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misterearl
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6/30/2007  8:56 AM
Guards - Collins, Nate (jamal crawford is the grandpa at 28)

Guards/ Skill forwards - Balkman, Chandler, Nichols

Big Forwards - Zach Randolph, David Lee

Centers - Curry, Randolph Morris

That's ten yoots who will reach their prime in about two years

curious stuff

the question is how patient are New York fans as the rebuild is apparently ON?
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Bonn1997
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6/30/2007  11:19 AM
26 is older than the average NBA player. All you're really saying is "while we were sleeping, the Knicks roster is filled with guys older than the average player"
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6/30/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

26 is older than the average NBA player. All you're really saying is "while we were sleeping, the Knicks roster is filled with guys older than the average player"

26 was the average age for the NBA 2006-2007 season. You can actually check on this info before you post those snippy comments.

http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2006.html
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nixluva
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6/30/2007  11:58 AM
Besides Misterearl's point is that we have a lot of guys that are also younger than 26!!! The team has been made over while many are still busy bashing the team, they failed to notice what has happened to the makeup of the team. Now to me this also allows us to make another trade and still have a good talent level left.
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6/30/2007  11:59 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bonn1997:

26 is older than the average NBA player. All you're really saying is "while we were sleeping, the Knicks roster is filled with guys older than the average player"

26 was the average age for the NBA 2006-2007 season. You can actually check on this info before you post those snippy comments.

http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2006.html

LOL Nailed!
Ira
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6/30/2007  12:36 PM
Guards - Collins (22), Nate (23)

Guards/ Skill forwards - Balkman (22), Chandler (20), Nichols (22)

Big Forwards - Zach Randolph (25), David Lee (24)

Centers - Curry (24), Randolph Morris (21)
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6/30/2007  12:42 PM
every team in the league has young players. it's what the young players can do that make the difference. we have some pretty good ones, but so do Toronto, Boston, Philly, Charlotte, Atlanta, Chicago, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Dallas, Phoenix, Seattle, Portland, Golden State, Memphis, etc, etc, etc, etc.

being young, tall, athletic all sounds good, but it's time to show something on the court. we had a solid season last year before injuries, but this season we need to see a lot more, regardless of injuries or whatever this new drama with Steph is.
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6/30/2007  12:43 PM
What exactly is the relationship between 26 and younger and winning?
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6/30/2007  12:53 PM
New drama with Steph?

Ira, you listed all the young players, but none of the mid age to old guys. Stephon, Crawford, Quentin, Malik and Jerome James, not to mention Cato. I don't know if you remmebered, but 4 of those guys very frequently started, at least I vaguely remember Malik starting a lot. If he didn't, he definitely got a lot of heavy minutes at times. Plus Randolf has had his fair share of injuries and his miles aren't shrinking.

To go with a full youth movement, EVERYBODY has to be young and if they're not working out, bring in other youths. I guess we semi did that with the Randolf trade, but are we really gonna go deep with Crawbury as our main guards? Based on the last 3 seasons, the answer is NO.
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6/30/2007  12:54 PM
You guys make it seem like the players we have aren't talented!!! Is this the case? You know it's not. We do have good talent on this team and these guys are mostly not even in their primes yet. Don't take the attitude that somehow our talent is not on par with the rest of the league. It most certainly is. As our team continues to develop like Lee did last year, you will all begin to see just how talented this team really is. Even a guy like Nate is capable of big performances. The only issue he has is maturity. It's not lack of talent. Balkman and Mardy sure weren't stopped by the talent on other teams. They seemed to do just fine even without a develop shooting stroke for either player. Randolph Morris is a guy that was able to play well against many of the guys who went high in this years draft. They couldn't even handle him in head to head comp.

I just wish that we could stop hating on our own talent just because they're on our own team. Give them a chance to develop like young guys on other teams are given the benefit of the doubt that they'll improve. I know that not all of our young players will pan out, but if just a few do that will be good news.
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6/30/2007  1:07 PM
Nixluva, we're not saying our talent is on par with the league. Not mine at least. I don't think we're heads and shoulders above any team, but that's not my issue either. My issue is why the hell haven't we developed and/or truely used this talent yet. Crawford has been on a plateau. Curry is developing slow as all hell, and he still has effort issues along with his out of shape issues. As for Lee, Balkman, Morris, Nate, Demetris, and Chandler. Yes, they are nice talents, but our best player of that is Lee, and he's plenty flawed and Nate is the most talented and he's super flawed.

Nixluva, it's all about the wins. In 3 seasons, it's been 33, 23, 33. With all this talent, anything UNDER 42-45 is absolutely unacceptable. I know you like to lower your standards in order to defend the team, but my standards of this team will always be high. If we can't get 45 wins with this "Talent" in the crappy ars East and especially the abyssmal Atlantic division, like we shoulda last year, then there's something severely wrong.
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6/30/2007  1:12 PM
w-ls everything else is talk. every team has players of various ages. the suns won 60 games a few years back with an average starting line up of 24

either you win or you lose the rest is crp.
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Ira
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6/30/2007  1:13 PM
Allanfan, Q is 27, Malik and JJ don't play a significant role, Cato is probably history. Marbs is the only older player on this roster that plays an important role on th Knicks.
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6/30/2007  1:25 PM
When I woke up I found out these 26yr old youngans can only manage to peak at 35wins so WHO THE F*** CARES how young they are!!!
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6/30/2007  2:15 PM
Posted by Ira:

Allanfan, Q is 27, Malik and JJ don't play a significant role, Cato is probably history. Marbs is the only older player on this roster that plays an important role on th Knicks.

You kidding? Zeke relied on Malik heavily when everyone else was screwing up or getting injured. He played a big role and Isiah did nothing but praise him throughout the entire season.

The point is, yes, we have a young roster, but it's not a full 100% youth movement. And as Briggs said and as I said, if it doesn't bring wins, it means nothing. We have 45- 50 win talent. It's time for us to get 45-50 wins in the weak ars Atlantic division and advance a round in the playoffs, when you see crap teams like the Cavs making the finals.
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6/30/2007  2:15 PM
Isiah has made the roster younger and more talented during his tenure.

But it still seems like too many parts that don't compliment each other.
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6/30/2007  2:26 PM
I don't agree with the youth movement/rebuilding talk because half the teams in the league have better young guys than we do, most of our guys are around their peak and we've spent an insane amount of money since Isiah has been here.

That being said, we're younger than the Layden days, so that side of it is valid.
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6/30/2007  2:27 PM
There's such a high level of impatience around here when it comes to this team.


Frye, Lee and Nate were in their 2nd yr
Balkman, Mardy and Morris were rookies
We just added 2 more youngsters in Chandler & Nichols.

How quickly do you expect for all of these young players to fully develop? We at least saw good signs from them so far. I just hope that they can continue to develop along the same lines and not have a setback year like Frye did.

I agree that it's time to start to see this team come together and perform. I believe that we'll see this team play at a much higher level next year. To expect this team to get to the playoffs and win about 45 or more games is not too much to ask. I felt we were close to a .500 team in terms of development already. Now the expectations have been raised and that's fair, but let's not forget that we have lot of young guys on this team still. I think the best is yet to come. It's not just about next year but the next few years, as this team continues to develop it's young players.
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6/30/2007  4:00 PM
nixluva - New Yorkers have little patience to allow for the maturation process

"I want my superstar NOW!!!"

Ira - thank you for the research on the ages of te Knicks roster. What some people fail to visualize is what level these cats will be playig on in two years. Perfect example is Trevor Ariza, who came in a year out of high school and is showing early positive signs for the Magic.

Does anyone have three years of patience for Wilson Chandler or Mardy Collins?

What about Randolph Morris?

"Nah, ship his azz outta here so we can get Kobe!"


It's not about the age of the "average" player Bonn. It's more about the peak years of any given players career. The years when something clicks in and he plays to his maximum ability based ono experience and education.

I say those prime years are between the ages of 26-29. some earlier, some later... but the body and mindset takes time to reach its peak.

but what da hell do I know?





[Edited by - misterearl on 06-30-2007 4:02 PM]
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misterearl
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6/30/2007  4:11 PM
"What exactly is the relationship between 26 and younger and winning?"

BlueSeats - none whatsoever.

But if you have a talent evaluator whose strength is yoots. Then it would stand to reason that allowing those yoot the time to find their collective voice might be a good thing.

The question is leadership and the player who steps to the front of the class (Marbury, Lee, Collins?) to take charge on the floor.

Ini the immortal words of Kool and The Gang:

"who's gonna take the weight?"
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