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6/19/2007  12:49 PM
June 19, 2007
Amateur Video Is Latest in Bryant Drama
By HOWARD BECK
Kobe Bryant has not appeared on radio or television in three weeks. He is not even in the United States. But in the lull between a less-than-compelling N.B.A. finals and an intriguing draft, Bryant is again commandeering headlines, and the league’s attention, without saying a word.

First came a report that Bryant had publicly restated his trade request. Then came word of an amateur video in which Bryant profanely expressed his frustration with the Los Angeles Lakers.

The report proved to be inaccurate. The video, which could become public by the end of the week, could be damaging.

Bryant issued a public trade request May 30, in a series of radio interviews. That same day, he amplified his feelings in a posting on his Web site, KB24.com, writing that “the Lakers and me just have two different visions for the future.” That message was reposted Sunday, under a heading “June 17,” creating the impression that it was a new item. Bryant’s recycled comments became an Associated Press article, which made it instant national news. The item ran yesterday in The New York Times and was a top headline on ESPN.com.

It was unclear if Bryant’s comments were reposted to ratchet up pressure on the Lakers. Bryant is traveling in Europe with his family. Messages left with the Web site’s operators and Bryant’s agent, Rob Pelinka, were not returned.

By yesterday afternoon, the error had been discovered, and the story quickly changed. ESPN.com removed the article from its Web site. And KB24.com removed the statement. In its place were quotes, said to be from Bryant’s fans, expressing support for his trade request.

The next words heard from Bryant will also be several weeks old, and to many of his devoted admirers, perhaps shocking. An amateur video, said to have been taken in late May, shows Bryant viciously criticizing the team’s management and the franchise’s best young prospect, the 19-year-old center Andrew Bynum.

The men who shot the video have been peddling it to news media outlets for the last two weeks. A spokesman for the group said they intended to release the video by the end of the week, provided that it raises enough money through Web donations.

The men have remained anonymous — for fear of retribution from Lakers fans, they said — and identify themselves only as “The Kobe Video Guys.”

The footage appears to be legitimate, based on a shorter video posted on YouTube.com. The video’s owners played the entire 24-second clip for hoopsworld.com, which posted an article about it yesterday. The author, Eric Pincus, is a Los Angeles-based writer who has spent considerable time around the Lakers and Bryant. The video, Pincus writes, “leaves no doubt that it is in fact Bryant.”

The video’s owners played the clip over the telephone for a Times reporter. The voice is clearly Bryant’s, speaking in a high, agitated tone.

“It’s not the camera Kobe,” said a spokesman for the amateur videographers, who, like his friends, wanted to remain anonymous. He said the footage was shot in a shopping center parking lot in Newport Coast, Calif., where Bryant lives. The spokesman said his friends, all in their early 20s, were chatting with Bryant when one of them decided to take a photograph and some video for posterity, but that they did not believe that Bryant was aware that they were filming. The Lakers passed on a chance to obtain the Nets’ Jason Kidd in February because they would not part with Bynum.

“Are you kidding me?” Bryant says in the video. He goes on to say, with a number of profanities mixed in, that the Lakers should “ship out” Bynum.

“We’re talking about Jason Kidd,” Bryant says. He also speaks in a derisive tone about General Manager Mitch Kupchak before the video abruptly ends.

The video’s owners claim that a Lakers fan offered to buy the video to keep it private but that they declined. Instead, they intend to charge $1.99 through their Web site.

“I personally think we’re going to make more money this way,” the spokesman said. “I think people want to see it.” The Lakers are aware of the video but are declining to comment, said John Black, the team’s vice president for public relations.

Black confirmed that Bryant met with Jerry Buss, the team owner, in Spain last Friday. The substance of that conversation “will remain between the two of them,” Black said, but circumstances apparently have not changed. ESPN.com quoted Pelinka over the weekend as saying that Bryant stood by his trade request. The Lakers are standing by Buss’s previous statement that he will not trade Bryant.
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6/19/2007  12:53 PM
Berman's take here:

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2007/06/profane_video_h.html
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6/19/2007  2:18 PM
They are the Lakers and known for their soap operas. Maybe the Lakers and Kobe Bryant work it all out, GM Mitch Kupchak makes a nice trade and all is good in Hollywood.

But if not, the Knicks, despite a lot of skeptics, stand a chance in the Kobe Sweepstakes.

