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7/21/2007  1:13 AM
http://hoopshype.com/blogs/johnson/index.php/2007/07/20/marbury-out-of-line/

Marbury out of line July 20, 2007 @ 4:50 pm · Filed under Stephon Marbury, New York Knicks

I don’t know how to react to the news of Stephon Marbury wanting to finish his career in Italy, only to say… Please start your career here in the United States before you leave.LMFAO

I have said this before and I will again, Marbury is the most talented specimen at point guard in the NBA. When I heard that comment about Italy, it just reinforced my thoughts on Marbury and that is he thinks of himself first and everyone else second when he opens his mouth. What about paying the league and the Knicks back for making you wealthy beyond your dreams? What about leaving a legacy in your own country before you go to another? When you were growing up in Coney Island, what was your dream? I assume it was playing for the Knicks. That should be your focus and nothing else, because I bet bottom dollar if the Knicks go deep in the playoffs in the next few years, Italy will not even cross your lips.

Marbury is not alone in this assessment. I am growing extremely tired of superstars who commanded and got a huge chunk of the salary cap wanting to change teams or, in Marbury’s instance, looking forward to playing somewhere else. I wonder if they have realized the rainbow is not guaranteed to produce gold on the other end.

Stephon, your pot of gold is right there in New York. Now reward James Dolan and Isiah Thomas with a winning team because they have invested heavily in you. They surely do not want to hear about your future plans surrounded by your immediate thoughts on the Knicks.

I played in Europe and if you think they will accept a me-first attitude over there, please don’t go. I guarantee you will find out what a heated up coin feels like when it connects with your head. Or rocks being thrown at your house after a huge loss or subpar effort and your kids trying to figure out why.

Steph, you have no clue what pressure is until you go play in Greece and the fans seem like they are in your shirt and smoke fills the arena from either flares being shot across the stadium or cigarettes.

I loved my experience in Greece and I would not trade it for nothing in the world, but it was the most pressure-packed nine months I have ever encountered in my life. I would have liked the idea of you going there out of college for a year or two and then we might be seeing the Starbury we know you can be.

So my advice to you is to finish what you started in your own country before you start looking somewhere else.


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I think Sicilybury should demand Eddie Johnson's Phone Number so he can discuss a time and place in Coney Island to meet him. He could then proceed to take a pair of Starburys upside his head and cold clock him.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:23 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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7/21/2007  1:33 AM
Eddie is offering a good dose of reality to Steph's dream. I think Steph is looking for a chance to do something different and fun, minus the pressure and scrutiny of playing in NY. I'm sure he loves playing for the Knicks, but hates all the negative parts of the situation. It's no doubt what I can imagine many other NY athletes have felt. Ewing included.

I will add that Steph never said that he wasn't going to play his heart out. He in fact said that he wants to win a championship before he goes. that would imply that he plans to play well enough to make that happen, tho someone suggested that he thought he could just coast now. To me that's just hater talk. The guy has played in pain and thru injury for this team. He played thru the booing and chants and he never gave the fans the finger like some other atheletes have done in similar situations. He's rightly said that all they want is for the Knicks to win. I wonder why it is that so many take delight in his failings and the scorn from some media? What did he personally do to anyone of the guys that hate on him so much?

He's just a baseketball player and a flawed one at that, but he does care and he does try in his own way to help this team win. Like Ewing people bash him for not being the best in his era. Both of them have that pride that made them believe they were one of the best and you want that from a player. Why can't Patrick play like Hakeem or Shaq? Forget about all the great things he did. This is one of the reasons I hope this team does great things in the next couple of years. I want Steph to be here when this team succeeds. Hopefully if that happens he won't have to see that plan of going to Italy thru or if he does it will be after winning a title.
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7/21/2007  1:48 AM
Nix Eddie is saying what everyone else has been saying for about the past 7yrs.

Marbury needs to STFU and play basketball as a winner and not a loser.
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7/21/2007  1:51 AM
Marbury disappoints me in what he says sometimes, but he played hard last year. The only problem I had with his play last year is that it was clear he came into camp out of shape. That is inexcusable and probably cost us of 2-4 games. If he comes into camp in shape this year and plays as hard as he did in the middle of the season last year, I have no problem with him.

