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5/27/2007  5:42 PM
Being reported by Ric Bucher ESPN News...... You think we have a shot at him.....
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5/27/2007  6:40 PM
Posted by AI:

Being reported by Ric Bucher ESPN News...... You think we have a shot at him.....

Well kobe was mega pissed that he wasn't allowed to play at msg last year cuz of that elbow he threw. I think kobe would love to be a knick.

As far as the lakers, will they hold a grudge and not respect a kobes trade request? Will they trade him to who they felt like or would they just say **** you and make him stay?

I wouldn't mind kobe on the knicks but I also wouldn't mind him passing a little more than he does. He is like a wickedly souped up Crawford.
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5/27/2007  7:08 PM
hahaha. he wants them to go from where they are now to a Finals team in 1 season of trades, with barely any assets and no cap room? the likelyhood of Jerry West at age 68 accepting the stress that comes with trying to turn their mess completely around is kind of small...
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5/27/2007  7:31 PM
I wish, even though I have some problems with Kobe's game. In the East he would certainly have a much better shot at making the Finals, although his teams have not done much since Shaq left...this is probably not going to go anywhere anyway but if you are Isiah you have to see if the Lakers would bite...
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5/27/2007  7:35 PM
yea. always got to try. i don't think he actually gets traded though, for a number of reasons, then again I said that about iverson.
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5/27/2007  7:49 PM
He's the most selfish P.O.S. In Sports History. He deserves nothing more than to rot in mediocrity. I want nothing to do with him.

Enyspree I totally disagree with you about his desire to play here. While I believe NY is an attractive place his suspension ire had more to do with him not being able to show himself off in the Garden. It was all about him and his ego nothing more. Besides if he were to come here NY would be a playoff team(6-8seed) but still mediocre due to assets given up to obtain him. But honestly NY doesn't have Phil Jackson type players to give up. To play the triangle offense/Tex&Phil's system you have to have a high IQ, top notch passing, precision movement, great shooting, excellent defense, a Top notch Guard, Center, or Forward, we have none of those things to offer.

LOL @ Kobe and thank you for proving me right when I blasted you 3mos ago.

I remember when he signed his new deal with the Lakers, he was asked why it took him so long and how did he come to the conclusion to remain a Laker and I quote him......."It just felt right, I started my career here and want to end it here. I'm A Laker 4 Life".

Now "Damn we suck, get me some help, not now, but right now or Trade me".

Kobe=Counterfiet

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 7:06 PM]
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5/27/2007  8:46 PM
sign me up. Kobe would make the knicks matter again, pair him with steph, eddy, balkman, would be nice. say what you want about kobe, he is a mega talent, and a winner..... killer instincts on the court, a competitor and a dynamic scorer...

please, bring his arse to ny IF YOU CAN!!!!
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5/27/2007  9:43 PM
I don't hate Kobe the way some do, but I must say, he is naive for thinking things would be otherwise in LA. He had the option to play with Brand, or with Amare and Marion, but somehow he thought that hanging with Smush and co. would yield better results? Not too swift.
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5/27/2007  10:05 PM
What kind of package do you think LA would demand? You can pretty much be sure than Lee, Balkman, pick 23 would be required. Do they take Eddy? Do we have a package that would be enough?
I don't see LA accepting anything we throw their way, nor do I want to make that trade. Keep Kobe in Colorado...I mean, LA.
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5/27/2007  10:07 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Kobe the way some do, but I must say, he is naive for thinking things would be otherwise in LA. He had the option to play with Brand, or with Amare and Marion, but somehow he thought that hanging with Smush and co. would yield better results? Not too swift.

He had the option to continue to play with Shaq for the rest of his career. All he had to do was tell Buss look We've been fighting for yrs yet we've been contenders, keep Shaq here and he and I like grown men will bury the hatchet. In the meantime tell Mitch to tweak the roster a little but nope this is what happen that contract yr and afterwards


kome/shaq rift

kome has shoulder surgery without informing team officials

kome rape charge

kome throws shaq under the bus to the cops

kome stops shootin gin sac

kome ****s on HOF'ers

kome refuses to stop shooting in nba finals

kome has rift with karl malone

kome opts out of his deal

phil says he cant coach kobe anymore

rudy t quits midseason as coach *(more of Rudy's doing but things weren't going well)

kome throws television at lamar

chucky atkins says kobe is the "real gm of the team"

Lakers become lottery team

kome refuses to shoot in game 7 against suns

kome says "he will roll with it" when told about return of phil

kome goes for scoring titles

kome get's bounced out of the first round 2 yrs in a row

kome demands jerry west comes back or would like to be traded








Now Marbury has done a lot of similar things and we all know how cancerous he's been in his career. Terrible leader that's trying to weasel and bail his way out of responsibility. But it's ok because Kome is so gifted and talented? Sorry I will never be a fan that compromises integrity. If you're a Cancer you're a Cancer.





