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6/16/2007  11:12 PM
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6/16/2007  11:20 PM
Rich Bucher on ESPN just reconfirmed Kobe wants out and this time there is nothing ownership can do.

Wait uhhhh didn't he say this 2 weeks ago? Lakers need to lick their wounds and start over. They should have never traded Shaq when they did.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-16-2007 10:36 PM]
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6/16/2007  11:25 PM
This just in: Kobe has changed his mind. He now wants to stay in LA.
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6/16/2007  11:32 PM
I dont think Chicago will gut their team to get Kobe.

They have no post scoring as it is, and if they trade Luol Deng and/or Ben Gordon, their team will just be kobe, and Kirk, and that is worse than

Kobe + Lamar + Kwame + Bynum
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6/16/2007  11:35 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

This just in: Kobe has changed his mind. He now wants to stay in LA.

Not this time I don't think
A Kobe Trade Before Draft Night?
16th June, 2007 - 10:33 pm
Ric Bucher/ESPN -
Ric Bucher of ESPN reports that Kobe Bryant wants to be traded to either the Bulls, Suns or Knicks.

The Lakers reportedly do not want Bryant to remain within the Western Conference and that the Knicks are unlikely to have enough talent to get a deal done, which makes Chicago the prohibitive favorites.

Bucher reports some GM's expect a trade to be completed before the draft.
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6/16/2007  11:36 PM
Can you all just FEEEEEEEEEEEL the chances of the Knicks getting Kobe growing with every day .

MAN this off season is just bubbling and ready to BOIL!


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6/16/2007  11:36 PM
I think he'll go to the knicks.
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6/16/2007  11:39 PM
We can offer more I think than the Bulls will, just because the Bulls will not gut their team to get Kobe. The knicks actually have a lot more talent after their starting 5 than the bulls do. And big contracts to make it work.
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6/16/2007  11:40 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Can you all just FEEEEEEEEEEEL the chances of the Knicks getting Kobe growing with every day .

MAN this off season is just bubbling and ready to BOIL!


LOL We don't have the assets Lakers want. No chance he comes here. Just think if we had Bynum instead of Frye, we could offer Bynum, Lee,(hopefully Malik as filler) and Crawford for Kobe.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-16-2007 10:52 PM]
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6/16/2007  11:41 PM
We obviously do not have the assets. Lets not get our hopes up.
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6/16/2007  11:47 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Can you all just FEEEEEEEEEEEL the chances of the Knicks getting Kobe growing with every day .

MAN this off season is just bubbling and ready to BOIL!

LOL We don't have the assets Lakers want. No chance he comes here. Just think if we had Bynum instead of Frye, we could offer Bynum, Lee, and Crawford for Kobe.
Bynum, Lee, Crawford is not enough money to matchup.

The bulls do not have the contracts to make it match up unless they Sign and trade noci and PJ brown.
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6/16/2007  11:52 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

We can offer more I think than the Bulls will, just because the Bulls will not gut their team to get Kobe. The knicks actually have a lot more talent after their starting 5 than the bulls do. And big contracts to make it work.

Here's who the Lakers don't want on our team
32 Renaldo Balkman

26 Kelvin Cato

25 Mardy Collins

11 Jamal Crawford

34 Eddy Curry

1 Steve Francis

7 Channing Frye

13 Jerome James

20 Jared Jeffries

42 David Lee

3 Stephon Marbury

5 Randolph Morris

23 Quentin Richardson

4 Nate Robinson

31 Malik Rose

No seriously they don't want.....Malik, Nate, Q, Morris, Marbury, Jeffries, Francis, James.....so that leaves

Curry, Crawford, Lee, Balkman and Collins now they are going to want or take at 3 of the 5 young players, if not 4. To make salaries work 2 of those 3 players have to be Curry and Crawford and the 3rd players is probably Lee. If Curry is worth 2 unprotected lottery picks rest assured Kobe is worth that. So that means Kuptchak will ask for either an unprotected pick and another young player probably Frye or Balkman. That would leave the Knicks with an Older team with no future. Keep in mind though I SAY UGH is already on record saying Curry is going nowhere, well scratch re modify the above and automatically put Frye in on the trade and add Malik just for filler purposes add another the unprotected pick. So the final trade is...

Crawford
Malik
Lee
Frye
2 Unprotected Picks

4

Kobe
Brian Cook



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-16-2007 10:55 PM]
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6/16/2007  11:58 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Caseloads:

We can offer more I think than the Bulls will, just because the Bulls will not gut their team to get Kobe. The knicks actually have a lot more talent after their starting 5 than the bulls do. And big contracts to make it work.

Here's who the Lakers don't want on our team
32 Renaldo Balkman

26 Kelvin Cato

25 Mardy Collins

11 Jamal Crawford

34 Eddy Curry

1 Steve Francis

7 Channing Frye

13 Jerome James

20 Jared Jeffries

42 David Lee

3 Stephon Marbury

5 Randolph Morris

23 Quentin Richardson

4 Nate Robinson

31 Malik Rose

No seriously they don't want.....Malik, Nate, Q, Morris, Marbury, Jeffries, Francis, James.....so that leaves

Curry, Crawford, Lee, Balkman and Collins now they are going to want or take at 3 of the 5 young players, if not 4. To make salaries work 2 of those 3 players have to be Curry and Crawford and the 3rd players is probably Lee. If Curry is worth 2 unprotected lottery picks rest assured Kobe is worth that. So that means Kuptchak will ask for either an unprotected pick and another young player probably Frye or Balkman. That would leave the Knicks with an Older team with no future. Keep in mind though I SAY UGH is already on record saying Curry is going nowhere, well scratch re modify the above and automatically put Frye in on the trade and add Malik just for filler purposes add another the unprotected pick. So the final trade is...

Crawford
Malik
Lee
Frye
2 Unprotected Picks

4

Kobe
Brian Cook
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-16-2007 10:55 PM]

Crawford - fine, he's redundant with KoME coming here
Malik - he never got burn here anyway
Lee - You've got to give to get. Plus, we've got Balkman, who does what lee does, but better D
Frye - Second season, he was a flat out SCRUB
2 Unprotected Picks - IT will never be allowed to Unprotect a pick again. But it's worth 2 more picks for Kobe. Whatever.

4

Kobe - great. now we have someone on this team with balls.
Brian Cook - he can play the crappy Frye role here. But maybe better.
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6/17/2007  12:02 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Can you all just FEEEEEEEEEEEL the chances of the Knicks getting Kobe growing with every day .

MAN this off season is just bubbling and ready to BOIL!


LOL We don't have the assets Lakers want. No chance he comes here. Just think if we had Bynum instead of Frye, we could offer Bynum, Lee,(hopefully Malik as filler) and Crawford for Kobe.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-16-2007 10:52 PM]

NEWSFLASH that ship sailed already. To me the kid is rookie year EC2 just with better defense
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6/17/2007  12:17 AM
even the chosen one could not hold off the lowest veiwed finals to date.

bring kobe to new york and all of that will change overnight.......nnnext problem
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6/17/2007  12:18 AM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Can you all just FEEEEEEEEEEEL the chances of the Knicks getting Kobe growing with every day .

MAN this off season is just bubbling and ready to BOIL!


LOL We don't have the assets Lakers want. No chance he comes here. Just think if we had Bynum instead of Frye, we could offer Bynum, Lee,(hopefully Malik as filler) and Crawford for Kobe.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-16-2007 10:52 PM]

NEWSFLASH that ship sailed already. To me the kid is rookie year EC2 just with better defense
eddy curry was a better scorer as a rookie. and is bynum's defense all that much better?
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6/17/2007  12:20 AM
Posted by Bobby:

even the chosen one could not hold off the lowest veiwed finals to date.

bring kobe to new york and all of that will change overnight.......nnnext problem
LeBron = LeBoring. He's not clutch.

And his teammates SUCK. And Cleveland the city is trash.
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6/17/2007  12:34 AM
Two Kobe Bryant trade scenarios

By Chad Ford
ESPN.com


More than two weeks after Kobe Bryant made his trade request to the Lakers, he still wants out, says his agent.

"Kobe's position remains unchanged," Bryant's agent Rob Pelinka told ESPN.com on Friday. "Kobe would like to be moved."

In fact, Kobe met with owner Jerry Buss on Friday and once again voiced his desire to be traded.

The question remains, will the Lakers move him? The head says no. But the scuttlebutt suggests otherwise. A number of GMs and agents around the league seem convinced that he's going to be traded.


The Lakers had strong interest in trading for Jermaine O'Neal before Kobe's trade request. But that interest has cooled since then. Why? The Lakers have been saying that the Pacers' asking price (Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and the No. 19 pick) is too high. But maybe it's because there's no need to bring in a big-money player like O'Neal and gut the team if Kobe isn't going to be around.

From what I can gather, the Lakers would have two conditions to meet in any Kobe Bryant trade:

1. They want to send him to the Eastern Conference.
2. They need a star player back in return.

The Eastern Conference preference would potentially rule out such places as Phoenix and Golden State, both of which have significant assets and interest.

And, of course, the lack of available stars would rule out just about every team in the East, including the Knicks.

Some East teams lack the star power to bid directly for Bryant. Others have stars that aren't going anywhere.

For instance, the Cavs and Heat have superstars LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, but both are untouchable. Ditto, apparently, for Dwight Howard in Orlando.

Chicago, from what I hear, is Bryant's first preference, and he might be willing to waive his no-trade clause to play there. While the Bulls have lots of assets, such as Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and the No. 9 pick in the draft, that package lacks true star power.

Based on my conversations with various sources around the league, I see two intriguing possibilities if the Lakers are looking for an Eastern Conference star -- the Wizards' Gilbert Arenas and the Celtics' Paul Pierce.


Scenario 1

Arenas isn't Kobe, in talent or stardom. But he is from Los Angeles, he's more than three years younger, he has great magnetism and, like Bryant, he can fill the seats.

With Arenas saying he'll opt out of his contract with Washington next summer, the Wizards might want to start looking at ways to move him now before running the risk of losing him for nothing.

Here's one potential trade, with Bryant headed to Chicago and Arenas to L.A.

The Bulls would send Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and P.J. Brown (sign-and-trade) to Washington, and the No. 9 pick to L.A.

The Lakers would send Bryant to Chicago.

The Wizards would send Arenas and Etan Thomas to L.A.

Under that scenario, which couldn't be completed until mid-July, the Lakers would get a star player (Arenas) and a high draft pick (No. 9) which, I'm told, they'd use to get Yi Jianlian if he's still on the board.

The Bulls would be paying a very high price for Kobe -- two high lottery picks and this year's No. 9. But the Bulls would keep Deng, something they desperately want to do. On the other hand, they still wouldn't have a low-post scorer.

The Wizards would avoid having to break the bank for Arenas next summer, would bring in two very talented young players and would get some serious cap relief down the road.


Scenario 2

A similar trade could work if the Lakers were willing to substitute Boston and Paul Pierce. While Pierce is almost 30 years old, I'm told the Lakers like him -- and he's from L.A. too.

The Bulls would send Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and P.J. Brown (sign-and-trade) to Boston, and the No. 9 pick to L.A.

The Lakers would send Bryant to Chicago.

The Celtics would send Pierce to L.A.

That deal would make the Celtics even younger than they already are, but it would also give them plenty of assets to continue making deals.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

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6/17/2007  12:56 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by Bobby:

even the chosen one could not hold off the lowest veiwed finals to date.

bring kobe to new york and all of that will change overnight.......nnnext problem
LeBron = LeBoring. He's not clutch.

And his teammates SUCK. And Cleveland the city is trash.

yep.......
and cavs were at the right place the the right time. kinda like a freak of nature.
this year the cavs lucked out. next season will be a little tougher.





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6/17/2007  1:06 AM
Thanks Isles.

First of all - Paul Pierce is not Kobe. Paul Pierce would not make the Lakers better than celts currently are, which means, they'd be missing the playoffs in the West and not getting younger.

The Bulls would get a huge steal here, basically Kobe for Gordon.

No way do the Celts do this trade, especially giving up Paul Pierce and not getting the #9 pick. Also, why the hell would they want PJ Brown. They should demand ben wallace if they are giving up paul pierce. Let the Bulls keep PJ Brown.

And why would the wiz give up Arenas for Gordon, who they are going to have to pay up anyway once his rook deal is over?

Why would the Celts or Wiz want to help CHICAGO get Kobe? Makes ZERO sense to me.


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