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TrueBlue
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7/6/2007  2:50 AM
Good gosh I'd almost be willing to give up unprotected first round picks to swap GM's. I'm serious, goodness gracious this article OWNS!


http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/257356.html

Marty Mac's World: Big moves by Kings? Petrie plays it patiently
By Martin McNeal - Bee Columnist

Published 12:00 am PDT Thursday, July 5, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C2

Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie doesn't have to worry about one thing -- surpassing extraordinary expectations.

The consensus following the draft selection of 19-year-old center Spencer Hawes and the early days of free agency seems to be the Kings will struggle even to be a playoff contender next season. Petrie said Wednesday the Kings had nothing going from a trade standpoint. The team still is deliberating on whether to use its entire mid-level exception (approximately $6 million), some of it or none of it.

The guess here is the exception will not be used. Petrie's long-term stance on building a team has been to become a player in free agency by getting under the salary cap, use that room to sign impact players and add them to draftees.

Said Petrie: "If we want to get into the situation here where you have real (salary) room, you have to curtail some of the team's spending and gather enough contracts expiring to create that room. The second part of that is what you still can do through trades to help in the interval you're working with.

"At some point, you have to take a philosophical stance, and if you keep adding four- and five-year or five- and six-year contracts, it makes it a lot more difficult to get there. Potentially, on a two-year horizon, we can naturally arrive there. The exception is if something comes up you think is really good, I think you still do that."

Petrie said attempting to get that real room following the 2008-09 season is what he is looking to do at this point. The contracts of Mike Bibby and Ron Artest (who is expected to opt out of his deal in the summer of 2008) would be off the cap.

The Kings likely will try to sign Kevin Martin to a long-term deal during the July 11-Oct. 31 window, so his projected salary of $8 million to $10 million would be added to those of Brad Miller ($12.25 million), Kenny Thomas ($8.55 million), Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($6.6 million), John Salmons ($5.45 million), Francisco García ($2.89 million), Quincy Douby ($2.2 million) and subsequent draft choices, putting the team's payroll at about $45 million.

Certainly, myriad moves could alter this projection, but it seems Petrie, new coach Reggie Theus and the Maloof ownership group are committed to working with what is on board.

Many observers have painted the Kings as desperate to rid themselves of Artest before next season and anticipate a trade of Bibby. However, Petrie's first name might as well be "Patient." Giving away talent has not been part of his résumé, and Petrie believes Bibby and Artest not only have value around the league but talents to help the Kings.

"I don't think you can live in the world thinking about what can't work," Petrie said. "I don't know any successful people in the world of business that look at things like that. You go back to the first year and when we drafted Jason (Williams), some people said he was a (Continental Basketball Association) player. Chris (Webber) wasn't coming here. We paid Vlade (Divac) too much money, and it was questioned why we drafted Peja (Stojakovic).

"The only thing we can do with our coaching staff is try to get the best out of what we have here, and eventually we'll (have success). I'm totally confident in that."

Petrie said the Kings have the talent to be competitive "if they play together."

That is where Theus and his soon-to-be created coaching staff enter the picture. Petrie said Theus has had four or five candidates in town during the past two days.

"Hopefully, we'll be hiring one or two (assistant coaches) pretty quickly," Petrie said.
Those assistants likely will coach the team's summer-league squad in Las Vegas, although Petrie said Theus will have major involvement.

"If he doesn't hire any coaches," Petrie half-joked of his new head coach, "he will be coaching the team. I know I'm not going down there (on the sideline)."



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-06-2007 02:00 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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TrueBlue
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7/6/2007  2:59 AM
The first 2 quotes are GEMS.



Petrie has a Philosophical Plan and will exercise Patience



Don't add 4-6yr deals to the roster and even if the exception should so happen show on the plate, doesn't mean you have to eat it.


An added bonus to letting players who were on long deals expire is the fact the team owns that players Birds Right. So even if the team doesn't want to resign player but another does S&T can be worked out to acquire assets (picks, TE, expiring contracts by coupling other player deals with FA player)because that team can offer player the richer deal. Instead the large contracts we possess fail to expire and become the albatross 4-6yrs of additional salary or we buy out those deals.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-06-2007 02:03 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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7/6/2007  4:39 AM
Yet he traded for Kenny Thomas two years ago. Strange.
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7/6/2007  5:24 AM
abdur rahim to the MLE
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/6/2007  8:18 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Yet he traded for Kenny Thomas two years ago. Strange.



And dumped most of Chris Webber's humongous salary in the process...
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7/6/2007  9:02 AM
I remember that trade. Webber and spare parts went to Philly for Kenny Thomas, Brian Skinner and Corlis Williamson. At the time, he was asked what he was accomplishing by trading on bad contracts for three bad contracts that added up to approximately the same amount. The reply was that it would be easier to shed three smaller contracts than one big one.