This alleged profane video of Kobe ripping Mitch Kupchak and center Andrew Bynum is about as bizarre a twist as there is. Bryant rips Kupchak for not pulling the trigger on the Jason Kidd trade because he did not want to part with Bynum. Bryant was talking with a bunch of guys in a deli parking lot in Newport Beach when the tape was made. Those men have tried to sell the video to TV stations but now are threatening to release the video this week. It's unclear if Kobe knew he was being taped.

New York Times Knicks writer Howard Beck, who covered the Lakers for several years and is close to Kobe, listened to the videotape and reports it sounds exactly like Bryant's voice.

The only reason the Knicks stand a chance is because of Bryant's ability to veto any trade. If his list stands at the Knicks, Bulls and Suns, then Isiah is a player.

That is all the people who think this has a chance of happening have been saying for the past few days now... no one said it's a definite that Kobe will be coming to NY, but to simply dismiss the idea because it doesn't seem like the Lakers can get fair value back from the Knicks is just stubborn obstinence in my eyes... doesn't make anyone a hater or homer to consider with an objective eye.
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6/19/2007  2:25 PM
Posted by TMS:
They are the Lakers and known for their soap operas. Maybe the Lakers and Kobe Bryant work it all out, GM Mitch Kupchak makes a nice trade and all is good in Hollywood.

But if not, the Knicks, despite a lot of skeptics, stand a chance in the Kobe Sweepstakes.

This alleged profane video of Kobe ripping Mitch Kupchak and center Andrew Bynum is about as bizarre a twist as there is. Bryant rips Kupchak for not pulling the trigger on the Jason Kidd trade because he did not want to part with Bynum. Bryant was talking with a bunch of guys in a deli parking lot in Newport Beach when the tape was made. Those men have tried to sell the video to TV stations but now are threatening to release the video this week. It's unclear if Kobe knew he was being taped.

New York Times Knicks writer Howard Beck, who covered the Lakers for several years and is close to Kobe, listened to the videotape and reports it sounds exactly like Bryant's voice.

The only reason the Knicks stand a chance is because of Bryant's ability to veto any trade. If his list stands at the Knicks, Bulls and Suns, then Isiah is a player.

That is all the people who think this has a chance of happening have been saying for the past few days now... no one said it's a definite that Kobe will be coming to NY, but to simply dismiss the idea because it doesn't seem like the Lakers can get fair value back from the Knicks is just stubborn obstinence in my eyes... doesn't make anyone a hater or homer to consider with an objective eye.

If you want to consider it with an objective eye, you'd see that the Bulls can offer an all star in Gordon, the Suns can offer an all star in Marion and the Knicks can offer Jamal Crawford.

Talk about stubborn obstinence.
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6/19/2007  2:32 PM
isles, how many times do i have to tell u that i realize that the Bulls can offer a better package... the question is will they be WILLING to give it up to bring Kobe in... i honestly don't think they would... that's what i've been saying the past few days & you keep coming back to that same point.
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6/19/2007  2:37 PM
Why wouldn't they? If they can keep Deng, it's a no brainer. And the Bulls can EASILY come up with a better package than the Knicks even without Deng.

After seeing a team as weak as the Cavs make it to the Finals, they must realize that getting Kobe would put them over the top.
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6/19/2007  2:41 PM
bulls package would probably be something like this:

ben, s&t nocioni, tyrus for kobe

OR

bulls renounce nocioni, putting them at $6+ mil under the cap
ben, tyrus, #9 for kobe + #19

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2007 2:45 PM]
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6/19/2007  2:55 PM
Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.
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6/19/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by TMS:

Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.

their youth have won games and just swept miami.

we went 3-15 in the atlantic division finishing with 33 games.

there is a reason why bulls youth have a higher value right now.

once our youth lead us to victories and playoff games, they may get some value but right now, the bulls youth trump all youth in the league. we can compare our youth to boston, atlanta, charlotte, etc, but the bulls are the class of the "youth" division in the nba.
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6/19/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

bulls package would probably be something like this:

ben, s&t nocioni, tyrus for kobe

OR

bulls renounce nocioni, putting them at $6+ mil under the cap
ben, tyrus, #9 for kobe + #19

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2007 2:45 PM]

PG Law or Crittenton
SG Gordon
SF Odom
PF Thomas
C Bynum

That team is competitive now and when it gets experience and a few more pieces it could be primed for when Duncan and Nash's windows are closing.
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6/19/2007  3:03 PM
that team is nowhere near competitive in the West, please... it'll take a couple years for that team to gel & develop, same as it would if the Lakers make the trade w/the Knicks.