The whole Italy thing is either another example of him speaking before he thinks or a poor ploy for a contract extension. I don't think any team worries about losing a 32 year old pg (unless they are Kidd) and I hope IT is smart enough not to extend this guy until we have a competent understanding of where the team is going and whether we need Marbury.
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7/21/2007  8:18 AM
I agree with eddie Johnson.

Marbs is an annoying player. Talent wise? Yeah the dude is awesome. Brain wise? Yeah the dude is a little slow. Mix that up? You get a player that never tried to learn or get better. You get a loser.

Marbury thinks he has accomplished something. First player since Oscar Robinson to average 20/8 for his career? I'm sure that's done for with the performance he has had his last 2 years as a knick.

Marbs wants to save the world? So be it. Its a good path to follow. He has the dough and a little juice to make things happen. Fine.

So its 2 as a knick? Your not isiah might decide to trade you before that if Collins, Nate or dickau step up. So then what? Dream was to make it to the NBA. You got your stats but no respect in the game after all these years for what you do. Marbs has been a loser his whole NBA career. Does he realize that?

He does say he wants to win a championship before his contract is up. Will isiah trade him to a contender and he gets it on the coat tails of another team?

I'm not a marbury hater. I actually stuck up for the guy but I'm not blind to the facts. I want marbs to win that title before his current contract is up. I want him to stand on the podium and talk his **** like he is such a great player. Its all about the knicks. We know the story, but like I said its about the knicks. as long as this retard is playing for the orange and blue, I will root for this guy. Hes not going anywhere as of yet. Isiah will trade him if another guy out plays him. Marbs already is trying to tiki the knicks so isiah will isiah marbs.

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7/21/2007  10:16 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Nix Eddie is saying what everyone else has been saying for about the past 7yrs.

Marbury needs to STFU and play basketball as a winner and not a loser.

My point is that winning is not in any single players control. Kobe can't win by himself, Pierce, AI, DWade, TMac, VC, Melo, Kidd, Nash, etc. you have to have help. My contention is that he's been miscast as the best player in NY and really as a PG there should be other good players who can make things go. As bad as you all think Steph has been, the team has shown to be even worse without him. He's tended to cover up a lot of the weaknesses of the team.

You need a good team to win, not just a good PG. That's pretty much all we've had for most of his time here. I think we've finally reached a point where we can see the team has improved around him and he doesn't have to do so much. If this team is winning over the next 2 years, I don't believe he'll want to leave. It is time tho that we cut down on our reliance on him and get these other Guards in the mix. I personally like Mardy for the role, cuz he's a distributor 1st.
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7/21/2007  10:40 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Nix Eddie is saying what everyone else has been saying for about the past 7yrs.

Marbury needs to STFU and play basketball as a winner and not a loser.

My point is that winning is not in any single players control. Kobe can't win by himself, Pierce, AI, DWade, TMac, VC, Melo, Kidd, Nash, etc. you have to have help. My contention is that he's been miscast as the best player in NY and really as a PG there should be other good players who can make things go. As bad as you all think Steph has been, the team has shown to be even worse without him. He's tended to cover up a lot of the weaknesses of the team.

You need a good team to win, not just a good PG. That's pretty much all we've had for most of his time here. I think we've finally reached a point where we can see the team has improved around him and he doesn't have to do so much. If this team is winning over the next 2 years, I don't believe he'll want to leave. It is time tho that we cut down on our reliance on him and get these other Guards in the mix. I personally like Mardy for the role, cuz he's a distributor 1st.
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7/21/2007  11:17 AM
Marbury is an attention whore and all he's garnered for the knicks has been negative attention. And that's just from the outside.

He's been a huge distraction for this team, and I suspect what we know pales in comparison to what's gone on behind closed doors with his nepotistic needs of management, being cited in legal suits, involvement in numerous lockerroom discords and divisions, fighting with and resisting coaches, etc.