Anyway, Kenny Thomas is still on the Kings. Does anyone remember what happened to Williamson and Skinner?
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7/6/2007  9:09 AM
He traded Skinner. I thought Corliss was still on the Kings (and had a real nice season as a scoring bench player).
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7/6/2007  9:12 AM
our team could use some guys like Kenny Thomas
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7/6/2007  10:55 AM
Posted by fishmike:

our team could use some guys like Kenny Thomas

He'd be our best defensive big man!
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7/6/2007  11:08 AM
As usual, other teams, players, GMS are awesome (they're a lotto team jack) and our teams stinks. This GM can go to hell if he is going to think he's getting TALENT for his mismatched crappy parts. Stop glamorizing a team that didn't make the playoffs with a bunch of aging un-athletic veterans.
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7/6/2007  11:18 AM
I don't think the Petrie understands anything to be honest. He made the cardinal sin, drafting big white and slow, which pays off zero percent of the time.

If he had any clue what he was doing, which he doesn't he would know something about drafting. And about signing John Salmons what an awful deal. Kevin Martin was a nice selection but he is the only card for the kings. He should have moved Bibby a year ago when he was slowing down.

The dude has no real backup pg, and decides to take Douby?
Marcus Williams, Lowry, Rando?

This year he has a chance to really get a great player and takes Hawes?
Thaddeus Young, Julian Wright, Al Thorton

He would have solidfied two starting positions to go with martin and really start towards something in the future.

But I am still very scared, isiah has a way of getting excited, moving expiring deals for long term ones, including trade kickers, giving away lottery picks, 2nd rounders, and taking on players to get medicore talent
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7/6/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by kam77:

As usual, other teams, players, GMS are awesome (they're a lotto team jack) and our teams stinks. This GM can go to hell if he is going to think he's getting TALENT for his mismatched crappy parts. Stop glamorizing a team that didn't make the playoffs with a bunch of aging un-athletic veterans.

we're a lotto team too! only we picked 23rd not 10th! so he's doing something right. and a lot wrong probably - i like kenny thomas as a player but am not sold on spencer hawes, for example. bottom line, IT's on par with every other GM with a losing team of mismatched parts.
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7/6/2007  11:38 AM
Thats what Petie is. GM of a loser with mismatched parts. Except his core group is old and unathletic.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/6/2007  11:47 AM
Posted by kam77:

Thats what Petie is. GM of a loser with mismatched parts. Except his core group is old and unathletic.

but he won the same number of games as IT, in the west, and still picked 13 spots higher. our parts are way more mismatched than his. i'm not gonna bash or applaud him to reflect on isiah - they've both been disappointments.

are you one of the posters licking your chops for one of his mismatched parts (artest) to put with our own? and give him a dose of youth and athleticism in the process (lee or balkman)?
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7/6/2007  11:47 AM
petrie did a great job building up the kings...but did a bad job when their time was dwindling down.

will dumars get caught in the same trap?
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7/6/2007  11:53 AM
As usual, other teams, players, GMS are awesome (they're a lotto team jack) and our teams stinks. This GM can go to hell if he is going to think he's getting TALENT for his mismatched crappy parts. Stop glamorizing a team that didn't make the playoffs with a bunch of aging un-athletic veterans.

THANK YOU

Where do these knick people(I will not call them fans) come from???? Kenny Thomas a defensive big! Why would anyone want to play for these people.
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7/6/2007  11:55 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

will dumars get caught in the same trap?

if he givs Chauncey 15 mil per i'd say emphatically

YES
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7/6/2007  12:00 PM
Posted by mikesknicks:
As usual, other teams, players, GMS are awesome (they're a lotto team jack) and our teams stinks. This GM can go to hell if he is going to think he's getting TALENT for his mismatched crappy parts. Stop glamorizing a team that didn't make the playoffs with a bunch of aging un-athletic veterans.

THANK YOU

Where do these knick people(I will not call them fans) come from???? Kenny Thomas a defensive big! Why would anyone want to play for these people.

i'm pretty sure that was meant to be ironic - kenny isn't a particularly good defensive player but neither are any of our bigs.
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7/6/2007  12:10 PM
Ive been trolling the sacremento boards all morning. Seems to me that most King fans think that Petrie is a moron. Then again, the average poster advices that he trades artest to us for Lee, Balkman, and a 2008 first rounder. Lol. Check it out, its insane
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7/6/2007  12:11 PM
Posted by MS:

I don't think the Petrie understands anything to be honest. He made the cardinal sin, drafting big white and slow, which pays off zero percent of the time.

If he had any clue what he was doing, which he doesn't he would know something about drafting. And about signing John Salmons what an awful deal. Kevin Martin was a nice selection but he is the only card for the kings. He should have moved Bibby a year ago when he was slowing down.

The dude has no real backup pg, and decides to take Douby?
Marcus Williams, Lowry, Rando?

This year he has a chance to really get a great player and takes Hawes?
Thaddeus Young, Julian Wright, Al Thorton

He would have solidfied two starting positions to go with martin and really start towards something in the future.

But I am still very scared, isiah has a way of getting excited, moving expiring deals for long term ones, including trade kickers, giving away lottery picks, 2nd rounders, and taking on players to get medicore talent

excellent post. I don't understand why posters have to glorify garbage in order to put down Isiah and the knicks... At first all of these attacks were just irritating, then they became ridiculous, after a while senseless, and now just down right stupid..... this thread exemplifies that. It was created for no other reason than to trash the knicks and Isiah and for what reason? Using petrie as an example of excellence was a joke as your post just pointed out.
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