PG - Collins (> Smush)
SG - Jamal (< Gordon)
SF - Odom
PF - D Lee (> Ty Thomas IMO)
C - Bynum
6th man - Balkman
backup C/PF - Frye

+ a late 1st round pick & unprotected future pick is nowhere near as far off from the Bulls' package as you want to make it out to be.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-19-2007 3:04 PM]
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6/19/2007  3:06 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

bulls package would probably be something like this:

ben, s&t nocioni, tyrus for kobe

OR

bulls renounce nocioni, putting them at $6+ mil under the cap
ben, tyrus, #9 for kobe + #19

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2007 2:45 PM]


I'd think the Bulls would have to include something else in the second trade for sure(Duhon's expiring contract) with the Lakers pick thrown in there but nevertheless they can offer a good deal to the Lakers. Better than any trade the Knicks could, with or without Curry involved which I SAY UGH has been cited for again today as saying Curry's untouchable. That in of itself is why you have to laugh at this franchise. We're a Mockery.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-19-2007 2:10 PM]
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6/19/2007  3:07 PM
Posted by TMS:

Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.

Who's the all star to compare to Gordon? Thomas has more upside and the potential to match up against the tough PF's in the western conference while Lee and Frye don't. The #9 pick has a chance to start right away or be a big contributor sooner rather than later while the #23 pick will be lucky to get minutes. Which future pick are they giving up when they're already on the hook for either 08, 09 or 10 to finish the Starbury trade? What's Balkman and Collins going to give the Lakers that Turiaf/Walton and Farmar/Parker can't?

How do the Lakers fit all those players on their roster? That's the problem with quantity over quality.
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6/19/2007  3:08 PM
Posted by TMS:

Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.

LMFAO you would gut the whole team of it's youth with that package and put us in an absolute situation of no injury can occur to the roster. Remember this team has proven it isn't capable of withstanding injuries.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.

LMFAO you would gut the whole team of it's youth with that package and put us in an absolute situation of no injury can occur to the roster. Remember this team has proven it isn't capable of withstanding injuries.

i don't give a crap how much we gut this team... right now our MAIN focus needs to be on getting ourselves a legit franchise calibre talent to pair up w/Curry & form an actual foundation to build on... you're kidding yourself if you think Isiah Thomas would blink an eyelash giving up that package to get Kobe in here... all this time you're saying that's a garbage package & now you're telling me i'm crazy for being willing to gut the roster... gimme a break.
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Posted by TMS:

that team is nowhere near competitive in the West, please... it'll take a couple years for that team to gel & develop, same as it would if the Lakers make the trade w/the Knicks.

PG - Collins (> Smush)
SG - Jamal (< Gordon)
SF - Odom
PF - D Lee (> Ty Thomas IMO)
C - Bynum
6th man - Balkman
backup C/PF - Frye

+ a late 1st round pick & unprotected future pick is nowhere near as far off from the Bulls' package as you want to make it out to be.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-19-2007 3:04 PM]

PG Parker > Collins (Law or Crittenton would be better too) - How do you possibly get Collins over Parker when Parker has averaged over 11 a game the last 2 years?

SG Gordon > Jamal - No debate

SF Odom

PF Thomas > Lee or Frye - in another year or 2 it's not even debateable. Lee and Frye would get abused by the PF's in the west

C Bynum

When I say competitive, I don't mean for a championship. They'd be around a .500 team with a chance of getting the 8th seed. But when they mature and add a few more pieces, they would stand to be a very good team. They would be like the Chicago team that got a chance to grow together.
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6/19/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.

LMFAO you would gut the whole team of it's youth with that package and put us in an absolute situation of no injury can occur to the roster. Remember this team has proven it isn't capable of withstanding injuries.

i don't give a crap how much we gut this team... right now our MAIN focus needs to be on getting ourselves a legit franchise calibre talent to pair up w/Curry & form an actual foundation to build on... you're kidding yourself if you think Isiah Thomas would blink an eyelash giving up that package to get Kobe in here... all this time you're saying that's a garbage package & now you're telling me i'm crazy for being willing to gut the roster... gimme a break.