I think the fans and management will exhale a collective sigh of relive when he finally hits the road and takes the Starbury show to another town.
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7/21/2007  12:25 PM

I'm not sure why people are getting so twisted from Marbury's statement about wanting to end his career in Italy...Why is this news or an issue...I would have thought most here would be happy to see him go..Seem like some here are miffed at the fact that he is thinking of playing elsewhere if the Knicks don't offer him a deal after his contract is up...My take is he doesn't want to play for another team in the NBA...This kid can't catch a break in this town, that's for sure...
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7/21/2007  12:53 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Nix Eddie is saying what everyone else has been saying for about the past 7yrs.

Marbury needs to STFU and play basketball as a winner and not a loser.

My point is that winning is not in any single players control. Kobe can't win by himself, Pierce, AI, DWade, TMac, VC, Melo, Kidd, Nash, etc. you have to have help. My contention is that he's been miscast as the best player in NY and really as a PG there should be other good players who can make things go. As bad as you all think Steph has been, the team has shown to be even worse without him. He's tended to cover up a lot of the weaknesses of the team.

You need a good team to win, not just a good PG. That's pretty much all we've had for most of his time here. I think we've finally reached a point where we can see the team has improved around him and he doesn't have to do so much. If this team is winning over the next 2 years, I don't believe he'll want to leave. It is time tho that we cut down on our reliance on him and get these other Guards in the mix. I personally like Mardy for the role, cuz he's a distributor 1st.

So every team has failed Sicilybury is that what you're implying?


If the team is worst off in many respects without Marbury what does that say about I SAY UGH'S tenure as a GM? I don't want to hear that bull**** 3.5yrs of what's gone on from you. Which one of them is more at fault for not bringing better than mediocre results the past 4yrs? Luva do you realize we haven't been a .500 BB club with these two here, considering all of their so called great intangibles. Even if what you've said over the yrs is true, which you surely haven't been it still doesn't excuse the fact in many of Sicilybury's situations he needed to maintain composure, keeping quiet, and be the consummate professional he hardly ever is. But so often with him we get this New York Coney Island abrasive, double mumble, talk from him, making his career as a basketball player look more foolish and wistful. Especially in the past when he chose to blame everyone else but himself, now this past yr he's resorting to a skit where basketball may not even be secondary anymore, it's just something that takes up time throughout his day, week, yr.

And as far as those players you listed about 90% when acquired by those teams success took off. It wasn't a result of the team acquiring those players and losing season after losing season ensued, then they were threatening to be slightly better than mediocrity, nor did they accomplish a complete roster overhaul to add players around them before they started winning, like we have done here. Not to mention of the 90% when acquired produced a winning culture 60% of those were rookies who didn't know how to win on the professional level but elevated their game to achieve that. Meanwhile Marbury was a seasoned vet when we acquired him and he's incapable of achieving minimum success, helping us get to .500.

Acquiring Marbury should have resulted with immediate and continued success but it's the other end of the spectrum. He's shares a ton in the blame along with I SAY UGH, DOLAN and a couple other players.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-21-2007 12:09 PM]
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7/21/2007  1:18 PM
Posted by holfresh:


I'm not sure why people are getting so twisted from Marbury's statement about wanting to end his career in Italy...Why is this news or an issue...I would have thought most here would be happy to see him go..Seem like some here are miffed at the fact that he is thinking of playing elsewhere if the Knicks don't offer him a deal after his contract is up...My take is he doesn't want to play for another team in the NBA...This kid can't catch a break in this town, that's for sure...

fresh, I think some of us are jut tired of Steph being news and an issue, at least while he's a Knick. focus on making the team better while here, then go and be some sort of celebrity personality when you move on. Too often Marbury's news and the teams direction seem to be in conflict. When Marbury can evidence himself as a positive catalyst for a cohesive winning team that news will be found far more relevant.
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7/21/2007  1:47 PM
Italy sounds good to me. Why wait two years just leave now. Oh wait his movement is bigger than money, yeah right faster he leaves NY the faster the KNicks can become contenders.
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7/21/2007  1:58 PM
I haven't seen Marbury speak for a very extended period of time other than the infamous "I want to see the spit in your mouth" interview. But, that was a disasterous 10 minutes. Here's a brief summary:

A half-hearted and confused apology to Kevin Garnett for "whatever may have been said."

A declaration that he will simultaneously average 12-13 assists and 2-3 dimes.