[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:16 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/27/2007  10:23 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Kobe the way some do, but I must say, he is naive for thinking things would be otherwise in LA. He had the option to play with Brand, or with Amare and Marion, but somehow he thought that hanging with Smush and co. would yield better results? Not too swift.

He had the option to continue to play with Shaq for the rest of his career. All he had to do was tell Buss look We've been fighting for yrs yet we've been contenders, keep Shaq here and he and I like grown men will bury the hatchet. In the meantime tell Mitch to tweak the roster a little but nope this is what happen that contract yr and afterwards


kome/shaq rift

kome has shoulder surgery without informing team officials

kome rape charge

kome throws shaq under the bus to the cops

kome stops shootin gin sac

kome ****s on HOF'ers

kome refuses to stop shooting in nba finals

kome has rift with karl malone

kome opts out of his deal

phil says he cant coach kobe anymore

rudy t quits midseason as coach *(more of Rudy's doing but things weren't going well)

kome throws television at lamar

chucky atkins says kobe is the "real gm of the team"

Lakers become lottery team

kome refuses to shoot in game 7 against suns

kome says "he will roll with it" when told about return of phil

kome goes for scoring titles

kome get's bounced out of the first round 2 yrs in a row

kome demands jerry west comes back or would like to be traded








Now Marbury has done a lot of similar things and we all know how cancerous he's been in his career. Terrible leader that's trying to weasel and bail his way out of responsibility. But it's ok because Kome is so gifted and talented? Sorry I will never be a fan that compromises integrity. If you're a Cancer you're a Cancer.





[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:16 PM]


True, I'm not aware of every instance you raise, all I will say is many of them would carry more weight with me if they had had occurred while on a strong team (like shooting too much or too little). Most cancers don't facilitate winning 3 championships and then perennially carrying what otherwise would be a sure bottom scraping team to the playoffs.

It's fine with me that most people hate Kobe, but he's not a guy I'd characterize as a loser. You're welcome to though.


[Edited by - blueseats on 05-27-2007 10:27 PM]
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5/27/2007  10:34 PM
lol.

he's not getting traded.

no way.
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5/27/2007  10:35 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Kobe the way some do, but I must say, he is naive for thinking things would be otherwise in LA. He had the option to play with Brand, or with Amare and Marion, but somehow he thought that hanging with Smush and co. would yield better results? Not too swift.

He had the option to continue to play with Shaq for the rest of his career. All he had to do was tell Buss look We've been fighting for yrs yet we've been contenders, keep Shaq here and he and I like grown men will bury the hatchet. In the meantime tell Mitch to tweak the roster a little but nope this is what happen that contract yr and afterwards


kome/shaq rift

kome has shoulder surgery without informing team officials

kome rape charge

kome throws shaq under the bus to the cops

kome stops shootin gin sac

kome ****s on HOF'ers

kome refuses to stop shooting in nba finals

kome has rift with karl malone

kome opts out of his deal

phil says he cant coach kobe anymore

rudy t quits midseason as coach *(more of Rudy's doing but things weren't going well)

kome throws television at lamar

chucky atkins says kobe is the "real gm of the team"

Lakers become lottery team

kome refuses to shoot in game 7 against suns

kome says "he will roll with it" when told about return of phil

kome goes for scoring titles

kome get's bounced out of the first round 2 yrs in a row

kome demands jerry west comes back or would like to be traded








Now Marbury has done a lot of similar things and we all know how cancerous he's been in his career. Terrible leader that's trying to weasel and bail his way out of responsibility. But it's ok because Kome is so gifted and talented? Sorry I will never be a fan that compromises integrity. If you're a Cancer you're a Cancer.





[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:16 PM]


True, I'm not aware of every instance you raise, all I will say is many of them would carry more weight with me if they had had occurred while on a strong team (like shooting too much or too little). Most cancers don't facilitate winning 3 championships and then carrying what otherwise would be a sure lottery team to the playoffs.

