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TrueBlue
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5/15/2007  12:24 AM
Is anybody watching this clinic against the Spurs?
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5/15/2007  12:31 AM
Suns are stealing this game. Down 5 with roughly 2 minutes to play and they run off 6 straight. Nice job my Nash and Stoudemire, who hit 2 big buckets.
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5/15/2007  12:37 AM
LMFAO @ Steve Nash

Craig Sager interviewing him

Craig: What happened with Robert Horry and you near the sidelines

Steve: I got Body Slammed

Craig: You got up pretty quick it seemed from the blow

Steve: Yeah I've been workin on my guns who knows what would have happened if I got a couple combos in

Craig: Did you see Amare leave the bench at all or any other players

Steve: I Saw Stars
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5/15/2007  12:38 AM
Great job by the Suns. It looked like the Spurs were about to put a choke hold on this series but the Suns made some great plays down the stretch and played great D to steal the game.

Now assuming there are no BS suspensions, a la the 97 Knicks, to Diaw or Stoudemire, this series will likely go the distance. At least I'd like to see it go to a game 7.
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5/15/2007  12:40 AM
ah the 97 knicks what a nightmare
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5/15/2007  12:41 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Great job by the Suns. It looked like the Spurs were about to put a choke hold on this series but the Suns made some great plays down the stretch and played great D to steal the game.

Now assuming there are no BS suspensions, a la the 97 Knicks, to Diaw or Stoudemire, this series will likely go the distance. At least I'd like to see it go to a game 7.


Somebody will get suspended because they left the court. The only thing that may save them is that someone was trying to check into the game(I believe Amare). If not according to the rules there should be suspensions although personally I feel there shouldn't be any.
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5/15/2007  12:41 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

LMFAO @ Steve Nash

Craig Sager interviewing him

Craig: What happened with Robert Horry and you near the sidelines

Steve: I got Body Slammed

Craig: You got up pretty quick it seemed from the blow

Steve: Yeah I've been workin on my guns who knows what would have happened if I got a couple combos in

Craig: Did you see Amare leave the bench at all or any other players

Steve: I Saw Stars

The NBA wouldn't suspend Bowen for a knee to the groin or Horry for a forearm shiver into the scorers table but they would definitely suspend Stoudemire for running to the scorers table to check into the game.

I'm still bitter about 97.
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5/15/2007  12:42 AM
Diaw was absolutely useless today. I'm surprised he played as much as he did, and I like the guy. But he's been pulling a severe Channing Frye lately. If the Suns lose Stoudemire, on the other hand, that will hurt.

You guys say Steve Nash is the MVP, but if the Suns lost this game, look no further than Nash. How many turnovers did he have? Like 10?
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5/15/2007  12:55 AM
I didn't say Nash was the MVP. I think Dirk was easily most deserving of the MVP.

Listening to the TNT guys talk about how there's no way that anybody should be suspended is absolutely infuriating. I'm seriously still bitter about 97 and how the NBA capriciously interprets their own rules.

There have been many instances in the playoffs since 97 where a player steps further onto the court during an altercation, than Ewing did that night, but they've never been suspended like Ewing was.

There's no doubt in my mind that the NBA didn't want the Knicks in the next round, or at the very least wanted the Knicks to work even harder to get to the Conference Finals against the Bulls. They wanted to give the Bulls all the help they could, even though they didn't need it. MJ = ratings.
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5/15/2007  5:07 AM
Posted by islesfan:

I didn't say Nash was the MVP. I think Dirk was easily most deserving of the MVP.

Listening to the TNT guys talk about how there's no way that anybody should be suspended is absolutely infuriating. I'm seriously still bitter about 97 and how the NBA capriciously interprets their own rules.

There have been many instances in the playoffs since 97 where a player steps further onto the court during an altercation, than Ewing did that night, but they've never been suspended like Ewing was.

There's no doubt in my mind that the NBA didn't want the Knicks in the next round, or at the very least wanted the Knicks to work even harder to get to the Conference Finals against the Bulls. They wanted to give the Bulls all the help they could, even though they didn't need it. MJ = ratings.

Really? Can you point to examples? I've always thought the NBA was at least consistent in that regard and continued to suspend anyone who left the bench even a little bit during an altercation.
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5/15/2007  7:53 AM
Posted by mythfaze:

Really? Can you point to examples? I've always thought the NBA was at least consistent in that regard and continued to suspend anyone who left the bench even a little bit during an altercation.

The NBA has been selective about when they've given penalties. I can definitely remember instances (although the specifics are escaping me) where they didn't suspend the player. The only consistency is that other than Ewing, in most cases of a player coming on the court, when a player does get suspended, it's either in a case where the team was a loser anyway or it wasn't a major player to that team. At least, that's my impression of it.
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5/15/2007  10:29 AM
My guess is no one gets suspended. The league allows for a reaction which happened but nothing happened after it. There was no brawl.
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5/15/2007  10:31 AM
Btw, the answer to the initial question: the main reason he didn't win MVP is because they weren't going to give it to him three years in a row. Dirk was deserving of getting one eventually, no doubt about it and led his team to the best record in the league, so it was fair, but certainly Nash was at least even with Dirk.
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5/15/2007  10:45 AM
Posted by Solace:

Btw, the answer to the initial question: the main reason he didn't win MVP is because they weren't going to give it to him three years in a row. Dirk was deserving of getting one eventually, no doubt about it and led his team to the best record in the league, so it was fair, but certainly Nash was at least even with Dirk.

Nash had his best season as a pro statistically.
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5/15/2007  10:47 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:

Btw, the answer to the initial question: the main reason he didn't win MVP is because they weren't going to give it to him three years in a row. Dirk was deserving of getting one eventually, no doubt about it and led his team to the best record in the league, so it was fair, but certainly Nash was at least even with Dirk.

Nash had his best season as a pro statistically.

Like I said, he was deserving, but they weren't giving it to him three years in a row. And Dirk deserved one by now, so he got one. Fair or not, they weren't going to add Nash as a three-in-a-row MVP.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:

Btw, the answer to the initial question: the main reason he didn't win MVP is because they weren't going to give it to him three years in a row. Dirk was deserving of getting one eventually, no doubt about it and led his team to the best record in the league, so it was fair, but certainly Nash was at least even with Dirk.

Nash had his best season as a pro statistically.

Like I said, he was deserving, but they weren't giving it to him three years in a row. And Dirk deserved one by now, so he got one. Fair or not, they weren't going to add Nash as a three-in-a-row MVP.


Which means awards are gimmicks nowadays anyway. David Stern has joked this league up. I can't wait until he's no longer the commissioner.
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5/15/2007  10:51 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Which means awards are gimmicks nowadays anyway. David Stern has joked this league up. I can't wait until he's no longer the commissioner.

Of course. The NBA is a big gimmick. It's also the only sport where the refs can have such a big impact on games. I always advocate not blaming the refs, but I think they're wildly inconsistent every other game... the league does seem quite fixed at times, doesn't it?

[Edited by - Solace on May 15 2007 11:14 AM]
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5/15/2007  11:17 AM
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Posted by TrueBlue:

Which means awards are gimmicks nowadays anyway. David Stern has joked this league up. I can't wait until he's no longer the commissioner.

Of course. The NBA is a big gimmick. It's also the only sport where the refs can have such a big impact on games. I always advocate not blaming the refs, but I think they're wildly inconsistent every other game... the league does seem quite fixed at times, doesn't it?

[Edited by - Solace on May 15 2007 11:14 AM]


The fact the NBA Scheduling of Awards Announcement was constant news let me know how bad the league is getting. It was if the league was saying "yeah we have no choice but to give the MVP Award to Dirk because the votes are in but let's let the embarrassing storm die so that it seems the right choice was made".
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5/15/2007  11:36 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:

Btw, the answer to the initial question: the main reason he didn't win MVP is because they weren't going to give it to him three years in a row. Dirk was deserving of getting one eventually, no doubt about it and led his team to the best record in the league, so it was fair, but certainly Nash was at least even with Dirk.

Nash had his best season as a pro statistically.

Like I said, he was deserving, but they weren't giving it to him three years in a row. And Dirk deserved one by now, so he got one. Fair or not, they weren't going to add Nash as a three-in-a-row MVP.


Which means awards are gimmicks nowadays anyway. David Stern has joked this league up. I can't wait until he's no longer the commissioner.


Its always been that way. Jordan clearly should have won MVP the yr they gave Magic his last one (I think it was his last one). It seems like the NBA likes to make the younger player wait their turn, and at the same time award a veteran player who may have been looked over in previous yrs.


[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-15-2007 11:47 AM]
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Doesn't the writers vote?

If so, then the league controls the Media?

Mavs won 67 games which is no small total. Team leader is Dirk. Logical choice. If Suns won more games then I think Nash gets it.

Dirk won't get it for playoffs.

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