[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

The only good possible outcomes of the Zach Randolph trade for me is this
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 3  1  2  3 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  10:53 PM
1 - if Kobe forces a trade to NY this season or next
2 - if Isiah uses the expiring contracts of Dickau & Jones as part of another package to get an interior defensive presence or shotblocker like a Marcus Camby or Ron Artest

otherwise, all i see for the Knicks this year is another mediocre team that lacks any interior defense that will have no real hope of contending against the better teams in the NBA.

just my opinion
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
AUTOADVERT
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  10:54 PM
couldn't actually wait to see a game before forming this opinion eh? fair enough.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  11:01 PM
i pretty much know how it's going to go if our team stands pat the way it is now... defensive breakdowns on the interior all season long, more of the pointing of fingers & bickering at each other for missing defensive assignments in the paint, guys not being happy with the amount of touches they're getting, confusion by guys in what roles they're expected to play in this offense, & i'm projecting a regression by Curry rather than furthered progress in his development w/the addition of Zach... they'd be lucky to win 40 games next season IMO

feel free to disagree, but that's how i see it going down.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Anji
Posts: 25523
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 4/14/2006
Member: #1122
USA
7/1/2007  11:06 PM
I would say people getting fired and cut if we lose this season. Mainly Marbury and Isiah. Then we can draft Rose and start over.

[Edited by - anji on 07-01-2007 11:08 PM]
"Really, all Americans want is a cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to s**t with a door on it." - Mr. Ford
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  11:10 PM
You're admitting theres a chance Kobe could force a trade here So what the hecks the difference if he comes here through trade or free agency? I'll tell you what... we get him sooner if we trade for him. And yeah, you like the expiring contracts... but you hate the trade... lol... backtracker.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  11:11 PM
Did we really need this as a separate thread
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  11:12 PM
u sound like a 12 year old dude... if you can't comprehend the points i'm making, you don't have to respond... i'm not interested in wasting any more time trying to explain my points to someone who can't comprehend simple english.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
7/1/2007  11:15 PM
Posted by TMS:

1 - if Kobe forces a trade to NY this season or next
2 - if Isiah uses the expiring contracts of Dickau & Jones as part of another package to get an interior defensive presence or shotblocker like a Marcus Camby or Ron Artest

otherwise, all i see for the Knicks this year is another mediocre team that lacks any interior defense that will have no real hope of contending against the better teams in the NBA.

just my opinion

here is another potential good.

Dolan ok'd this trade and when it doesn't work out (if it doesn't), then Dolan has to fire Isiah.
arkrud
Posts: 32217
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/31/2005
Member: #995
USA
7/1/2007  11:16 PM
TMS - where did you get the cristall ball...
My cristall ball is showing same thing.
They probly start makin them in China in mass production...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  11:21 PM
i borrowed it from oohah.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
7/1/2007  11:21 PM
Posted by TMS:

i pretty much know how it's going to go if our team stands pat the way it is now... defensive breakdowns on the interior all season long, more of the pointing of fingers & bickering at each other for missing defensive assignments in the paint, guys not being happy with the amount of touches they're getting, confusion by guys in what roles they're expected to play in this offense, & i'm projecting a regression by Curry rather than furthered progress in his development w/the addition of Zach... they'd be lucky to win 40 games next season IMO

feel free to disagree, but that's how i see it going down.

WOW! All of that huh? Don't you think that's laying it on a bit thick with the negativity? I mean really! We didn't see much of that last year when things were worse. How do you think all of a sudden things will take a turn for the worse when things are better? From what I can see everyone is going to come in AMPED and ready to play. We know Steph is excited. Curry left on a mission to improve. Q i'm sure is gonna do everything he can to finally get healthy. i'm sure that with the way he was playing before his back went on him, he's anxious to have a good season. Jared is said to be working hard and showing signs of improvment. etc. Where exactly do you see all this negative stuff coming from?

The players on this team like each other and the Coach. Adding Zach isn't going to totally change all of that.
I think that if this team get's off to a good start for a change it's gonna be a great year. We know that the roles should be more established than at the start of last year. Guys won't be all confused. All we're doing is plugging Zach into Frye's spot and likely getting better performance. For everyone else things remain the same.
BasketballJones
Posts: 31973
Alba Posts: 19
Joined: 7/16/2002
Member: #290
USA
7/1/2007  11:22 PM
Steph is excited.
https:// It's not so hard.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  11:23 PM
WOW! All of that huh? Don't you think that's laying it on a bit thick with the negativity? I mean really! We didn't see much of that last year when things were worse.

when you take off the rose colored glasses & actually watch a game, you'll see that that sort of thing happened a lot more than you think it did last year... there's a reason why this team only won 33 games last year dude.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
JohnWallace44
Posts: 25119
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 6/14/2005
Member: #910
USA
7/1/2007  11:37 PM
Wait, who were we playing at the 4 that was better than Zach defensively last year?

