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5/16/2007  9:53 AM
Positive

Is Big
Can Score Around The Basket Very Well
Demands Double Team
Athletic for his size
draws fouls

Negative

Turnover Prone
Not a good rebounder
Not a good shot blocker
Not a good post defender
Terrble help defender
not a good passer
lacks consistant desire
poor outside shooter
poor free throw shooter
poor conditioning/stamina
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5/16/2007  9:54 AM
now these are very fair comparisons... Looking at these i ask my self - is this someone i even want on my team at all? Much less someone who i want to build franchise around
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5/16/2007  9:58 AM
alot is made of what eddy doesn't do...and it's all valid. he's been labelled the franchise. he talks like he's the franchise. and we acquired him in a franchise type of deal.

ultimately, those are just opinions of a fanbase.

it all comes down to whether or not isiah knows how to utilize eddy in the right way to help the team win as many games as possible and that doesn't necessarily mean give it to him every time down the court or have him play 35 mins a night.
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5/16/2007  10:00 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

alot is made of what eddy doesn't do...and it's all valid. he's been labelled the franchise. he talks like he's the franchise. and we acquired him in a franchise type of deal.

ultimately, those are just opinions of a fanbase.

it all comes down to whether or not isiah knows how to utilize eddy in the right way to help the team win as many games as possible and that doesn't necessarily mean give it to him every time down the court or have him play 35 mins a night.

this is key.

I think this past year Zeke HAD to play him a lot to justify the trade and his moves. I hope this coming year is different and we see Eddy show us something on both sides of the court.
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5/16/2007  10:05 AM
dj I mentioned a couple weeks ago EY really shouldn't play more than 30min/gm. I don't mind the offense being run through him but as you said not 95% of the time while he's on the court. He also shouldn't get touches unless he's showing the same intensity on the other end of the court. I wish we would just trade him and get components to become more of an up tempo team
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5/16/2007  10:52 AM
Right now Eddy is being force-fed. He has to learn, or else the Franchise has no future.
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5/16/2007  11:22 AM
why even bother with such a thread? especially around these parts...
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5/16/2007  2:37 PM
Stop dreaming.
Eddy will not change. He is around long enough and he can do as much
He can be used better with recognition that he is a role player.
Of course this cannot happened in NY and with IT as a GM/coach

Bad for Eddy that he getting misleaded on what he is and he will recognize this sooner or later.
But hey - he is getting loads of money and is in the center of NY bbal life.
Be cool Eddy...
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5/16/2007  4:17 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Stop dreaming.
Eddy will not change. He is around long enough and he can do as much
He can be used better with recognition that he is a role player.
Of course this cannot happened in NY and with IT as a GM/coach

Bad for Eddy that he getting misleaded on what he is and he will recognize this sooner or later.
But hey - he is getting loads of money and is in the center of NY bbal life.
Be cool Eddy...

So let me ask you, are you saying that Curry CAN'T improve enough in the other areas of the game to help make this a winning team? From what i've seen and read, no one feels that he lacks the ability. It's all a matter of his desire to do everything he needs to do and having the mental focus to do those things all the time. The guy has games when he does the very things we want from him and scoring. His problem is that he needs to do that more often.

If he couldn't jump and wasn't agile and quick for his size. If he never had any games with strong rebounding, then I could see taking such an attitude. Is there a chance that he never gets better, of course. However he DOES have the talent to do the things we need. It's mainly up to him and how bad he wants to be the All Star he thinks he can be. I'm not prepared to just write off a 24 year old guy. Guys like Billups who never really got it together until late in their career are an example of the kind of chance Curry still has to improve. Mikki Moore is another guy that kept working and now is a much better player. IT DOES HAPPEN.
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5/16/2007  4:21 PM
I hate Curry's weaknesses as much as the next guy, but I think we should at least see what happens this summer and next year.

Nobody (minus IT) expected him to do what he did this year. Maybe he can take another giant step forward.
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5/16/2007  4:23 PM
^^^ the mikki moore approach was "work on this stuff or you'll be playing minor leagues the rest of your life," not "you're an all-star whatever the rest of the league thinks"
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Posted by mythfaze:

I hate Curry's weaknesses as much as the next guy, but I think we should at least see what happens this summer and next year.

Nobody (minus IT) expected him to do what he did this year. Maybe he can take another giant step forward.

That's what I think too. You don't have to like what he is now, but don't make the mistake of thinking that it's all over for him. Not when we can see that he can make improvements. If he now focuses on the other areas of the game perhaps he'll have a similar improvement next year.

I'd have him watching tapes of Shaq and Duncan, breaking down their passing. Have him work on his rebounding and watching the ball and his man, so that he can see penetrators earlier and get in position. The guys probably doesn't really think properly in those areas of the game. He has to drill on making sharp passes to the perimeter and to cutters. Just like shooting drills, it's the only way to develop those skills.
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5/16/2007  4:31 PM
how can lack of outside shot be a negative for curry? if anything it should be a plus... I mean it is like listing a lack of post game, a negative for steve nash.. come on!
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Posted by tkf:

how can lack of outside shot be a negative for curry? if anything it should be a plus... I mean it is like listing a lack of post game, a negative for steve nash.. come on!

First of all, Curry is the best three point shooter on the team. I would've listed that as his positive.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by tkf:

how can lack of outside shot be a negative for curry? if anything it should be a plus... I mean it is like listing a lack of post game, a negative for steve nash.. come on!

First of all, Curry is the best three point shooter on the team. I would've listed that as his positive.

yea, he has yet to miss one I think..
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by mythfaze:

I hate Curry's weaknesses as much as the next guy, but I think we should at least see what happens this summer and next year.

Nobody (minus IT) expected him to do what he did this year. Maybe he can take another giant step forward.

That's what I think too. You don't have to like what he is now, but don't make the mistake of thinking that it's all over for him. Not when we can see that he can make improvements. If he now focuses on the other areas of the game perhaps he'll have a similar improvement next year.

I'd have him watching tapes of Shaq and Duncan, breaking down their passing. Have him work on his rebounding and watching the ball and his man, so that he can see penetrators earlier and get in position. The guys probably doesn't really think properly in those areas of the game. He has to drill on making sharp passes to the perimeter and to cutters. Just like shooting drills, it's the only way to develop those skills.


So you are saying Eddy was not doing any of this for 7 years and now he will and will became as Duncan and Shaq? Come on man...
I mean there are always a hope for miracles. NJ Lottary!!! You never know!!!
But you cannot rely on miracles in busines - 9999 times of 10000 you will lose you money
I will not put my expectations on line based on miracles. Too much of a dissapointment.
As for now Eddy is one-dimentional role player, highly overpayed, has no trade value and high health risk.
And he will need to show me a lot to change my mind on that.














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Posted by arkrud:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by mythfaze:

I hate Curry's weaknesses as much as the next guy, but I think we should at least see what happens this summer and next year.

Nobody (minus IT) expected him to do what he did this year. Maybe he can take another giant step forward.

That's what I think too. You don't have to like what he is now, but don't make the mistake of thinking that it's all over for him. Not when we can see that he can make improvements. If he now focuses on the other areas of the game perhaps he'll have a similar improvement next year.

I'd have him watching tapes of Shaq and Duncan, breaking down their passing. Have him work on his rebounding and watching the ball and his man, so that he can see penetrators earlier and get in position. The guys probably doesn't really think properly in those areas of the game. He has to drill on making sharp passes to the perimeter and to cutters. Just like shooting drills, it's the only way to develop those skills.


So you are saying Eddy was not doing any of this for 7 years and now he will and will became as Duncan and Shaq? Come on man...
I mean there are always a hope for miracles. NJ Lottary!!! You never know!!!
But you cannot rely on miracles in busines - 9999 times of 10000 you will lose you money
I will not put my expectations on line based on miracles. Too much of a dissapointment.
As for now Eddy is one-dimentional role player, highly overpayed, has no trade value and high health risk.
And he will need to show me a lot to change my mind on that.

No, not that he will become like Duncan or Shaq. You're supposed to watch what the greats do to improve. That's all.

Not looking for a miracle. I just figure he made a big leap this year. It was different from his previous time in the league because he has a new coach who has taken a particular interest in him. He has said he's going to work hard this offseason, and the Knicks coaching staff has big plans to work with him this offseason. Is it too unreasonable to expect further improvement?

I sure hope not. We'll find out...
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5/16/2007  5:40 PM
Posted by tkf:

how can lack of outside shot be a negative for curry? if anything it should be a plus... I mean it is like listing a lack of post game, a negative for steve nash.. come on!
I definitely agree with your first post about it not being necessary to post his thread!

That said, I think a jump shot would open up Eddy's game a lot. Teams couldn't collapse on him on the perimeter if he was a scoring threat (or if they did, it would really open up the paint). Being able to score from anywhere within 20 feet is one of the best assets of guys like Boozer, Duncan, JO, and Bosh.
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5/16/2007  7:09 PM
Curry was never put in situations isiah is asking him to be in. Why he wasn't being groomed for this when he got into the league is beyond me. He was 18 when he got into the league. Its a ****ing crime that he wasn't groomed better. By now he would have been a black belt. Right now eddy is probably a green belt.

Anyway, his offensive game still needs improvement. He has a natural touch around the basket. He needs some more deception in his game in the way of head fakes and some drop step moves. If he could spin baseline he would be a terror.

His jumpshot is money. It looks great and he is pretty accurate with it. Isiah talked about expanding his game more but said he wants to save it for next season. I can see how he can expand currys game more but its definately better to continue to pace him. In just 2 seasons, eddy has done more than he ever has. He is showing that he picks up things fast. I can't see curry not improving at the start of next season and then making strides as the season goes along.

You know eddy curry is probably the last person on the team the knicks have to worry about.

How bout starting a thread about channing and his bitch ass and run his name into the ground. Eddy curry does not deserve the nonsense he gets from the fans just because he sucks on defense and rebounding. The guy has shown that he can improve and the chances are that he will.
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Posted by EnySpree:

Curry was never put in situations isiah is asking him to be in. Why he wasn't being groomed for this when he got into the league is beyond me. He was 18 when he got into the league. Its a ****ing crime that he wasn't groomed better. By now he would have been a black belt. Right now eddy is probably a green belt.

Anyway, his offensive game still needs improvement. He has a natural touch around the basket. He needs some more deception in his game in the way of head fakes and some drop step moves. If he could spin baseline he would be a terror.

His jumpshot is money. It looks great and he is pretty accurate with it. Isiah talked about expanding his game more but said he wants to save it for next season. I can see how he can expand currys game more but its definately better to continue to pace him. In just 2 seasons, eddy has done more than he ever has. He is showing that he picks up things fast. I can't see curry not improving at the start of next season and then making strides as the season goes along.

You know eddy curry is probably the last person on the team the knicks have to worry about.

How bout starting a thread about channing and his bitch ass and run his name into the ground. Eddy curry does not deserve the nonsense he gets from the fans just because he sucks on defense and rebounding. The guy has shown that he can improve and the chances are that he will.

eny, you make a post about why eddy should've been groomed from day one.

what about isiah's use of frye and how he wasn't groomed for anything and was basically left as the 4th or 5th option with the starters?
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