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5/23/2007  11:27 AM
West Unhappy With Lottery System
23rd May, 2007 - 7:25 am
Phil Jasner of the Philadelphia Daily News -

Outgoing Memphis Grizzlies president of basketball operations Jerry West is another executive who does not like the NBA's Draft Lottery.

Tuesday night, his Memphis Grizzlies had the best chance at landing the #1 pick with the league's worst record of 22-60.

Unfortunately for the Grizzlies, they dropped the maximum three spots and will now selected 4th overall in the June 28 Draft.

"I don't like the draft lottery, never liked it," he said. "It's not sour grapes. I just think it's a terrible system and it needs to be addressed. Every other league in the other professional [sports], they all draft according to how they finish in the season."

"And we didn't come here expecting to get the No. 1 or No. 2 [pick], because it doesn't happen very often," West said. "The two worst teams this year get No. 4 and No. 5 in the draft, and [it's] arguably hard to say [which players are] going to be there that will help the team as much as the first two guys."
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5/23/2007  11:33 AM
I agree, this conyinuing strength of the Western Confrence is getting outrageous.

My conspiracy theory is looks like the league sent Boston and Memphis a message for tanking games.

[Edited by - playa2 on 23-05-2007 11:37]
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5/23/2007  11:45 AM
why is the nba the only league to decide it's draft by a lottery system?

why is the fear of tanking not as big an issue in football, hockey, and baseball?

it's a bad system.
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5/23/2007  11:46 AM
It's comical that some Boston fans are already thinking about tanking again(Thinking of getting Mayo) when this system is supposedly designed to stop tanking.


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5/23/2007  11:50 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's comical that some Boston fans are already thinking about tanking again(Thinking of getting Mayo) when this system is supposedly designed to stop tanking.


David Stern WCE=WORST COMMISH EVER

how would NOT having a lottery system discourage teams from tanking?
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5/23/2007  11:50 AM
In the NBA, a star player makes a HUGE difference. Not as much of a difference in other sports.
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5/23/2007  12:01 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's comical that some Boston fans are already thinking about tanking again(Thinking of getting Mayo) when this system is supposedly designed to stop tanking.


David Stern WCE=WORST COMMISH EVER

how would NOT having a lottery system discourage teams from tanking?


Why aren't the other leagues concerned about this? Is it because the way the league is ran and game is played that 1 player has the chance to run the table? This is the only league that will change rules to cater to a certain player(s) or apply certain standards to certain players. If there must be a system then how come the system isn't more refined to encourage teams to not be in the lottery? I mean now we're televising draft parties nationwide and watching fans along with their franchises get OWNED!



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-23-2007 11:28 AM]
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5/23/2007  12:07 PM
Didn't the lottery get instituted this way b/c of the Spurs basically cheating to get Tim Duncan?
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5/23/2007  12:12 PM
I think the system is better the way it is. Not because you are the worst in the league directly means you will get the best. In European leagues there is not even a draft. In Europe if your team is the worst, next year you wont even play with the top teams as a "punishment". I prefer the USA system trying to make the league more competitive with the draft, but if the top 10 picks were just given by the league standings a lot of NBA games would be total crap.
And by the way, he same happened to Portland last year and they did not start this BS about the system.
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Posted by djsunyc:

why is the nba the only league to decide it's draft by a lottery system?

why is the fear of tanking not as big an issue in football, hockey, and baseball?

it's a bad system.


I will say this, the lottery system is the best thing stern and the NBA did. In football, having the #1 pick is not as big as having multiple picks, you need more quality players to fill so many positions. The NFL draft is always deep, and a lot of the NFL's best players in history were not top picks. Brady, Farve, Elway, Marino, Rice, were not top pick and some not even first day selections(Brady)

In basketball, it is generally the rule that the lottery players are the best picks and then there is a huge fall off. So in basketball teams will shamelessly tank in order to get a pick, they won't play out the season, they will sit their best players, to me it lacks integrity. I like the system, anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, weither it be in basketball or in real life, in order to better their position is a loser. Portland deserves it, they got their act together, made good picks, move out the losers(telfair, and soon to be miles) and started bringing in good guys. Roy and Aldridge.. the celtics and grizzlies got what they deserved...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/23/2007  12:15 PM
Apparently the lottery percentages still cater to tanking. Obviously, doing it purely by record is also going to lead to large amounts of tanking. So, the only solution is to make the lottery random; even regardless of whether you're 1st, or 14th. That's how it originally was. Therefore, there's no benefit to being the worst in the league; teams try harder. The only issue then is fringe teams might intentionally lose during the last week of the season in order to have a lottery pick. However, it's a lot better than what we have now.
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5/23/2007  12:16 PM
Posted by K22:

Didn't the lottery get instituted this way b/c of the Spurs basically cheating to get Tim Duncan?