A wild consortium of statements; Dallas is the ultimate Knick role model, despite losing in embarassing fashion to Golden State, and despite the fact that "we're already championship contenders," and despite the fact that Zach already puts us over the top, and because Avery is a fiery coach, and Isiah is a coach too. Steph continues; so really anyone can win the championship, because its luck, but winning the championship is important, but the trophy isn't important, because its only a shiny piece of metal and doesn't bring you more endorsements. Anyway, the quick and dirty of it is that we've got a good group of guys who are all losers anyway because they didn't win the championship. If you reacted to this with anything other than "What?", I applaud you.

Told us about how he doesn't have the time to teach all our children, so we have to settle for second best, trained teachers.

Reminded his wife that she is "his better ho" (not his best ho, mind you, but merely one of the better ones).

Talked about the ecstasy of kissing his sister, still on air.

I may be being too critical here so leave apart the fact he can't string two thoughts together. And leave apart the fact that his credibility as a leader is lower than Paris's prison cred. But its astounding that he can he be so self-righteous about his on the court efforts despite poor results and only marginal improvements in his game. This has nothing to do with people thinking that 1 player can win a championship - it has to do with people thinking that Starbury could never win a championship in a major role regardles of the surrounding cast. And I think there's some validity to that statement.
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7/21/2007  3:22 PM
Steph is a strange dude and he says some strange things, but he also has done some good and he did that before the spotlight was so bright on his giving. When it comes to stars having strange interviews or behavior he's not alone. John Stamos had his infamous series of TV appearances in Australia recently, Tom Cruise, etc. Who knows the reasons, I just think it's a bit harsh to go after Steph as viciously as some do and mix in his non basketball stuff with his basketball career. There's a degree of piling on that seems to go on.

I think Steph is more than capable of playing on a winning team and I think we'll see that this year. As for top players not being able to make their teams win, you can see that with a guy like KG. When he's had a decent supporting cast he is able to help them win. Not such a good cast, he loses like anyone else. His team went 32-50. How about Bibby? He's often hailed as being better than Steph. His team went 33-49 and what is his excuse? One guy can't make up for every flaw in a team. If you have a good team then at least your star players can truly shine and push a team further. For example last season when Steph was going off, the team only needed perhaps one more guy to step up and that could've pushed us over the top and helped us win games, but Frye didn't do it and no one else seemed to have the talent or balls to do it. This happened back when we needed shandon to step up and then TT as well. Jamal certainly didn't fill the shoes of H2O and Curry is just now starting to flex his game, but as we all know, he's still weak in many areas. So how was it exactly that Steph was gonna make Jared, Lee, Balk or Mardy hit shots or Frye actually take the open shot or Francis, Jamal or Nate NOT take the shot but make the pass? There's only so much one man can do. Hopefully this team will continue to grow and improve and more guys will step up and be counted. I think Zach will help that a lot. I just want to see the focus turn back to BB and Winning. Who cares what Steph says about his plans after playing for the Knicks?
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7/21/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

I haven't seen Marbury speak for a very extended period of time other than the infamous "I want to see the spit in your mouth" interview. But, that was a disasterous 10 minutes. Here's a brief summary:

A half-hearted and confused apology to Kevin Garnett for "whatever may have been said."

A declaration that he will simultaneously average 12-13 assists and 2-3 dimes.

A wild consortium of statements; Dallas is the ultimate Knick role model, despite losing in embarassing fashion to Golden State, and despite the fact that "we're already championship contenders," and despite the fact that Zach already puts us over the top, and because Avery is a fiery coach, and Isiah is a coach too. Steph continues; so really anyone can win the championship, because its luck, but winning the championship is important, but the trophy isn't important, because its only a shiny piece of metal and doesn't bring you more endorsements. Anyway, the quick and dirty of it is that we've got a good group of guys who are all losers anyway because they didn't win the championship. If you reacted to this with anything other than "What?", I applaud you.

Told us about how he doesn't have the time to teach all our children, so we have to settle for second best, trained teachers.

Reminded his wife that she is "his better ho" (not his best ho, mind you, but merely one of the better ones).

Talked about the ecstasy of kissing his sister, still on air.