Because both apply. Our team would be capped out with zero window for improvement... here's the roster

pg=Marbury/Nate
g=Kobe/Francis
sf=Q
pf=Jeffries/Malik
C=Curry/Morris/James

Q's back is still in question even after the surgery. Francis still doesn't fit and has bum knee. Marbury is becoming a walking injury. If any starter goes down, which is highly probable, possibly 2 go down our season instantly over and I'm not sure if that roster is that good. We'd have absolutely zero rebounding, very suspect 3 pt shooting, zero interior D, questionable perimeter D, No midrange game outside of Kobe, become strictly a halfcourt team, no starter could ever get into foul trouble, we'd have no bench, we'd have 4 players on the team who absolutely must have the ball at all times or else mayhem breaks loose.

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Posted by TMS:

Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.

Who's the all star to compare to Gordon? Thomas has more upside and the potential to match up against the tough PF's in the western conference while Lee and Frye don't. The #9 pick has a chance to start right away or be a big contributor sooner rather than later while the #23 pick will be lucky to get minutes. Which future pick are they giving up when they're already on the hook for either 08, 09 or 10 to finish the Starbury trade? What's Balkman and Collins going to give the Lakers that Turiaf/Walton and Farmar/Parker can't?

How do the Lakers fit all those players on their roster? That's the problem with quantity over quality.

i didn't realize Ben Gordon was an Allstar... which year did he make the team?

Gordon's definitely the most talented individual talent in that deal, but i think the Knicks would be willing to give up heaven & earth to get Kobe, & i don't think the Bulls would be able to match the sheer depth of that package.

i just showed u how they'd fit the players on their roster... fill in Farmar, Rado, Mo Evans, Cook & Vujacic to round out the roster... all the other players they have now are pending free agents this offseason... they can choose to keep Kwame or use his expiring contract in a trade to get themselves another player & still make it work.

i highly disagree that Ty Thomas is somehow more suited to bang against the bigger PF's in the Western Conference than D Lee or Frye... the guy's a skinnier clone of Kenyon Martin only less talented in my eyes... i think he's better suited for a team like the Suns, or an Eastern Conference team, that has a run & gun type mentality... D Lee is already a very good starting calibre PF in my eyes... Ty Thomas is still very raw & needs a lot of work on his overall game... he's all hops & not much else right now.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.

LMFAO you would gut the whole team of it's youth with that package and put us in an absolute situation of no injury can occur to the roster. Remember this team has proven it isn't capable of withstanding injuries.

i don't give a crap how much we gut this team... right now our MAIN focus needs to be on getting ourselves a legit franchise calibre talent to pair up w/Curry & form an actual foundation to build on... you're kidding yourself if you think Isiah Thomas would blink an eyelash giving up that package to get Kobe in here... all this time you're saying that's a garbage package & now you're telling me i'm crazy for being willing to gut the roster... gimme a break.


Because both apply. Our team would be capped out with zero window for improvement... here's the roster

pg=Marbury/Nate
g=Kobe/Francis
sf=Q
pf=Jeffries/Malik
C=Curry/Morris/James

Q's back is still in question even after the surgery. Francis still doesn't fit and has bum knee. Marbury is becoming a walking injury. If any starter goes down, which is highly probable, possibly 2 go down our season instantly over and I'm not sure if that roster is that good. We'd have absolutely zero rebounding, very suspect 3 pt shooting, zero interior D, questionable perimeter D, No midrange game outside of Kobe, become strictly a halfcourt team, no starter could ever get into foul trouble, we'd have no bench, we'd have 4 players on the team who absolutely must have the ball at all times or else mayhem breaks loose.

stop spinning your arguments back & forth to suit the arguments... either you feel the package is garbage or you think it's too much to give up... you can't have it both ways... anyone who wouldn't be willing to give that up to get the next version of MJ in NY is delusional... i don't care how thin that leaves the team... i'll take my chances w/Curry/Kobe/Marbury/Q Rich/Malik for now & fill in the rest later, & i'm pretty sure Isiah would also... but since i know nothing that Isiah does can possibly live up to your standards, let's just agree to disagree on this... we're not getting anywhere.
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6/19/2007  3:29 PM
TMS apparently you haven't got the memo that the Knicks aren't currently one of Kobe's got to teams. It's Dallas, Phx, Bulls and his agent called Orlando the other day.
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