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djsunyc
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6/11/2007  8:24 PM
more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.
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6/11/2007  8:32 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

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6/11/2007  8:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.
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6/11/2007  8:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

does that rotation even win 42 games? i'm not so sure.
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6/11/2007  8:52 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

does that rotation even win 42 games? i'm not so sure.
who is their bench?

Pau was traded from ATL for the #3. Now he's going to be traded back for the #3?
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6/11/2007  9:07 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

does that rotation even win 42 games? i'm not so sure.
who is their bench?

Pau was traded from ATL for the #3. Now he's going to be traded back for the #3?


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6/11/2007  9:15 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

does that rotation even win 42 games? i'm not so sure.

42 wins would have gotten them the 6th seed this year. And that's a young team with huge potential to grow, draft picks, and I think still some cap space
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6/11/2007  9:28 PM
That team would play the spurs better than the cavs are I tell you that!

I'm not worried about this Atlanta rumor.

The knicks are supposed to end up with:
JO
Artest
Curry
Marbs
Kobe

I'd say the knicks are good to go.
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6/11/2007  10:48 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

does that rotation even win 42 games? i'm not so sure.

42 wins would have gotten them the 6th seed this year. And that's a young team with huge potential to grow, draft picks, and I think still some cap space

what draft picks? you're trading the #3 for Pau & the #11 & Childress for a couple of minor role players in that scenario... & what cap space? you add Pau's maxed out contract that runs through 2011 & that team will be capped out until 2010 in all likelihood when you factor in all the other salaries of players you will need to fill the roster to field a contending calibre team... let's not make these automatic assumptions that every other team in the NBA is in a better position than the Knicks are in terms of talent to contend in the coming years... i'll put up the Knicks' roster against that Hawks roster anyday of the week, & i'm not even saying the Knicks' roster is even all that good... i just don't see how that Hawks team would do much of anything by simply adding Pau Gasol & a couple minor role players... that team would need a lot more than that to make much noise in the East next season... i think they'd be much better off in the long run to trade down from the #3 spot & parlay that pick into 2 1st round picks if they can, then take Conley w/their first available pick to be their PG to build around.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-11-2007 11:02 PM]
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6/11/2007  10:53 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

That team would play the spurs better than the cavs are I tell you that!

I'm not worried about this Atlanta rumor.

The knicks are supposed to end up with:
JO
Artest
Curry
Marbs
Kobe

I'd say the knicks are good to go.

You left off a lot more players LOL. If things go as planned the 2007-2008 Knicks will blow away the 1992 USA Dream Team.
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6/11/2007  11:13 PM
not bad for atlanta, I might renew my season tickets if that happens....
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6/12/2007  9:33 AM
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the Hawks passed on Gasol when they had a chance to select him at 3 the year he was available

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6/12/2007  9:34 AM
moral - whatever the Hawks do, it will be jacked up
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6/12/2007  9:48 AM
Just for the record Atlanta does have more talent and is in a better position than us. Their two best players are better than our two best players. They have two nice draft selections and cap space.

Josh Smith vs. Eddy Curry

JS 16.4pts 8.6rbs 3.3ass 2.9blks 1.4stls AGE: 21
EC 19.5pts 7.0rbs 0.8ass 0.5blks 0.4stls AGE: 24

JJ 25pts 4.2rbs 4.4ass 1.0stls 47%fg 38%3fg
SM 16.4pts 2.9rbs 5.4ass 1.0stls 42%fg 36%3fg

Its not really an assumption when the hawks are healthy we never beat them, they are not going to do the deal to take paul, they have marvin williams and josh childress showing promise. They have the ability to trade those guys and get something good......

Lee and Balkman are right there as far as young guys go as well, but you have to factor in the 3 and 11. If they decide to go small something the nba is doing horford could play center since he has a 7'3 winspan and is 6'11 in shoes......And the landlord is going to be a nice guy off the bench.....

So there is no comparison as far as talent
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6/12/2007  9:52 AM
Posted by misterearl:

moral - whatever the Hawks do, it will be jacked up

think there's a moral going around the league about one Isiah Thomas and the Knicks?
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6/12/2007  9:59 AM
If this is such a deep draft- why trade the 3 pick for Pau?
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6/12/2007  10:01 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

does that rotation even win 42 games? i'm not so sure.

42 wins would have gotten them the 6th seed this year. And that's a young team with huge potential to grow, draft picks, and I think still some cap space

what draft picks? you're trading the #3 for Pau & the #11 & Childress for a couple of minor role players in that scenario... & what cap space? you add Pau's maxed out contract that runs through 2011 & that team will be capped out until 2010 in all likelihood when you factor in all the other salaries of players you will need to fill the roster to field a contending calibre team... let's not make these automatic assumptions that every other team in the NBA is in a better position than the Knicks are in terms of talent to contend in the coming years... i'll put up the Knicks' roster against that Hawks roster anyday of the week, & i'm not even saying the Knicks' roster is even all that good... i just don't see how that Hawks team would do much of anything by simply adding Pau Gasol & a couple minor role players... that team would need a lot more than that to make much noise in the East next season... i think they'd be much better off in the long run to trade down from the #3 spot & parlay that pick into 2 1st round picks if they can, then take Conley w/their first available pick to be their PG to build around.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-11-2007 11:02 PM]

I was talking about draft picks in future years. Unlike us, they haven't given away several picks through 2011. They at least have a manageable payroll if they are over the cap after this trade. (I indicated that I wasn't sure and didn't want to take the time to check what their payroll would be.) They'd also have several two-way players who have shown continuous improvement in their careers.
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6/12/2007  4:29 PM
payroll, schmayroll... the Hawks 9man ownership by committee is flawed way to run a sports franchise

you can take that to the bank
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6/12/2007  4:38 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

does that rotation even win 42 games? i'm not so sure.

42 wins would have gotten them the 6th seed this year. And that's a young team with huge potential to grow, draft picks, and I think still some cap space

what draft picks? you're trading the #3 for Pau & the #11 & Childress for a couple of minor role players in that scenario... & what cap space? you add Pau's maxed out contract that runs through 2011 & that team will be capped out until 2010 in all likelihood when you factor in all the other salaries of players you will need to fill the roster to field a contending calibre team... let's not make these automatic assumptions that every other team in the NBA is in a better position than the Knicks are in terms of talent to contend in the coming years... i'll put up the Knicks' roster against that Hawks roster anyday of the week, & i'm not even saying the Knicks' roster is even all that good... i just don't see how that Hawks team would do much of anything by simply adding Pau Gasol & a couple minor role players... that team would need a lot more than that to make much noise in the East next season... i think they'd be much better off in the long run to trade down from the #3 spot & parlay that pick into 2 1st round picks if they can, then take Conley w/their first available pick to be their PG to build around.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-11-2007 11:02 PM]

I was talking about draft picks in future years. Unlike us, they haven't given away several picks through 2011. They at least have a manageable payroll if they are over the cap after this trade. (I indicated that I wasn't sure and didn't want to take the time to check what their payroll would be.) They'd also have several two-way players who have shown continuous improvement in their careers.

what other picks do we owe after this year? a protected 1st rounder due by 2010, & a 2nd rounder... is that the several picks you're talking about, or do we owe more? & it doesn't matter if they're over the cap by $2 million or $20 million... being over the cap means you can't sign any FA's other than the MLE... take a look at Gasol's obscene contract & tell me how the Hawks are going to make significant moves in the coming seasons w/him on their cap for the next 4 years, playing in the market they're playing in, & w/their notoriously cheapskate owner.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-12-2007 4:41 PM]
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6/12/2007  5:15 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

more rumors to talk about and chow down on...

apparently there's some talk about pau going to atlanta for the #3 pick.

and vescey told toronto radio that the hawks have offered childress + #11 for calderon + graham.

if atlanta consumates those deals, this is what their starting 5 would look like:

calderon, joe johnson, josh smith, marvin williams, pau

in the east, that could make some serious noise.

does that rotation even win 42 games? i'm not so sure.

42 wins would have gotten them the 6th seed this year. And that's a young team with huge potential to grow, draft picks, and I think still some cap space

what draft picks? you're trading the #3 for Pau & the #11 & Childress for a couple of minor role players in that scenario... & what cap space? you add Pau's maxed out contract that runs through 2011 & that team will be capped out until 2010 in all likelihood when you factor in all the other salaries of players you will need to fill the roster to field a contending calibre team... let's not make these automatic assumptions that every other team in the NBA is in a better position than the Knicks are in terms of talent to contend in the coming years... i'll put up the Knicks' roster against that Hawks roster anyday of the week, & i'm not even saying the Knicks' roster is even all that good... i just don't see how that Hawks team would do much of anything by simply adding Pau Gasol & a couple minor role players... that team would need a lot more than that to make much noise in the East next season... i think they'd be much better off in the long run to trade down from the #3 spot & parlay that pick into 2 1st round picks if they can, then take Conley w/their first available pick to be their PG to build around.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-11-2007 11:02 PM]

I was talking about draft picks in future years. Unlike us, they haven't given away several picks through 2011. They at least have a manageable payroll if they are over the cap after this trade. (I indicated that I wasn't sure and didn't want to take the time to check what their payroll would be.) They'd also have several two-way players who have shown continuous improvement in their careers.

what other picks do we owe after this year? a protected 1st rounder due by 2010, & a 2nd rounder... is that the several picks you're talking about, or do we owe more? & it doesn't matter if they're over the cap by $2 million or $20 million... being over the cap means you can't sign any FA's other than the MLE... take a look at Gasol's obscene contract & tell me how the Hawks are going to make significant moves in the coming seasons w/him on their cap for the next 4 years, playing in the market they're playing in, & w/their notoriously cheapskate owner.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-12-2007 4:41 PM]

We have a 2nd rd pick from the Curry trade, which will probably be around 39 if we stay at the level we've been at and the unprotected Marbury pick. I'm not sure if there are any others. If you give Isiah a little time, I'm sure he'll find some more ways to give up picks, though. And salaries do matter even if you're over the cap. It's much harder to trade overpaid players. I used to be the Dolan/Isiah homer that 1/3 of the board is and didn't appreciate that like 1/3 of the board still doesn't.
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