Yes, but other than those things Steph is a great guy, a winning basketball player, and a very intelligent and articulate man.
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Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by codeunknown:

I haven't seen Marbury speak for a very extended period of time other than the infamous "I want to see the spit in your mouth" interview. But, that was a disasterous 10 minutes. Here's a brief summary:

A half-hearted and confused apology to Kevin Garnett for "whatever may have been said."

A declaration that he will simultaneously average 12-13 assists and 2-3 dimes.

A wild consortium of statements; Dallas is the ultimate Knick role model, despite losing in embarassing fashion to Golden State, and despite the fact that "we're already championship contenders," and despite the fact that Zach already puts us over the top, and because Avery is a fiery coach, and Isiah is a coach too. Steph continues; so really anyone can win the championship, because its luck, but winning the championship is important, but the trophy isn't important, because its only a shiny piece of metal and doesn't bring you more endorsements. Anyway, the quick and dirty of it is that we've got a good group of guys who are all losers anyway because they didn't win the championship. If you reacted to this with anything other than "What?", I applaud you.

Told us about how he doesn't have the time to teach all our children, so we have to settle for second best, trained teachers.

Reminded his wife that she is "his better ho" (not his best ho, mind you, but merely one of the better ones).

Talked about the ecstasy of kissing his sister, still on air.

Yes, but other than those things Steph is a great guy, a winning basketball player, and a very intelligent and articulate man.

I'm a hater, what can I say.
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7/21/2007  4:05 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Steph is a strange dude and he says some strange things, but he also has done some good and he did that before the spotlight was so bright on his giving. When it comes to stars having strange interviews or behavior he's not alone. John Stamos had his infamous series of TV appearances in Australia recently, Tom Cruise, etc. Who knows the reasons, I just think it's a bit harsh to go after Steph as viciously as some do and mix in his non basketball stuff with his basketball career. There's a degree of piling on that seems to go on.

I agree. Some guys really do seem to hate Marbury to the point of being irrational about it.
Who cares what Steph says about his plans after playing for the Knicks?

A lot of people, apparently, and not just haters. Why do we as fans need to hear about his plans for life after playing for the Knicks? It would be sort of like saying to your wife: "After I divorce you I'm going to find a really beautiful young woman. I'm going to treat her like a queen and buy her everything she wants. We'll tool around town in a convertible, go to fine restaurants and dance every night. But don't worry. You and I will have a good time for the next two years until that happens."


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7/21/2007  7:30 PM
The Media does interviews on wide ranging subjects with Athletes all the time. I'm not opposed to it, but when you listen to guys like Artest, T.O., Gary Sheffield or John Rocker it's clear that most of these guys really shouldn't be in that position and wouldn't be if not for being famous athletes. That also goes for Coaches too.

I just want to see Steph win in NY. I never wanted anything else for him and the team. It's not like he's not trying to win, even if he hasn't been able to grasp what it takes until now. In his own mind he's been trying to win. His time in the NBA is coming to a close whether it's 1 yr, 3 or 4, if they extended him another year or 2. We likely won't have long before he moves on. Let's just hope he helps this team get to the promised land. That's what a Knicks fan is supposed to be concerned with more than anything else.
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Who cares what Steph says about his plans after playing for the Knicks?
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A lot of people, apparently, and not just haters. Why do we as fans need to hear about his plans for life after playing for the Knicks? It would be sort of like saying to your wife: "After I divorce you I'm going to find a really beautiful young woman. I'm going to treat her like a queen and buy her everything she wants. We'll tool around town in a convertible, go to fine restaurants and dance every night. But don't worry. You and I will have a good time for the next two years until that happens."

I will agree with Nix here.
There is no reason to worry about Steph anymore.
He can stay or he can go and play in Italy, Zanzibar, of became an Astronaut.
His talk about Italy just another evidence that it is time to turn the page.
In my eyes Marbs went from exiting home return to the Knicks with all nice expectations to malcontent loser which brings his bad karma to any team he touches along his path in NBA

He is yesterday news and we stuck with this skeleton in the closet for another 2 years.
My only hope that some miracle will blow him away or his game will became so insignificant that IT will be forced to minimize his playing time (very unlikely zo)












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7/22/2007  2:30 PM
I think many people are just flat out tired of hearing the guy speak.
Enough already.
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