The lottery was instituted long before Duncan.
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I agree with those that say we need a lottery. It is a simply fact that NBA teams will tank. In football, one player, other than a quarterback, usually does not have a huge impact on a team, so there is less incentive to tank. In the NBA, teams will tank without a lotto system. In fact, teams still tank with the lotto system. I am not sure that I want a equal chance system where everyone in the lottery has an equal chance at #1. I like the current weighted system. Naybe the current system can be tweaked, but the NBA needs some type of lottery.
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5/23/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is the nba the only league to decide it's draft by a lottery system?

why is the fear of tanking not as big an issue in football, hockey, and baseball?

it's a bad system.


I will say this, the lottery system is the best thing stern and the NBA did. In football, having the #1 pick is not as big as having multiple picks, you need more quality players to fill so many positions. The NFL draft is always deep, and a lot of the NFL's best players in history were not top picks. Brady, Farve, Elway, Marino, Rice, were not top pick and some not even first day selections(Brady)

In basketball, it is generally the rule that the lottery players are the best picks and then there is a huge fall off. So in basketball teams will shamelessly tank in order to get a pick, they won't play out the season, they will sit their best players, to me it lacks integrity. I like the system, anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, weither it be in basketball or in real life, in order to better their position is a loser. Portland deserves it, they got their act together, made good picks, move out the losers(telfair, and soon to be miles) and started bringing in good guys. Roy and Aldridge.. the celtics and grizzlies got what they deserved...

simple rule - teams can not have back to back top 3 picks.

so if they get the #1 pick this season, the HIGHEST they can pick the following season will be (pick an arbitrary draft slot).
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is the nba the only league to decide it's draft by a lottery system?

why is the fear of tanking not as big an issue in football, hockey, and baseball?

it's a bad system.


I will say this, the lottery system is the best thing stern and the NBA did. In football, having the #1 pick is not as big as having multiple picks, you need more quality players to fill so many positions. The NFL draft is always deep, and a lot of the NFL's best players in history were not top picks. Brady, Farve, Elway, Marino, Rice, were not top pick and some not even first day selections(Brady)

In basketball, it is generally the rule that the lottery players are the best picks and then there is a huge fall off. So in basketball teams will shamelessly tank in order to get a pick, they won't play out the season, they will sit their best players, to me it lacks integrity. I like the system, anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, weither it be in basketball or in real life, in order to better their position is a loser. Portland deserves it, they got their act together, made good picks, move out the losers(telfair, and soon to be miles) and started bringing in good guys. Roy and Aldridge.. the celtics and grizzlies got what they deserved...

not for nothing but when robinson got hurt - the spurs TANKED. he was able to play the final 2 months of the season but the spurs kept him shelved. they didn't get what they deserved.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's comical that some Boston fans are already thinking about tanking again(Thinking of getting Mayo) when this system is supposedly designed to stop tanking.


David Stern WCE=WORST COMMISH EVER

how would NOT having a lottery system discourage teams from tanking?


Why aren't the other leagues concerned about this? Is it because the way the league is ran and game is played that 1 player has the chance to run the table? This is the only league that will change rules to cater to a certain player(s) or apply certain standards to certain players. If there must be a system then how come the system isn't more refined to encourage teams to not be in the lottery. I mean now we're televising draft parties nationwide and watching fans along with their franchises get OWNED!

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-23-2007 11:01 AM]

Now true I will agree with you on this. Stern creates situations that often requires him to make other stupid rules to offset his previous blunders.

Like creating a league in which 1 player on one team, makes such a difference that teams now will tank to get that so called next star player. Instead of promoting teams, he promoted individuals, and this is what you get...

In the NFL and even baseball one player usually does not swing the balance that much and this is why you see NFL teams trading the #1 overall pick, it is not uncommon.

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Posted by djsunyc:

why is the nba the only league to decide it's draft by a lottery system?

why is the fear of tanking not as big an issue in football, hockey, and baseball?

it's a bad system.


I will say this, the lottery system is the best thing stern and the NBA did. In football, having the #1 pick is not as big as having multiple picks, you need more quality players to fill so many positions. The NFL draft is always deep, and a lot of the NFL's best players in history were not top picks. Brady, Farve, Elway, Marino, Rice, were not top pick and some not even first day selections(Brady)

In basketball, it is generally the rule that the lottery players are the best picks and then there is a huge fall off. So in basketball teams will shamelessly tank in order to get a pick, they won't play out the season, they will sit their best players, to me it lacks integrity. I like the system, anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, weither it be in basketball or in real life, in order to better their position is a loser. Portland deserves it, they got their act together, made good picks, move out the losers(telfair, and soon to be miles) and started bringing in good guys. Roy and Aldridge.. the celtics and grizzlies got what they deserved...

simple rule - teams can not have back to back top 3 picks.

so if they get the #1 pick this season, the HIGHEST they can pick the following season will be (pick an arbitrary draft slot).


yea, but does that really matter when that one year, lebron is comming out, and the next year, Kwame brown is the top pick? who would care at that point. I think the system is fine, considering the way the league is set up now... It didn't have to be this way tho..
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is the nba the only league to decide it's draft by a lottery system?

why is the fear of tanking not as big an issue in football, hockey, and baseball?

it's a bad system.


I will say this, the lottery system is the best thing stern and the NBA did. In football, having the #1 pick is not as big as having multiple picks, you need more quality players to fill so many positions. The NFL draft is always deep, and a lot of the NFL's best players in history were not top picks. Brady, Farve, Elway, Marino, Rice, were not top pick and some not even first day selections(Brady)

In basketball, it is generally the rule that the lottery players are the best picks and then there is a huge fall off. So in basketball teams will shamelessly tank in order to get a pick, they won't play out the season, they will sit their best players, to me it lacks integrity. I like the system, anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, weither it be in basketball or in real life, in order to better their position is a loser. Portland deserves it, they got their act together, made good picks, move out the losers(telfair, and soon to be miles) and started bringing in good guys. Roy and Aldridge.. the celtics and grizzlies got what they deserved...

simple rule - teams can not have back to back top 3 picks.

so if they get the #1 pick this season, the HIGHEST they can pick the following season will be (pick an arbitrary draft slot).


yea, but does that really matter when that one year, lebron is comming out, and the next year, Kwame brown is the top pick? who would care at that point. I think the system is fine, considering the way the league is set up now... It didn't have to be this way tho..

if a guy like west is calling attention to it...then it's not fine.
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5/23/2007  12:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is the nba the only league to decide it's draft by a lottery system?

why is the fear of tanking not as big an issue in football, hockey, and baseball?

it's a bad system.


I will say this, the lottery system is the best thing stern and the NBA did. In football, having the #1 pick is not as big as having multiple picks, you need more quality players to fill so many positions. The NFL draft is always deep, and a lot of the NFL's best players in history were not top picks. Brady, Farve, Elway, Marino, Rice, were not top pick and some not even first day selections(Brady)

In basketball, it is generally the rule that the lottery players are the best picks and then there is a huge fall off. So in basketball teams will shamelessly tank in order to get a pick, they won't play out the season, they will sit their best players, to me it lacks integrity. I like the system, anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, weither it be in basketball or in real life, in order to better their position is a loser. Portland deserves it, they got their act together, made good picks, move out the losers(telfair, and soon to be miles) and started bringing in good guys. Roy and Aldridge.. the celtics and grizzlies got what they deserved...

not for nothing but when robinson got hurt - the spurs TANKED. he was able to play the final 2 months of the season but the spurs kept him shelved. they didn't get what they deserved.

they got lucky, it happens, but boston has had a history of being horrible in the draft of late. They draft Joe Johnson and trade him, they draft kedrick brown in a draft of good players and he was a dud, they traded the 7th pick in the lottery for Sebastian telfair!! the draft billups and trade him, the celts got what they deserved, and the grizzlies were just unlucky. It happens, but they will have a healthy pau this year, and if the softy is worth a damn and can stay healthy, they will be good this year... again...
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is the nba the only league to decide it's draft by a lottery system?

why is the fear of tanking not as big an issue in football, hockey, and baseball?

it's a bad system.


I will say this, the lottery system is the best thing stern and the NBA did. In football, having the #1 pick is not as big as having multiple picks, you need more quality players to fill so many positions. The NFL draft is always deep, and a lot of the NFL's best players in history were not top picks. Brady, Farve, Elway, Marino, Rice, were not top pick and some not even first day selections(Brady)

In basketball, it is generally the rule that the lottery players are the best picks and then there is a huge fall off. So in basketball teams will shamelessly tank in order to get a pick, they won't play out the season, they will sit their best players, to me it lacks integrity. I like the system, anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, weither it be in basketball or in real life, in order to better their position is a loser. Portland deserves it, they got their act together, made good picks, move out the losers(telfair, and soon to be miles) and started bringing in good guys. Roy and Aldridge.. the celtics and grizzlies got what they deserved...

simple rule - teams can not have back to back top 3 picks.

so if they get the #1 pick this season, the HIGHEST they can pick the following season will be (pick an arbitrary draft slot).


yea, but does that really matter when that one year, lebron is comming out, and the next year, Kwame brown is the top pick? who would care at that point. I think the system is fine, considering the way the league is set up now... It didn't have to be this way tho..

if a guy like west is calling attention to it...then it's not fine.


west is one voice, unless he is the voice of every NBA GM.. right now I am sure the suits in portland are like "whatever" LOL..
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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