Oh right, Jeff, Lee, and Frye were all bad at defending the 4

The only way we are worse on D is if Curry and Zach can't get back on transition.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  11:41 PM
i never said they'd be worse on defense... try not to inject your own interpretations on what i'm saying here... i said their interior defense would be non existent... pretty much the way it was non existent last season... it's sorta hard to be worse than a zero value... but adding nothing to nothing pretty much nets you nothing (defensively speaking)
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  11:45 PM
Posted by TMS:

u sound like a 12 year old dude... if you can't comprehend the points i'm making, you don't have to respond... i'm not interested in wasting any more time trying to explain my points to someone who can't comprehend simple english.

Whoa.. a lot of name calling there. I am interested in talking about the trade and you keep opening threads about it. Lets keep it about basketball. You made some points that i disagreed with. Why get hostile?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
7/1/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by TMS:
WOW! All of that huh? Don't you think that's laying it on a bit thick with the negativity? I mean really! We didn't see much of that last year when things were worse.

when you take off the rose colored glasses & actually watch a game, you'll see that that sort of thing happened a lot more than you think it did last year... there's a reason why this team only won 33 games last year dude.

Yeah and a lot of the same things won't be happening this year. Steph and Frye slumped early and Curry hadn't fully emerged to the level of confidence he woud eventually gain. Jeffries was hurt as well and basically the team just didn't play well. The crazy home losses etc. I think those same factors won't be there next season. I think this team will come in much more confident and understanding what they need to do. The 33 wins has NOTHING to do with how they'll play next season. The circumstances that brought about that record won't all be there this time. While some problems remain not all of them do. Also we have to allow for a little internal growth.

The thing about the interior defense is that despite the general opinions about it, this team got killed WAY more by the 3pt shot than by some lack of interior D. It was the perimeter defense that came unglued far too often. But there's another thing that many fail to notice. We came back in a lot of games this year and to do that this team had to at some point play some D. Our main problem was consistent D and starting games with the right level of intensity. We didn't seem to get it until we were down and then we'd step up the effort for a while to get back into the game. We more than anything need a more consistent effort level and focus on D. That coupled with fewer TO's will give us just what we need to win games. IF we can shave 3 pts off of that 100 PPG allowed, that would be great. It's not outside of this teams ability to do either.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  11:54 PM
when you come out with comments like the following & then get offended when the person you're directing those comments at responds in kind, you expose yourself as a troll trying to incite people into cyclical arguments with little real regard for what they have to say on any particular topic... i've already explained to great detail the problems i have with this trade, & what the conditions would be for me to think it was a step in the right direction.
You're admitting theres a chance Kobe could force a trade here So what the hecks the difference if he comes here through trade or free agency? I'll tell you what... we get him sooner if we trade for him. And yeah, you like the expiring contracts... but you hate the trade... lol... backtracker.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-01-2007 11:57 PM]
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  11:59 PM
Be forthright. You backtracked on the trade. You started this thread as a way to state your "new" position that you *could* like this trade if certain things happen down the line. I can understand you wigging out when all your points were refuted. Man up. I'll see you at the game. Check me if you're up for it. Peace y'all.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  11:59 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TMS:
WOW! All of that huh? Don't you think that's laying it on a bit thick with the negativity? I mean really! We didn't see much of that last year when things were worse.

when you take off the rose colored glasses & actually watch a game, you'll see that that sort of thing happened a lot more than you think it did last year... there's a reason why this team only won 33 games last year dude.

Yeah and a lot of the same things won't be happening this year. Steph and Frye slumped early and Curry hadn't fully emerged to the level of confidence he woud eventually gain. Jeffries was hurt as well and basically the team just didn't play well. The crazy home losses etc. I think those same factors won't be there next season. I think this team will come in much more confident and understanding what they need to do. The 33 wins has NOTHING to do with how they'll play next season. The circumstances that brought about that record won't all be there this time. While some problems remain not all of them do. Also we have to allow for a little internal growth.

The thing about the interior defense is that despite the general opinions about it, this team got killed WAY more by the 3pt shot than by some lack of interior D. It was the perimeter defense that came unglued far too often. But there's another thing that many fail to notice. We came back in a lot of games this year and to do that this team had to at some point play some D. Our main problem was consistent D and starting games with the right level of intensity. We didn't seem to get it until we were down and then we'd step up the effort for a while to get back into the game. We more than anything need a more consistent effort level and focus on D. That coupled with fewer TO's will give us just what we need to win games. IF we can shave 3 pts off of that 100 PPG allowed, that would be great. It's not outside of this teams ability to do either.


i have no problem with you being optimistic about next season... i'm telling u the reasons why i happen to think this Zach trade was just the same old type of trade that's hunkered this franchise down with unmanageable cap killing contracts of non impact type players that have kept us from putting together a viable contender for the past several years... you're free to have your own take on it... i really don't know why it's such a problem for some of you to accept that not everyone on this forum shares in the same optimism that you have for this team next year.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Page 1 of 3  1  2  3 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
The only good possible outcomes of the Zach Randolph trade for me is this
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy