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6/21/2007  2:18 PM
"The reason that we win consistently is that Pop is never satisfied, and as a result, neither are we."

-Tim Duncan

I hope we realize that its' time to stop complaining about the demands of the fan and as a team never be satisfied with the results we give. Being happy with outperforming a 23 win year needs to be eradicated.
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6/21/2007  2:23 PM
Easy to be "never satisfied" when your star player rips up his achilles tendon in 96 and the result is a hall famer falling right in your lap.

I agree that some of the paradigms that have defined the Knicks need to be shifted, but we are talking about different circumstances with the Spurs. F the Spurs anyway. Nobody in modern history has ever made winning so pedestrian and boring.
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6/21/2007  2:28 PM
or you draft two allstars with picks in 20's
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6/21/2007  2:36 PM
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or you draft two allstars with picks in 20's

My bad. You're right. The Spurs are Ginobli's and Parker's team. LOL.
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6/21/2007  2:37 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Easy to be "never satisfied" when your star player rips up his achilles tendon in 96 and the result is a hall famer falling right in your lap.

I agree that some of the paradigms that have defined the Knicks need to be shifted, but we are talking about different circumstances with the Spurs. F the Spurs anyway. Nobody in modern history has ever made winning so pedestrian and boring.

LOL, yeah it's listen to that stuff but I give Pop more credit than Big Chief Triangle.
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6/21/2007  2:44 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Easy to be "never satisfied" when your star player rips up his achilles tendon in 96 and the result is a hall famer falling right in your lap.

I agree that some of the paradigms that have defined the Knicks need to be shifted, but we are talking about different circumstances with the Spurs. F the Spurs anyway. Nobody in modern history has ever made winning so pedestrian and boring.

Tell this to Spurs fans. I guess they are really bored with winning and dream to be a drama like NY and other losers.
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6/21/2007  2:57 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

"The reason that we win consistently is that Pop is never satisfied, and as a result, neither are we."

-Tim Duncan

I hope we realize that its' time to stop complaining about the demands of the fan and as a team never be satisfied with the results we give. Being happy with outperforming a 23 win year needs to be eradicated.


LB brought that type of mentality & the team seemed incapable of handling his high demands... i totally agree with you but i don't know if this team is ever going to be that type of team until they get a star player that buys into that mentality & sets the right example for everyone else to emulate... we don't have that.
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6/21/2007  3:05 PM
never will be one curry and crawford are your focal points, nate is unprofessional, francis and to a lesser extend marbury. they all have problems, craw to a lesser extent perhaps with dedicating themselves to winning and playing the right way and letting their agendas take over the team game
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6/21/2007  3:06 PM
there front office did manage to pawn off maliks contract on us and make sure they have no cap concerns and they did grab bowen for peanuts and brought in valuable vetrans.
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there front office did manage to pawn off maliks contract on us and make sure they have no cap concerns and they did grab bowen for peanuts and brought in valuable vetrans.
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6/21/2007  3:23 PM
Posted by MS:

there front office did manage to pawn off maliks contract on us and make sure they have no cap concerns and they did grab bowen for peanuts and brought in valuable vetrans.

Winners always use losers. That's why everybody get what they deserve


[Edited by - arkrud on 06-21-2007 3:23 PM]
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Posted by MS:

never will be one curry and crawford are your focal points, nate is unprofessional, francis and to a lesser extend marbury. they all have problems, craw to a lesser extent perhaps with dedicating themselves to winning and playing the right way and letting their agendas take over the team game

not all of our players are excuse makers... we have 2 professional guys on this team, Malik & Q Rich, who can be a good influence on our young guys, but we are missing that 1 star who will command respect by the way he approaches the game... we need a guy who will not accept losing... a guy who will demand higher standards from the rest of his teammates... we can't have our young guys emulating the attitudes & mindsets of guys like Marbury & Francis.
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Posted by arkrud:
Posted by sebstar:

Easy to be "never satisfied" when your star player rips up his achilles tendon in 96 and the result is a hall famer falling right in your lap.

I agree that some of the paradigms that have defined the Knicks need to be shifted, but we are talking about different circumstances with the Spurs. F the Spurs anyway. Nobody in modern history has ever made winning so pedestrian and boring.

Tell this to Spurs fans. I guess they are really bored with winning and dream to be a drama like NY and other losers.

Actually they might be. Nobody paid attention to the team and everybody and their mama couldnt wait for this finals to be over. Story after story has been written about the Spurs having the most passionless fans in sports. Take nothing away from them, but the '73 Knicks they are NOT.

They are a major reason why the league is in such peril. T
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6/21/2007  4:48 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by sebstar:

Easy to be "never satisfied" when your star player rips up his achilles tendon in 96 and the result is a hall famer falling right in your lap.

I agree that some of the paradigms that have defined the Knicks need to be shifted, but we are talking about different circumstances with the Spurs. F the Spurs anyway. Nobody in modern history has ever made winning so pedestrian and boring.

Tell this to Spurs fans. I guess they are really bored with winning and dream to be a drama like NY and other losers.

Actually they might be. Nobody paid attention to the team and everybody and their mama couldnt wait for this finals to be over. Story after story has been written about the Spurs having the most passionless fans in sports. Take nothing away from them, but the '73 Knicks they are NOT.

They are a major reason why the league is in such peril. T

If Spurs are soo bad why they have won it all 4 times in recent years and was in the running last 8 years?
The players was coming and going but the winning is persistent.
If Spurs are bad - the rest of NBA is a mockery.
A lot of players and organizations take the hype over substance. In business this called bubble.
You get you money and run and then somebody payed the price.
At the end of the day the NBA will be the way majority of fans want it to be.
If this will be another professional wrestling clone so this is what most of us want.








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6/21/2007  5:09 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Easy to be "never satisfied" when your star player rips up his achilles tendon in 96 and the result is a hall famer falling right in your lap.

I agree that some of the paradigms that have defined the Knicks need to be shifted, but we are talking about different circumstances with the Spurs. F the Spurs anyway. Nobody in modern history has ever made winning so pedestrian and boring.

these are the types of excuses I am talking about. This is the logic that needs to be eradicated. Are we going to have Tim Duncan and DRob drop in our laps? Of course not. Does this mean we should not raise our standards? Of course not. That should remain the standard whether we are a 4 time champion or a 23 win team. Never be satisified. Stop accepting 33 wins, stop making excuses for mediocre numbers and stop accepting poor performance. Talent wise this team should have been in the playoffs for the last two years, but it is the mindset and lack of professionalism by our players and organization that has led to the poor performance. This is the summer to stop the excuses and make it happen.

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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by sebstar:

Easy to be "never satisfied" when your star player rips up his achilles tendon in 96 and the result is a hall famer falling right in your lap.

I agree that some of the paradigms that have defined the Knicks need to be shifted, but we are talking about different circumstances with the Spurs. F the Spurs anyway. Nobody in modern history has ever made winning so pedestrian and boring.

these are the types of excuses I am talking about. This is the logic that needs to be eradicated. Are we going to have Tim Duncan and DRob drop in our laps? Of course not. Does this mean we should not raise our standards? Of course not. That should remain the standard whether we are a 4 time champion or a 23 win team. Never be satisified. Stop accepting 33 wins, stop making excuses for mediocre numbers and stop accepting poor performance. Talent wise this team should have been in the playoffs for the last two years, but it is the mindset and lack of professionalism by our players and organization that has led to the poor performance. This is the summer to stop the excuses and make it happen.

Actually 33 wins is an astonishing accomplishment after the 23 wins the prior year. That is a 43% increase. Not too shabby. If you gave me $10,000 to invest for you and after a year I gave you back $14,300, I'll bet you'd be pretty happy with the return on your investment. That's how you have to look at our Knicks. If the Knicks can achieve another 43% increase in wins this year, they will have 57 wins. So I think you should be happy with the progress the Knicks have made. And give me $10,000.




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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by sebstar:

Easy to be "never satisfied" when your star player rips up his achilles tendon in 96 and the result is a hall famer falling right in your lap.

I agree that some of the paradigms that have defined the Knicks need to be shifted, but we are talking about different circumstances with the Spurs. F the Spurs anyway. Nobody in modern history has ever made winning so pedestrian and boring.

these are the types of excuses I am talking about. This is the logic that needs to be eradicated. Are we going to have Tim Duncan and DRob drop in our laps? Of course not. Does this mean we should not raise our standards? Of course not. That should remain the standard whether we are a 4 time champion or a 23 win team. Never be satisified. Stop accepting 33 wins, stop making excuses for mediocre numbers and stop accepting poor performance. Talent wise this team should have been in the playoffs for the last two years, but it is the mindset and lack of professionalism by our players and organization that has led to the poor performance. This is the summer to stop the excuses and make it happen.

Man, just what in the hell are you talking about?? So mindset is our only problem? If our mindset was different, Nate Robinson will somehow morph into Gary Payton?

And just who is satisfied with 33 wins?? Who are these mysterious people? The only real affront to professionalism in recent years was perpetuated by Larry Brown who all but admitted that he tanked the season on purpose, in some half-brained attempt to pull a power play and show up Isiah.

What I said about the Spurs was a fact. They were beneficiaries of one of the best strokes of luck in sports history...or perhaps I should have said "tear" of luck. Its easy to "never be satisfied" when you are also allowed to instigate a fight that leads to the suspension of the other team's best player. It was not a way to absolve the Knicks from responsibility. One thing about Isiah is that I would not question his dedication to winning. His decision making yes, but his mindset is what got him to become a star when he was the size of most JV players. I questioned Layden on settling.

I wish I would have attacked Patrick Ewing with a bat in '96...maybe we would have then received the number one pick and I would thus not be exposed to these sort of threads.


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Posted by sebstar:

Man, just what in the hell are you talking about?? So mindset is our only problem? If our mindset was different, Nate Robinson will somehow morph into Gary Payton?

And just who is satisfied with 33 wins?? Who are these mysterious people? The only real affront to professionalism in recent years was perpetuated by Larry Brown who all but admitted that he tanked the season on purpose, in some half-brained attempt to pull a power play and show up Isiah.

What I said about the Spurs was a fact. They were beneficiaries of one of the best strokes of luck in sports history...or perhaps I should have said "tear" of luck. Its easy to "never be satisfied" when you are also allowed to instigate a fight that leads to the suspension of the other team's best player. It was not a way to absolve the Knicks from responsibility. One thing about Isiah is that I would not question his dedication to winning. His decision making yes, but his mindset is what got him to become a star when he was the size of most JV players. I questioned Layden on settling.

I wish I would have attacked Patrick Ewing with a bat in '96...maybe we would have then received the number one pick and I would thus not be exposed to these sort of threads.

How you came up with that response based on what was said is mystifying. Obviously, the Knicks have other problems, but this is an important one to address. It's one you can hopefully address without roster moves (though I think trading career losers like Marbury would help). Your Spurs example is poor. Yes, they got Tim Duncan, but if they didn't play with the attitude they play with, maybe they only win 2 championships in the same span, maybe one... maybe none. If Tim Duncan had Stephon Marbury's attitude, my vote is none. There's no mystery as to who is celebrating about 33 wins. Almost everyone on the Knicks. Stephon Marbury cited tremendous improvements. Dolan was so pleased that Isiah got a four year extension for the Knicks having the same win total as two years ago. Curry was so pleased with his performance, despite his glaring flaws, that he got a tattoo about not being elected to the All-Star team. Hell, a significant portion of this board was pretty satisfied with 33 wins.

Attitude is one of our biggest problems, yes. All championship teams have a positive, never quit attitude, in addition to tremendous talent. The best players ARE the best players because they have this attitude. It's never just 'luck'.

[Edited by - Solace on Jun 21 2007 9:08 PM]
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by sebstar:

Man, just what in the hell are you talking about?? So mindset is our only problem? If our mindset was different, Nate Robinson will somehow morph into Gary Payton?

And just who is satisfied with 33 wins?? Who are these mysterious people? The only real affront to professionalism in recent years was perpetuated by Larry Brown who all but admitted that he tanked the season on purpose, in some half-brained attempt to pull a power play and show up Isiah.

What I said about the Spurs was a fact. They were beneficiaries of one of the best strokes of luck in sports history...or perhaps I should have said "tear" of luck. Its easy to "never be satisfied" when you are also allowed to instigate a fight that leads to the suspension of the other team's best player. It was not a way to absolve the Knicks from responsibility. One thing about Isiah is that I would not question his dedication to winning. His decision making yes, but his mindset is what got him to become a star when he was the size of most JV players. I questioned Layden on settling.

I wish I would have attacked Patrick Ewing with a bat in '96...maybe we would have then received the number one pick and I would thus not be exposed to these sort of threads.

How you came up with that response based on what was said is mystifying. Obviously, the Knicks have other problems, but this is an important one to address. It's one you can hopefully address without roster moves (though I think trading career losers like Marbury would help). Your Spurs example is poor. Yes, they got Tim Duncan, but if they didn't play with the attitude they play with, maybe they only win 2 championships in the same span, maybe one... maybe none. If Tim Duncan had Stephon Marbury's attitude, my vote is none. There's no mystery as to who is celebrating about 33 wins. Almost everyone on the Knicks. Stephon Marbury cited tremendous improvements. Dolan was so pleased that Isiah got a four year extension for the Knicks having the same win total as two years ago. Curry was so pleased with his performance, despite his glaring flaws, that he got a tattoo about not being elected to the All-Star team. Hell, a significant portion of this board was pretty satisfied with 33 wins.

Attitude is one of our biggest problems, yes. All championship teams have a positive, never quit attitude, in addition to tremendous talent. The best players ARE the best players because they have this attitude. It's never just 'luck'.

[Edited by - Solace on Jun 21 2007 9:08 PM]

I have never actually used the word mystifying in a sentence but this is a good time. Sebstar, your response to my post was "mystifying"
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my bad, I guess I should have read between the lines and understood that this thread was a referendum on Marbury. So many guys get bashed, and the cheapshots are so scattershot, I have a hard time keeping up.

I'm largely out of ammo here, Marbury's record is his record. Its largely indefensible, and I'm not going to make the effort to cover for a multi-millionaire. I thought he had a really good year last year, BTW. And there is little reside from the LB debacle, so hopefully he continues the momentum with a further retooled roster.

A lot of the things you view as settling I just dont agree with. Most glaring is the extension. With all the upheavel over the past few years, I can understand wanting to keep things stable. Especially if Dolan believes in Zeke. Dont confuse mistakes with a lack of effort. But then again this is NY and fans have that sense of entitlement.
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