Posted by nixluva:

Posted by djsunyc:

i wonder where jeffries 5 year $30 mil deal fit into the "we don't need ot do anything to set ourselves back" mantra.

Well did that set the team back in terms of their cap situation? It doesn't appear so, if they're due to drop about 46 mil when Steph, Steve and Rose drop off. Is Jared's money really a problem for the cap? 6 mil may be too much for Jared, but in terms of an NBA salary, it's not a lot.

DJ i've got to pull you away from the dark side. I sense that you've been sliding ever closer to that scary place There are better days ahead.

Posted by djsunyc:

i wonder where jeffries 5 year $30 mil deal fit into the "we don't need to do anything to set ourselves back" mantra.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by djsunyc:

i wonder where jeffries 5 year $30 mil deal fit into the "we don't need to do anything to set ourselves back" mantra.

i wonder where jerome james' 5yr $28mil deal fit into the "we don't need to do anything to set ourselves back" mantra?

i wonder where trading for steve francis 2yrs remaining @ $35mil fit into the "we don't need to do anything to set ourselves back" mantra?

I see you're still talking out the crack of your ass. Jerome was added back when we hadn't yet acquired Curry and that makes a big difference. He may have wanted Curry, but until he had him he had to make a move. No one likes the James deal, but it only goes one year beyond the Steph, Steve and Rose contracts. Which brings me to your Francis point. Did you not notice that his contract ends the exact year as Steph's. So there's no point to be made there. If you're talking about whether we should've gotten him at all that's a different question. But in terms of the cap and getting under it, he didn't impact that at all.

Posted by nyk4ever:

All these theories are dependent on the fact that Isiah ever had a "plan"

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by djsunyc:

i wonder where jeffries 5 year $30 mil deal fit into the "we don't need ot do anything to set ourselves back" mantra.

Well did that set the team back in terms of their cap situation? It doesn't appear so, if they're due to drop about 46 mil when Steph, Steve and Rose drop off. Is Jared's money really a problem for the cap? 6 mil may be too much for Jared, but in terms of an NBA salary, it's not a lot.

DJ i've got to pull you away from the dark side. I sense that you've been sliding ever closer to that scary place There are better days ahead.

Of course it set it back. Every dollar spent on some loser like Jeffries is a dollar you can't spend on someone who deserves it. And Jeffries $5MM is a significant amount of money that could have an impact on what options come available. Once in a while you can try to be objective, instead of being so predictable.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by djsunyc:

i wonder where jeffries 5 year $30 mil deal fit into the "we don't need ot do anything to set ourselves back" mantra.

Well did that set the team back in terms of their cap situation? It doesn't appear so, if they're due to drop about 46 mil when Steph, Steve and Rose drop off. Is Jared's money really a problem for the cap? 6 mil may be too much for Jared, but in terms of an NBA salary, it's not a lot.

DJ i've got to pull you away from the dark side. I sense that you've been sliding ever closer to that scary place There are better days ahead.

Of course it set it back. Every dollar spent on some loser like Jeffries is a dollar you can't spend on someone who deserves it. And Jeffries $5MM is a significant amount of money that could have an impact on what options come available. Once in a while you can try to be objective, instead of being so predictable.

He's incapable, simply his biggest challenge in life he's yet to conquer.

PLEASE! The question had nothing to do with the players value and everything to do with our ability to get under the cap. If I was asked whether I like the Jeffries deal for this team that would be a different question. Let's try to keep our points in synch. You guys love to try and paint me a certain way, but if you're going to do that at least get the point right!

When we got Jared we all knew that he wasn't a player that you add for his production. He's never put up great numbers. The point of adding him was supposed to be to give us a guy that can defend and move the ball. He had a rough 1st season, but that doesn't mean he can't play better. I hated the way he played this year. I also hated the way Frye played. I expected MUCH MORE from both. Perhaps we'll get more from them this year. Neither player is likely to cause us any problem in being players in the FA market in 2 years tho. SO WHAT'S YOUR DAMN POINT?

With the young prospects still on the roster such as Lee, Frye, Balkman, Mardy, and possibly Nate the team won't be far enough under the cap to get Kobe during the 2009 summer, because Jeffries, James, Q, and Crawford will be on the books, there's no way any of those players turn down the money coming to them Player Options. At best the Knicks will be somewhere around $10mil under the cap after you factor in the Cap holds(I really need to look the information up on cap holds) for the young players still on the roster with no extension handed out to them by then. Kobe would leave $24mil on the table that off-season to become a FA and New York is still way behind in making up that difference. Now if Jeffries and James weren't on the books we're talking a different language then.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about as usual.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by djsunyc:

i wonder where jeffries 5 year $30 mil deal fit into the "we don't need ot do anything to set ourselves back" mantra.

Well did that set the team back in terms of their cap situation? It doesn't appear so, if they're due to drop about 46 mil when Steph, Steve and Rose drop off. Is Jared's money really a problem for the cap? 6 mil may be too much for Jared, but in terms of an NBA salary, it's not a lot.

DJ i've got to pull you away from the dark side. I sense that you've been sliding ever closer to that scary place There are better days ahead.

Of course it set it back. Every dollar spent on some loser like Jeffries is a dollar you can't spend on someone who deserves it. And Jeffries $5MM is a significant amount of money that could have an impact on what options come available. Once in a while you can try to be objective, instead of being so predictable.

He's incapable, simply his biggest challenge in life he's yet to conquer.

PLEASE! The question had nothing to do with the players value and everything to do with our ability to get under the cap. If I was asked whether I like the Jeffries deal for this team that would be a different question. Let's try to keep our points in synch. You guys love to try and paint me a certain way, but if you're going to do that at least get the point right!

When we got Jared we all knew that he wasn't a player that you add for his production. He's never put up great numbers. The point of adding him was supposed to be to give us a guy that can defend and move the ball. He had a rough 1st season, but that doesn't mean he can't play better. I hated the way he played this year. I also hated the way Frye played. I expected MUCH MORE from both. Perhaps we'll get more from them this year. Neither player is likely to cause us any problem in being players in the FA market in 2 years tho. SO WHAT'S YOUR DAMN POINT?

You do understand that it's not just a matter of "being under the cap" but being WAY under the cap, in order to sign on of those premier free agents that you think your Master is looking at.

Because Isiah, in his grand wisdom, decided that these stiffs needed to be locked up for Max money at 5 years each, they needlessly take up cap space that will prevent the Knicks from being WAY under the cap.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by djsunyc:

i wonder where jeffries 5 year $30 mil deal fit into the "we don't need ot do anything to set ourselves back" mantra.

Well did that set the team back in terms of their cap situation? It doesn't appear so, if they're due to drop about 46 mil when Steph, Steve and Rose drop off. Is Jared's money really a problem for the cap? 6 mil may be too much for Jared, but in terms of an NBA salary, it's not a lot.

DJ i've got to pull you away from the dark side. I sense that you've been sliding ever closer to that scary place There are better days ahead.

Of course it set it back. Every dollar spent on some loser like Jeffries is a dollar you can't spend on someone who deserves it. And Jeffries $5MM is a significant amount of money that could have an impact on what options come available. Once in a while you can try to be objective, instead of being so predictable.

He's incapable, simply his biggest challenge in life he's yet to conquer.

PLEASE! The question had nothing to do with the players value and everything to do with our ability to get under the cap. If I was asked whether I like the Jeffries deal for this team that would be a different question. Let's try to keep our points in synch. You guys love to try and paint me a certain way, but if you're going to do that at least get the point right!

When we got Jared we all knew that he wasn't a player that you add for his production. He's never put up great numbers. The point of adding him was supposed to be to give us a guy that can defend and move the ball. He had a rough 1st season, but that doesn't mean he can't play better. I hated the way he played this year. I also hated the way Frye played. I expected MUCH MORE from both. Perhaps we'll get more from them this year. Neither player is likely to cause us any problem in being players in the FA market in 2 years tho. SO WHAT'S YOUR DAMN POINT?

You do understand that it's not just a matter of "being under the cap" but being WAY under the cap, in order to sign on of those premier free agents that you think your Master is looking at.

Because Isiah, in his grand wisdom, decided that these stiffs needed to be locked up for Max money at 5 years each, they needlessly take up cap space that will prevent the Knicks from being WAY under the cap.

His essays are comical to read at best. I would be very tired of tripping over myself posting here defending I SAY UGH but then again when you're related to him what can you expect.