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6/22/2007  3:17 PM
JAZZ: Untouchable? Kirilenko now may be on block
By Ross Siler
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 06/22/2007 10:54:30 AM MDT


Jazz owner Larry Miller told a story on the radio Thursday from a couple of years ago, when Andrei Kirilenko was an All-Star and Donnie Nelson was working as an assistant coach for the Dallas Mavericks on his father's staff.
According to Miller, Nelson approached him after a game and offered any player on the Mavericks roster plus draft picks for Kirilenko, then one of the youngest and most dynamic players in basketball. The offer was rejected then. It wouldn't be now.
"When that happened with Donnie Nelson, I said, 'He's untradeable,' " Miller said in his last weekly appearance of the season on 1280 AM. "Today, I won't say that.
"I don't want to hang it over his head as a threat, and I'll make clear that it's not a fire sale, but if there were a situation that was better for Andrei and better for us, we definitely would consider it."
With those words, Kirilenko might officially have been placed on the trade market, after a season characterized by what Miller described as "severe frustration." Miller also said of Kirilenko's recent outbursts: "He needs to grow up . . . and I just hope he will."
The always outspoken Miller acknowledged the impact his comments would have and offered his belief that Kirilenko, 26, might be untradeable given the $63 million he is owed through 2010-11 on his contract.
"What'll happen now," Miller said, "if nothing else even from this conversation, which will get around the league, [is] that the
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vultures will start circling and people will start bargain hunting."
Kevin O'Connor, the Jazz's senior vice president of basketball operations, did not return a call Thursday night.
The question is whether the Jazz could get fair return on a trade after a season in which Kirilenko averaged just 8.3 points and 4.7 rebounds. The Jazz's best hope, Miller said, would be to find a team whose general manager is a true believer in Kirilenko's skills.
The other option would be to find a team whose open-court style is better suited to Kirilenko's game. Should no trade happen, the question is whether Kirilenko has worn out his welcome in Utah and if his relationship with the team can be repaired.
Earlier this week, Jazz coach Jerry Sloan pronounced himself "disappointed" in comments Kirilenko made to a Russian newspaper. Miller took things a step further Thursday.
"Some of the stuff that's coming out of his mouth reflects at least severe frustration and maybe brain fade, OK," Miller said. "But it's been surprising in some of the things he's said when he went back to Russia.
"I think he thought the Iron Curtain was still up and it blocked electronic communication."
While Deron Williams, Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur all emerged as stars this season, Kirilenko often was lost on the floor and an emotional wreck. Miller, however, called into question Kirilenko's effort as the team's highest-paid player.
The owner said Kirilenko once described his role as that of a spectator, standing in the corner on the far side of the court, waiting for a shot to go up and then running back on defense. An incredulous Miller said on air, "Do I have stupid written on my forehead?"
Miller cited the "paltry" $12.3 million Kirilenko made last season as well as the way Kirilenko's agent built him up to be a player worthy of a maximum contract. He also borrowed a favorite Sloan saying: "Have you missed any paychecks?"
"Maybe I'm being a bad guy for saying this," Miller said. "When I pay a guy all the money . . . I expect him to play. And I expect him to play well."
The onus is on Kirilenko, Miller said, to find a way to impact the game, whether through defense or rebounding, when his shot isn't falling. He suggested Kirilenko study how forward Matt Harpring plays, never mind that Kirilenko starts ahead of Harpring.
"When Andrei's really good, we are a really good team," Miller said. "I guess we know what we're going to get from Deron and from Mehmet and from Carlos, so then Andrei becomes a wild card, a variable, that can really have a great deal to do with our success or lack of it."
Miller made his comments one day after the Jazz brought together their front office and coaching staff to discuss the upcoming draft, the current roster and available free agents.
In terms of the Jazz's free agents, Miller said his preference would be to re-sign Dee Brown, Rafael Araujo and C.J. Miles. Miles played in just 37 games this season but is only 20 and clearly in favor within the organization.
"I was a little surprised and really pleased at how much positive support there was for him around the table," Miller said, adding, "We think that he's got a talent and he'll be good in the future. And we've just got to remember how young these kids are coming out."
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6/22/2007  3:17 PM
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.4 minutes
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
1.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 6.6 minutes
2007 Draft #23 Pick
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2006/07
Incoming
Andrei Kirilenko
6-9 SF from Russia (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 29.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +3.4 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +1.8 apg.


Utah Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Andrei Kirilenko
6-9 SF from Russia (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 29.3 minutes
2007 Draft #55 Pick
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2006/07
Incoming
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.4 minutes
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
1.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 6.6 minutes
2007 Draft #23 Pick
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2006/07
Change in team outlook: -3.4 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -1.8 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to New York and Utah being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and Utah had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 3990382.

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6/22/2007  3:20 PM
David Lee and Malik Rose OR Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, #23, Malik Rose.