It's fine with me that most people hate Kobe, but he's not a guy I'd characterize as a loser. You can though.


I'm not calling him a loser I'm calling him out for the Fraud and Cancer that he is. The incident when he decided not to shoot, he went a whole half with none or just 1 shot attempt against the Kings. It was with the 2003-2004 team, Payton and Malone were on it. After that game one of his teammates(unidentified) commented that he "should not be forgiven" for doing that. Kome then following those comments gave a profanity laced tirade at his teammates during practice demanding to know who said those things. No teammate admitted but most Laker Fans say it was Fisher. He then shot too much during the Lakers last Finals appearance, with the HOF'ers, and while Shaq was totally dominating Detroit's front court. He gets no sympathy for now not knowing how much to shoot or when he should pass because he is responible for the current lottery roster that surrounds him. As you pointed out he could have left and played on a more well balanced team with the Clippers or Suns. He wanted his own team, it turns out he's a terrible leader and a great second banana. And if we're going to play the apology game with Kome then we need to be fair and do it with Marbury and every other talented player that's played on mediocre to bad teams.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:45 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/27/2007  10:38 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

lol.

he's not getting traded.

no way.


Yeah highly unlikely but it's interesting to note that when Shaq saw the writing on the wall and didn't appear to receive an extension realizing it was soon to be Kobe's team, he tried to save face and demanded a trade. Buss obliged. We'll see what he does with Kobe.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Kobe the way some do, but I must say, he is naive for thinking things would be otherwise in LA. He had the option to play with Brand, or with Amare and Marion, but somehow he thought that hanging with Smush and co. would yield better results? Not too swift.

He had the option to continue to play with Shaq for the rest of his career. All he had to do was tell Buss look We've been fighting for yrs yet we've been contenders, keep Shaq here and he and I like grown men will bury the hatchet. In the meantime tell Mitch to tweak the roster a little but nope this is what happen that contract yr and afterwards


kome/shaq rift

kome has shoulder surgery without informing team officials

kome rape charge

kome throws shaq under the bus to the cops

kome stops shootin gin sac

kome ****s on HOF'ers

kome refuses to stop shooting in nba finals

kome has rift with karl malone

kome opts out of his deal

phil says he cant coach kobe anymore

rudy t quits midseason as coach *(more of Rudy's doing but things weren't going well)

kome throws television at lamar

chucky atkins says kobe is the "real gm of the team"

Lakers become lottery team

kome refuses to shoot in game 7 against suns

kome says "he will roll with it" when told about return of phil

kome goes for scoring titles

kome get's bounced out of the first round 2 yrs in a row

kome demands jerry west comes back or would like to be traded








Now Marbury has done a lot of similar things and we all know how cancerous he's been in his career. Terrible leader that's trying to weasel and bail his way out of responsibility. But it's ok because Kome is so gifted and talented? Sorry I will never be a fan that compromises integrity. If you're a Cancer you're a Cancer.





[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:16 PM]


True, I'm not aware of every instance you raise, all I will say is many of them would carry more weight with me if they had had occurred while on a strong team (like shooting too much or too little). Most cancers don't facilitate winning 3 championships and then perennially carrying what otherwise would be a sure bottom scraping team to the playoffs.

It's fine with me that most people hate Kobe, but he's not a guy I'd characterize as a loser. You're welcome to though.


[Edited by - blueseats on 05-27-2007 10:27 PM]


excellent post blue, and I dont think kobe is the cancer some try to portray him to be.
3 rings, 81 points, killer mentality, lust for winning, dedicated to his craft. I hardly call that a problem child...
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5/27/2007  11:45 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I'm not calling him a loser I'm calling him out for the Fraud and Cancer that he is. The incident when he decided not to shoot, he went a whole half with none or just 1 shot attempt against the Kings. It was with the 2003-2004 team, Payton and Malone were on it. After that game one of his teammates(unidentified) commented that he "should not be forgiven" for doing that. Kome then following those comments gave a profanity laced tirade at his teammates during practice demanding to know who said those things. No teammate admitted but most Laker Fans say it was Fisher. He then shot too much during the Lakers last Finals appearance, with the HOF'ers, and while Shaq was totally dominating Detroit's front court. He gets no sympathy for now not knowing how much to shoot or when he should pass because he is responible for the current lottery roster that surrounds him. As you pointed out he could have left and played on a more well balanced team with the Clippers or Suns. He wanted his own team, it turns out he's a terrible leader and a great second banana. And if we're going to play the apology game with Kome then we need to be fair and do it with Marbury and every other talented player that's played on mediocre to bad teams.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:45 PM]


You had a better post before you edited the end. Kobe doesn't need me as an apologist, he's got 3 rings and he's been carrying a lousy team to the playoffs since Shaq left. That's pure fact and it's not something that can be said of Marbury and those caliber players. I obviously have no mercy for Kobe choosing the Lakers over other teams and expecting instant success, that's foolish of him.

But you seem to be doing the apologist routine for Shaq. He's the one who bailed on a successful Orlando team, he had issues with many before Kobe (Penny, Jones, Van Exel), he set the Lakers on a course for disfunction by declaring them his team and then showing up out of condition, giving himself foot problems, and leaving Kobe to carry them for large stretches. Since it was Shaq's team you'd think he'd do everything to make peace with Kobe to keep a winning formula intact, but instead he chose to "save face" by demanding an exorbitant early extension to let everyone know his own ego came first.

I don't see either of these guys as good leaders, they probably couldn't get along because they were too similar.
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5/27/2007  11:59 PM
people say that Chicago is a match, but they would really have to give them Big Ben in order to make the salaries match... which can't be attractive for LA.

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Posted by JohnWallace44:

people say that Chicago is a match, but they would really have to give them Big Ben in order to make the salaries match... which can't be attractive for LA.

Kobe in the east means guarantee playoff berth (hell if he can pull that sorry Laker team in the playoffs in the west, why not). I see the Nets as team. Sign and trade VC and the Nets 2007, 2009 and Marcus Williams for Bryant. To finally correct the mistake made 11 years ago by Cal.
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5/28/2007  1:08 AM
if we can get kobe without trading Lee then do it.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I'm not calling him a loser I'm calling him out for the Fraud and Cancer that he is. The incident when he decided not to shoot, he went a whole half with none or just 1 shot attempt against the Kings. It was with the 2003-2004 team, Payton and Malone were on it. After that game one of his teammates(unidentified) commented that he "should not be forgiven" for doing that. Kome then following those comments gave a profanity laced tirade at his teammates during practice demanding to know who said those things. No teammate admitted but most Laker Fans say it was Fisher. He then shot too much during the Lakers last Finals appearance, with the HOF'ers, and while Shaq was totally dominating Detroit's front court. He gets no sympathy for now not knowing how much to shoot or when he should pass because he is responible for the current lottery roster that surrounds him. As you pointed out he could have left and played on a more well balanced team with the Clippers or Suns. He wanted his own team, it turns out he's a terrible leader and a great second banana. And if we're going to play the apology game with Kome then we need to be fair and do it with Marbury and every other talented player that's played on mediocre to bad teams.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:45 PM]


You had a better post before you edited the end. Kobe doesn't need me as an apologist, he's got 3 rings and he's been carrying a lousy team to the playoffs since Shaq left. That's pure fact and it's not something that can be said of Marbury and those caliber players. I obviously have no mercy for Kobe choosing the Lakers over other teams and expecting instant success, that's foolish of him.

But you seem to be doing the apologist routine for Shaq. He's the one who bailed on a successful Orlando team, he had issues with many before Kobe (Penny, Jones, Van Exel), he set the Lakers on a course for disfunction by declaring them his team and then showing up out of condition, giving himself foot problems, and leaving Kobe to carry them for large stretches. Since it was Shaq's team you'd think he'd do everything to make peace with Kobe to keep a winning formula intact, but instead he chose to "save face" by demanding an exorbitant early extension to let everyone know his own ego came first.

I don't see either of these guys as good leaders, they probably couldn't get along because they were too similar.



Blue stop turning every Kome debate into Kome vs Shaq. You know good and well what the issue is. How can a player who had more of an advantage winning with 2003-2004 roster weasel his way into having that roster depleted so he can have his own team and then when it doesn't work point fingers? Is Kome different than any other spoiled egomaniac jock? People want to talk about how bad his roster is blah blah, well every lone star team usually isn't that good. He needs to accept a good portion of the blame as to why they aren't contenders. Is Kome the best basketball player on the planet Yep! Is he a lousy leader, horrible teammate, and motivator Yep! If Phil is the greatest coach of our generation and he states Kome is a very uncoachable player in a team structure, what has proven to be the result?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2007 12:31 AM]
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