle a chance to retain the franchise but he wants it to be in his best financial interest. If the Washington doesn't come up with not only a solid fan base support, but new Arena Funds, they're going to Oklahoma where he wants them anyway.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 1:21 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
7/21/2007  1:58 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquiring picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:41 PM]

But isn't Seattle in a win now mode despite what they want to do?


If you're implying that's what we've been in the past 4yrs record and trades that were made said otherwise. Even if that's the perception outside of the scheme you don't deviate from the scheme to satisfy the perception.

Seattle is in total rebuild mode that's why Allen and Lewis were shown the door. And/Or Ridnour, Wilcox, Watson are next. According to the moves made Seattle is targeting 2009-2010 or 2010-2011 when Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and Melo may possibly be free agents. Chances are always slim to land those kind of players and surely if it is done it will come at a cost, but nevertheless they are positioning themselves to have a shot at accomplishing it.

I still don't know about them being in a total rebuild mode, they attempted to work out a deal with Lewis but did not want to pay him max money. I think they are positioning themselves for a possible trade. I am only talking about the Seattle situation from there standpoint. Sorry if my post confused you but I am not relating this to the Knicks in any way. The Sonics are a team that I keep track of from time to time.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
7/21/2007  1:58 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquire picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

Of course you would. Isn't that the whole point of this thread?



[Edited by - bigbeast on 21-07-2007 1:42 PM]



No it was to show how fast the groundwork can be laid to rebuild a franchise by acquiring picks and cap space at the same time. Many fans here say it's impossible to do.


It also didn't hurt that through the luck of the ping-pong-balls they ended up with the 2nd pick in a draft that literally had two legit Number #1 picks. That made Prestis's job alot easier, no?

Like saying this puts a dent into the scheme or philosophy.

Anyone who talks about rebuilding through the draft knows that you have to have a Top 7 pick to get it started. Being fortunate does play a factor but what's more important is having your own lottery pick(s) in hand and not giving them away to someone else.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
7/21/2007  2:04 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny that you made this thread because I was just checking the Sonics out. With the addition of KT, the Sonics have Collison, Wilcox, Durant, Sene, Petro and Swift. Durant projects himself as a power forward (that's a wait see). Other than just collecting draft picks how do players fit in. And Presti's concern is the point guard position. What about Green, Wally, Wilkens or even if you want to throw Durant here? There are questions all over the place for them. In addition, the Sonics current situation may not allow them to be on a 4-5 year plan.


Uhhhhh all he has to do is keep what he wants dump what he doesn't. They still have a $5.4mil TE which means potential salary dump trade move for another possible pick(s). Most of the players you listed are on short deals, you let those expire, while acquiring picks in the process and rebuild through the draft. I'd take Seattle's situation over ours 100 times out 100.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:41 PM]

But isn't Seattle in a win now mode despite what they want to do?

They were terrible last year. They lost Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but added a lot, including Durant, Green and KT. I'm not sure they'll be much worse, if at all worse. There was no possibility of turning it all around in 1-2 years in Seattle. Their GM correctly acknowledged that and, so far, has made the appropriate moves.

So the mandate is no longer get better by next year? I am asking because all reports during the season was that ownership wanted to get better by next season to keep the franchise in Seattle. Has that change or is there a possible move to a new city that I am unaware of?


Clay Bennet wants the team to high tail it out of Seattle but is trying to give Seattle a chance to retain the franchise but he wants to be in his best financial interest. If the Washington doesn't come up with not only a solid fan base support but new Arena Funds they're going to Oklahoma where he wants them anyway.

Interesting. So ownership is putting the burden on the city of Seattle to renew fan interest and purchase an arena on top of it. Personally, I do not trust the Oklahoma fan base. Vegas is probably totally off the table now with yesterday revelation.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/21/2007  2:06 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

So the mandate is no longer get better by next year? I am asking because all reports during the season was that ownership wanted to get better by next season to keep the franchise in Seattle. Has that change or is there a possible move to a new city that I am unaware of?

The mandate may be to improve... but the fact remains, they weren't improving with the guys they had, so perhaps Presti was able to sell the ownership on a little patience. Novel concept.

Even when you're not in rebuild mode, having the #2 overall pick, the #5 overall pick, a lot of cap room coming up, and a ton of future picks -- it definitely makes you consider showing some patience.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/21/2007  3:01 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Didnt we trade a center (Nazr) for 2 first round picks a few years ago?