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6/22/2007  3:28 PM
Eddie Curry

Move Frye to center where he's played his whole career and the two crackers at the forwards.
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6/22/2007  3:48 PM
Francis, this years pick (chicago) in exchange for AK47 & the rights to our 2010 pick back to us.
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6/22/2007  3:50 PM
We don't need a lil Russian cry baby bitch in the most difficult city to play in the World. He'll be on suicide watch by the time the Daily News and New York Post type his name
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6/22/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Eddie Curry

Move Frye to center where he's played his whole career and the two crackers at the forwards.

Not a bad idea. Not sure if I like Frye being a go to guy, as a foward/center, but it's a unit that can really gel together. It would be imperitive to get a stud guard though. Maybe Almond?
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6/22/2007  3:55 PM
Jefferies, Q Rich, Frye, Nate & #23

yes, that's severely undersold, but he's got a horrendous contract.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-22-2007 3:56 PM]
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6/22/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Eddie Curry

Move Frye to center where he's played his whole career and the two crackers at the forwards.

Curry and Boozer would be the one of the worst defensive low post in the league

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6/22/2007  4:04 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Eddie Curry

Move Frye to center where he's played his whole career and the two crackers at the forwards.

HaHaHa he called them crackers.

Frye,Lee,Kirenlinko, not bad. Frye can focus strictly on his low post game. Then if we could land Sean Williams from BC.
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6/22/2007  4:34 PM
I think we are over valuing AK47 because its obvious that Larry Miller will and Sloan don't want him. A bag of cashews and a vintage John Amechie trading card would do the trick !!! But since we don't have Mr. Amechie, then Big Snacks and Rose Bud will have to do !!!
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6/22/2007  4:38 PM
It's a tough call. He's coming off a very bad year. Which Kirilenko would show up if we traded for him? I'd sit this one out.
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Posted by NYKresurrection:

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.4 minutes
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
1.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 6.6 minutes
2007 Draft #23 Pick
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2006/07
Incoming
Andrei Kirilenko
6-9 SF from Russia (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 29.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +3.4 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +1.8 apg.


Utah Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Andrei Kirilenko
6-9 SF from Russia (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 29.3 minutes
2007 Draft #55 Pick
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2006/07
Incoming
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.4 minutes
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
1.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 6.6 minutes
2007 Draft #23 Pick
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2006/07
Change in team outlook: -3.4 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -1.8 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to New York and Utah being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and Utah had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 3990382.


Exactly Ill give them sht[malik rose and jerome james] and pick 23 plus they release the hold on our pick in the future. They get a draft pick this year of which they have none and save money long term on a player they dont want.

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6/22/2007  5:10 PM
Andrei Kirilenko
6-9 SF from Russia (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 29.3 minutes
Derek Fisher
6-1 PG from Arkansas-Little Rock
10.1 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.3 apg in 27.9 minutes
Incoming
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 37.2 minutes
Randolph Morris
6-11 C from Kentucky
0.8 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.2 ppg, -1.8 rpg, and -0.5 apg.


New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 37.2 minutes
Randolph Morris
6-11 C from Kentucky
0.8 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.6 minutes
Incoming
Andrei Kirilenko
6-9 SF from Russia (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 29.3 minutes
Derek Fisher
6-1 PG from Arkansas-Little Rock
10.1 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.3 apg in 27.9 minutes

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6/22/2007  5:13 PM
i dont like trading curry, but i have a 3 way trade that should raise some eyebrows:

rose + jj2 goes to jazz: finally utah gets missing link to defeat spurs. jeffries gets minutes

sheed goes to ny: will sheed help or hurt

ak47 goes to detroit: flip aint flipping out no more

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6/22/2007  5:20 PM
Posted by Bobby:

i dont like trading curry, but i have a 3 way trade that should raise some eyebrows:

rose + jj2 goes to jazz: finally utah gets missing link to defeat spurs. jeffries gets minutes

sheed goes to ny: will sheed help or hurt

ak47 goes to detroit: flip aint flipping out no more

Utah is not giving up kirelinko for that

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6/22/2007  5:30 PM
NO THING!!!!!!
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6/22/2007  6:28 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by Bobby:

i dont like trading curry, but i have a 3 way trade that should raise some eyebrows:

rose + jj2 goes to jazz: finally utah gets missing link to defeat spurs. jeffries gets minutes

sheed goes to ny: will sheed help or hurt

ak47 goes to detroit: flip aint flipping out no more

Utah is not giving up kirelinko for that

unless utah is trading for draft picks this deal is good. first of all, the sum of both players vs individual performance is always overlooked. malik rose real worth and contribution will have his greatest value during the playoffs. daily tasking makes good backup for boozer and even memo. jeffries never given real minutes finally grows in the 3-4 spot. jeffries with increased minutes will play good role in utah.

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6/22/2007  7:25 PM
You can't give up David Lee for AK. Dude was awful last year and makes 14 mil a year. This is your opportunity to get rid of Francis.
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6/22/2007  7:47 PM
Why are Knicks fans always ready to deal somebody? Every year we miss the playoffs ya'll want to play musical chairs. I say **** a trade, sit down and watch your team develop.
What would you give for him ??

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