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6/7/2007  12:25 PM
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But soon, the sticky decisions begin, most notably how to handle Shawn Marion. If they can trade him and get great value in return (ie: a high draft pick), the Suns will solve the long-term financial puzzle in one maneuver. One team source said it's about 50-50 that Marion gets jettisoned, but if he stays, something or someone has to give.
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6/7/2007  12:27 PM
NJ should look into a S&T for Vince even up for Marion.
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6/7/2007  12:56 PM
They would want jefferson instead of carter, which they should look into....

I would look to trade with Atlanta again perhaps Barbosa and Diaw for the 3 and 11 if the Hawks would go for it
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6/7/2007  1:09 PM
Suns won't give up those guys for draft picks... they're both signed to reasonable contracts & are integral parts of their team right now... they just need another premier scoring option to pair up with Nash to take the next step & beat teams like the Spurs & Mavs in a postseason series... i think Vince for Marion works well for both teams.
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6/7/2007  1:20 PM
Your on drugs if you don't think they would do that deal. All they want to do is dump Diaw, and will do anything in their power to do so. He isn't that valuable and if they have the chance to take another big to play alongside amare or a point they will do it.....

They would probably take Horford to play next to Amare with the 3rd pick which would improve their defense. Diaws contract is not all that reasonable he is making 9 million to 2012. Barbosa is a steal but he is on the books till 2012.....

If you had the choice to keep marion and get two picks trade him those two you would.....

16 million a year for those guys combined.....If the Suns want to stay young and still compete

Amare
Horford
Marion
Bell
Nash

Thats going to get it done
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Posted by MS:

Your on drugs if you don't think they would do that deal. All they want to do is dump Diaw, and will do anything in their power to do so. He isn't that valuable and if they have the chance to take another big to play alongside amare or a point they will do it.....

They would probably take Horford to play next to Amare with the 3rd pick which would improve their defense. Diaws contract is not all that reasonable he is making 9 million to 2012. Barbosa is a steal but he is on the books till 2012.....

If you had the choice to keep marion and get two picks trade him those two you would.....

16 million a year for those guys combined.....If the Suns want to stay young and still compete

Amare
Horford
Marion
Bell
Nash

Thats going to get it done

How about Crawford & Frye for Diaw?
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6/7/2007  3:02 PM
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How about Crawford & Frye for Diaw?

you know what, crawford could be a really good fit for the suns. he could play next to nash or spell him at the point. he'd hit his 3s at a higher % and throw some alley-oops in that offense, and his defense wouldn't be the same liability - he'd probably even put up solid steals stats.
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6/7/2007  3:10 PM
the PERFECT trade for Pheonix would be sending Marion and Marcus Banks to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace (expiring), Brevin Knight, and Othello Harrington.


Pheonix saves money and gets a sufficient replacement, atleast for a year, and Charlotte gets a STACKED frontline.
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Posted by MS:

Your on drugs if you don't think they would do that deal. All they want to do is dump Diaw, and will do anything in their power to do so. He isn't that valuable and if they have the chance to take another big to play alongside amare or a point they will do it.....

They would probably take Horford to play next to Amare with the 3rd pick which would improve their defense. Diaws contract is not all that reasonable he is making 9 million to 2012. Barbosa is a steal but he is on the books till 2012.....

If you had the choice to keep marion and get two picks trade him those two you would.....

16 million a year for those guys combined.....If the Suns want to stay young and still compete

Amare
Horford
Marion
Bell
Nash

Thats going to get it done

if they were in a rebuilding situation, then absolutely i think they'd make that deal... but you get rid of 2 essential parts of that ready made contender & replace them w/inexperienced rooks & see how Nash & Amare feel about it... i guarantee you both those guys would much rather the Suns go after a perimeter scoring threat like Vince if they're going to trade Marion rather than give up Diaw & Barbosa for those picks... that's my opinion... if you don't agree, that's yours.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by MS:

Your on drugs if you don't think they would do that deal. All they want to do is dump Diaw, and will do anything in their power to do so. He isn't that valuable and if they have the chance to take another big to play alongside amare or a point they will do it.....

They would probably take Horford to play next to Amare with the 3rd pick which would improve their defense. Diaws contract is not all that reasonable he is making 9 million to 2012. Barbosa is a steal but he is on the books till 2012.....

If you had the choice to keep marion and get two picks trade him those two you would.....

16 million a year for those guys combined.....If the Suns want to stay young and still compete

Amare
Horford
Marion
Bell
Nash

Thats going to get it done

if they were in a rebuilding situation, then absolutely i think they'd make that deal... but you get rid of 2 essential parts of that ready made contender & replace them w/inexperienced rooks & see how Nash & Amare feel about it... i guarantee you both those guys would much rather the Suns go after a perimeter scoring threat like Vince if they're going to trade Marion rather than give up Diaw & Barbosa for those picks... that's my opinion... if you don't agree, that's yours.

But the suns have done a great job of integrating new parts in- Tim Thomas looked great and helped them.
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6/7/2007  3:36 PM
Then they lose rebounding, shot blocking and defense. Vince just floats. They are looking to clear space, they are not rebuilding just retooling.

Whats different about Nash, Bell, Thomas, Marion, Amare, five guys who can start if you want, still have james jones to play a few minutes and now you can work banks in a little. Horford gives them more rebounding, shotblocking and muscle inside.

You have a nice chance to take a theodus young, mike conley, and build for the future, while keeping marion instead of moving him

Diaw is an alright player but no for the money especially with his work ethic.
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6/7/2007  3:36 PM
who did they have to give up for Tim Thomas?
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6/7/2007  3:37 PM
I think the only player the Suns really want to move is Banks. The Suns want to keep but know that cannot afford to keep Diaw. If a move is made, I think they would be trying to package those two. If we gave them Rose, Fyre, and Nate for Diaw, Banks, and the 24th pick, I think that would be a good trade for both sides. Nate is better than Banks and would add to their 3 point shooters. Frye is not as good as Diaw, but he has potential and fits within their offense. Plus, they don't have to resign either Frye or Nate and Rose comes off the books after next year, so they save over $10 million is salary over the long haul. Plus, they still have the 29th pick, so they will add a first round talent to the team.
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6/7/2007  4:17 PM
Ideally they could rebuild themselve with the atlanta deal and take one more crack out it with marion and then move him next year for some more young pieces, while nash works with conley who has proven to be a winner. They can add another defender this year like Affalo late perhaps and than position themselves in the free agent market.....

Barbosa isn't good enough to run a team as is evident every time nash is out of off the floor, so there is no need not to get another playmaker.
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6/7/2007  4:44 PM
THey should trade Marion for the Bobcats pick and Wallace or the Wolves pick , Ricky and Mike James
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6/7/2007  5:59 PM
Diaw could be a product of system though. Diaw is great for that system which I thought he would be when they first traded for him. But take him away from the system & Nash and is he as effective?
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The Suns want to trade the player that has the highest value around the league while at the same time clearing some money, that player is Marion. Everyone needs to get over the fact the time to trade Marion is now no matter how much of a hard on you all have for the guy, he'll be making $16.5mil this coming season and $17.8mil the one after that. Sorry as good as he is he's not worth keeping around when he has high value around the league and he won't get any better than he already is. He's also getting to that stage in his career where an injury is just waiting to happen. It's not like the Suns wouldn't win 50-55gms if the guy sat out every game next yr in street clothes.

Shawn Marion trades I would do if I were the Suns in no particular order some of these deals may require a swap of picks in this yr's draft.

- Marion, Banks 4 Mike Miller, Hakim Warrick, Mighty Mouse
- Marion, Banks, future first 4 Luol Deng, P.J. Brown(S&T 1 yr $6mil), Duhon, Griffin
- Marion, Banks 4 Gerald Wallace(S&T first yr starting salary $9mil), Brevin Knight(ask Bobcats to pick his option up) and Jake Voskuhl
- Marion, Thomas, future first 4 Mickel Pietrus(S&T first yr starting salary $7mil), Foyle, and Biedrins
- Marion, Banks 4 Speedy Claxton, Tyron Lue, Josh Smith or Marvin Williams, Lorenzen Wright
- Marion, 4 Camby, Najera, J.R. Smith

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-07-2007 6:42 PM]

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-10-2007 1:25 PM]
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Posted by TrueBlue:

The Suns want to trade the player that has the highest value around the league while at the same time clearing some money, that player is Marion. Everyone needs to get over the fact the time to trade Marion is now no matter how much of a hard you all have for the guy, he'll be making $16.5mil this coming season and $17.8mil the one after that. Sorry as good as he is he's not worth keeping around when he has high value and he won't get any better than he already is. He's also getting to that stage in his career where an injury is just waiting to happen. It's not like the Suns wouldn't win 50-55gms if the guy sat out every game next yr in street clothes.

Shawn Marion trades I would do if I were the Suns in no particular order

- Marion, Banks 4 Mike Miller, Hakim Warrick, Mighty Mouse
- Marion, Banks, future first 4 Luol Deng, P.J. Brown(S&T 1 yr $6mil), Duhon, Griffin
- Marion, Banks 4 Gerald Wallace(S&T first yr starting salary $9mil), Brevin Knight(ask Bobcats to pick his option up) and Jake Voskuhl
- Marion, Thomas, future first 4 Mickel Pietrus(S&T first yr starting salary $7mil), Foyle, and Biedrins
- Marion, Banks 4 Speedy Claxton, Tyron Lue, Josh Smith or Marvin Williams, Lorenzen Wright
- Marion, 4 Camby, Najera, J.R. Smith

Why turn a 60 win team into a 50 win team just to save money? It's not like they're in a rebuilding situation. They need to maximize wins while Nash has a few years left. I couldn't justify downgrading the roster just to save money in that scenario.
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6/7/2007  7:37 PM
at the kerr press conference, kerr, sarver, d'antoni, and giffin ALL said they are real close and they are there to take the "final" step. he also said they are planning to use the picks b/c they would like to bring in some youth to play behind the big guys.

they weren't asked nor did they talk about shedding salary or anything like that (something heavily rumored).

if marion goes, it will probably be for another player ready to help them win immediately. it's almost unheard of for a team that close just dumping players for youth and taking some big time steps back.

i would offer up marion for jermaine.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-07-2007 7:38 PM]
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TrueBlue:

The Suns want to trade the player that has the highest value around the league while at the same time clearing some money, that player is Marion. Everyone needs to get over the fact the time to trade Marion is now no matter how much of a hard you all have for the guy, he'll be making $16.5mil this coming season and $17.8mil the one after that. Sorry as good as he is he's not worth keeping around when he has high value and he won't get any better than he already is. He's also getting to that stage in his career where an injury is just waiting to happen. It's not like the Suns wouldn't win 50-55gms if the guy sat out every game next yr in street clothes.

Shawn Marion trades I would do if I were the Suns in no particular order

- Marion, Banks 4 Mike Miller, Hakim Warrick, Mighty Mouse
- Marion, Banks, future first 4 Luol Deng, P.J. Brown(S&T 1 yr $6mil), Duhon, Griffin
- Marion, Banks 4 Gerald Wallace(S&T first yr starting salary $9mil), Brevin Knight(ask Bobcats to pick his option up) and Jake Voskuhl
- Marion, Thomas, future first 4 Mickel Pietrus(S&T first yr starting salary $7mil), Foyle, and Biedrins
- Marion, Banks 4 Speedy Claxton, Tyron Lue, Josh Smith or Marvin Williams, Lorenzen Wright
- Marion, 4 Camby, Najera, J.R. Smith

Why turn a 60 win team into a 50 win team just to save money? It's not like they're in a rebuilding situation. They need to maximize wins while Nash has a few years left. I couldn't justify downgrading the roster just to save money in that scenario.

None of those trades really downgrade the roster and didn't the Pistons almost make it to the Finals letting Ben go while winning less games than the previous yr? The Suns won 54gms without Amare & Kurt made it to the WCF last yr and this yr full team in tact won 61gms didn't make it to the WCF(yes they probably were cheated to some degree depending on who you talk to) but regular season record is overrated when you're talking 55-60wins. LOL weren't people saying they downgraded when they traded Joe Johnson for Diaw?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-07-2007 6:51 PM]
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