And took on something like $56 million (with luxury tax), gave up a useful player (Nazr) and got back a useless player (Malik).

Seattle took on a useful player in KT, got two first rounders for $8 million a second rounder.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/21/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Didnt we trade a center (Nazr) for 2 first round picks a few years ago?

And took on something like $56 million (with luxury tax), gave up a useful player (Nazr) and got back a useless player (Malik).

Seattle took on a useful player in KT, got two first rounders for $8 million a second rounder.

I dont care what luxury tax is paid. That is just hype for somebody wanting to down a move. Luxury tax does not effect this team in the least. Its a non factor so why hype things with it? Malik costs us around 6 mill in 2006 and 7 mill in 2007. I think he has 2 more years worth around 15 mill total.

Malik is not a starter but he is a useful asset to have around. Nazr was let go by the Spurs and benched by the Pistons for a washed up Chris Webber. Those 2 first round picks brought David Lee and Mardy Collins.

Luxury tax affects all teams, even big market teams that have more and more to waste. In the end, the fans pay for everything, so, yes, it's a factor. It's simple business, you pass the costs onto the consumer. This is certainly the case.

As for the result of the picks, other higher picks in the same drafts were purchased for considerably lower prices -- often the price was $3 million, luxury tax free. So, explain how teams can buy picks for $3 million, yet the Knicks manage to spend an average of $30 million every time they buy a pick? Finally, these picks were the #30 overall and #29 overall respectively. Let's not let Isiah's drafting get in the way of deciding that paying an outrageous price for a pick is still a bad move. Also, as far as Lee goes -- Isiah drafted two busts before he drafted Lee. He could've easily taken Lee higher.

Also, Malik has been useless. Maybe he would be useful as a coach, not as a player. Nazr was solid for us and there's no reason to believe he couldn't still be solid. He got a contract from the Pistons on the basis and was a help in the Spurs winning a title. Also, many believed Webber was washed up, but he certainly proved otherwise and played very well for the Pistons.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 21 2007 3:21 PM]
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/21/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

The luxury tax does not effect our team in any way in myopinion. If you want to say its directly passed on to the consumer (no proof of that) than so be it but I really dont care about that.

There's no evidence of that? Someone obviously failed business school. As for your opinion that you don't care about it, that's fine. Many fans do. Are we wrong for thinking multi-dimensionally? Nope.
Posted by COSSUCKS:

So Malik cost 28mill or 56 mill as you want to hype over 4 years. The Garden has attendance of around a million a year. That would be $28-$56 for each seat broken up over 4 years to have David Lee and Mardy Collins. So $7-$14 a year for 4 years per seat for Dlee and Mardy. Yeah I can live with that very easily. :)

First off, as I've said many times, it's crap to think that was the only way we could've gotten those players. Absolute garbage. But anyway, you know what... $16 per game for Mardy Collins and David Lee wouldn't be bad (lets count their salaries too, while we're at it). The $50 - $200 a seat for Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Eddy Curry, Stephon Garbagebury, Jamal Chuckford, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, Penny Hardaway, Channing Soft, Quentin Injuredson, Tim Thomas, etc... over the years. Yes, that's what disgusting.

Now please stop assuming that just because something isn't important to you, means that it isn't important to everyone. The fact is that it's bad business to throw away cash like it's going out style and other GMs have had results with far less wasted money and effort. Now let's discuss that. Why does Isiah always choose the hardest path to get some facsimile of what might be good for the team? Honestly, I like some of Isiah's picks, and I like Q, even though he's chronically injured. But, can you reasonably deny that Isiah has gone in awful roundabout way to achieve some things that some GMs have achieved in a much more direct way?
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/21/2007  7:29 PM
Okay, so let's get this straight.

Corporations swallow extra costs just for the hell of it? No businessman is dumb enough to take on a cost without the expectation of profit. Again, at a minimum, the cost gets passed onto the consumer. If you can't understand that, then you can't have a logical conversation about the finances of the Knicks, sorry.

As for the rest of your post, pure garbage. Part of it was me humoring your ridicuous attempt at math. As for the rest of it, please reread before replying.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 21 2007 7:30 PM]
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
OT: Is Presti Putting On A Clinic?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy