Best: Collins may turn out to be a Bruce Bowen type defender with a so-so offensive game

Worst: modern day Rick Brunson

Bruce Bowen???

How about Bucks Gary Payton best case

Worst Case Lakers/Bulls Ron Harper

[Edited by - anji on 05-28-2007 8:27 PM]

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Anji:

Bruce Bowen???

How about Bucks Gary Payton best case

Worst Case Lakers/Bulls Ron Harper

LOL. You crack me up. Thanks, dude.

Best case: The player Frank Williams was expected to become
Worst case: Frank Williams

[Edited by - Solace on May 28 2007 9:32 PM]

That about sums it up. If Frank had kept in shape and was giving the chance to keep starting (before the Marbury trade...or Moochie), he could have had a real future in this league.
We got a second chance with Mardy. I think we can make the most of it.

yup, our backup points is bringing us a championship.

Best Case - Ron Harper
Worst Case - The Marty Collins from the beginning of the year

I think we should wait until he's got more than the last 2 months of the season under his belt before we judge him, especially since Clyde is going to work out with him this offseason.

I consider him to be a Derek Harper type player also. But I was going with Bowen for best possible scenario.

Ron Harper was a good player. So I would love to see MC become Harper, at his worse. I like the Frank Will comparisions as well.

Best case: Journeyman Rick Brunson type

Worst case: Out of the NBA after his guaranteed contract is expired

Most likely case: Frank Williams part deux

In all seriousness, how can people have his worst case scenario be that he's better than players who were good. Doesn't worst case mean 'if he completely flops'? Becoming Charlie Ward, Derek Harper, Ron Harper, etc... would be a positive, or at least, not a negative. Those were GOOD players and getting a good player, especially a starter, out of the #29 pick is pretty decent.

Posted by purple012870:

Derek Harper??? Are you kidding me?? Harper was a top 5 PG during his prime. Mardy Collins may be a decent backup but won't ever be among the top 30 PG's in the league. He's not quick, doesn't jump well, doesn't shoot well at all. There are some things he does well, but let's not go overboard with lofty comparisons like Derek Harper.

How about Anthony Johnson - a serviceable, dependable back-up PG???

Not quick? OK, not like Tony Parker but he's deceptively fast and has excellent hands on defense. Isn't quickness often associated with stealing? I'm having a hard time thinking of any players that were good at steals that were slow. Ward was pretty darn quick when he was younger, and is probably close to where Collins is now, without the jumper, although I think he's bigger and stronger than Ward, and has more hops and offensive ideas. How about we use evidence from the numbers instead of subjective statements. Check Collins' stats late in the season, especially steals, rebounds and assists:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mardy_collins/game_by_game_stats.html

In the game against Milwaukee he had 5 steals, 12 rebounds and 8 assists to go with 19 points in a win. Ok, so that game went to OT, but other games late in the year look similar, numbers wise. And this is a borderline NBA player? Rick Brunson? Did Rick Brunson EVER have games like that? The answer is obviously no. Some of you are seriously beyond ridiculous with your hatred of all things Isiah, that it's become parody and practically impossible to even engage in a reasonable discussion about anything that could be positive about the Knicks' future (hence why I generally have tried to discuss less with all too many here).

Did you watch him play late in the year? Can't jump well? HA! Watch the games where he was going to the rack and dunk it on players. I remember that amazing Mavs game, which based on the few posts on this forum as I recall, was not watched by most of the anti-Isiah folk, where late in the game he came up the baseline and aggressively made a nasty dunk attempt on either Dampier or Diop, and was fouled. That was a sick move that cannot be made by someone who can't jump. Some of the comments about Collins, Marbury and Curry really make me wonder what some people are seeing on the floor. I'm not saying they are perfect or don't have flaws, but the selective observation or downright misrepresentation or oversimplified presentation of their games (i.e. Curry can't rebound, Marbury can't figure out how to not dominate and now can't go the basket, Collins can't jump or score) are so contrary to visual evidence that it's hard to take those posters who repeat these things seriously as anywhere near attempting to be objective.

I will say the Knicks are flawed, and those players are not great and perfect, but they don't suck, and are actually valuable and worth something to this team. It's so sad that so many of us are so jaded by the losing over the past 5-6 seasons that we can only see the negatives anymore. Here's another example of what I am talking about and why as a Yankee fan I hate a lot of the seeming overreaction to everything which turns into b.s. sports talk claims and rhetoric. After the first loss to the Mets in their series some fan was interviewed on NY1 and went onto say that he'd rather have David Wright (after his good game) than A-Rod, saying that he was better than him! HA! The grass is always greener for us jaded, spoiled NY fans who act like we deserve to win since we're New York and the "only thing that matters if if you win a championship!!!" (which is what I saw John Sterling say on YES reminiscing about the 1998 Yankee team). No wonder many Yankee fans are having a cardiac arrest over this season, and many of us Knick fans can only see the negatives anymore. I'm not saying Isiah has done a perfect job, or that I would have rather seen other things happen, but I think a little self-reflection as fans would help, as to where we come from, and whether it is really an example of objectivity or the complete opposite.

PressIke - I don't think the Anthony Johnson comparison is an insult to Collins. Johnson has always been a fine back-up point.