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5/11/2007  1:24 PM
Jackson: J.O. wants out of Indy

By Adrian Wojnarowski

Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:53 pm EDT

SALT LAKE CITY -- As Jermaine O'Neal tries to conduct some public damage control about his understood desire to leave the Indiana Pacers, his old teammate, Golden State's Stephen Jackson, says he knows how badly O'Neal wants a trade from Indy.

"I don't think he has any patience (left), but Jermaine is the ultimate professional," Jackson told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday. "But he wants to get out of there because all of the guys they brought in to build the team around him are gone now. Me, Ron (Artest) and Al (Harrington). I've heard rumors that (Jamaal) Tinsley wants to leave, too.

"I just hope J.O. gets put in the best situation because he is a great player."

O'Neal, 28, is playing semantics with his trade request to Pacers executives. Request? Demand? Whatever he wants to call it, it's been made clear to Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird that the 6-foot-11 All-Star would rather leave than stay. At the top of his list of destinations are the Los Angeles Lakers to join Kobe Bryant and the New York Knicks to be reunited with Isiah Thomas.

"I talked to him a while back, and he was saying that if he did get traded he would want to go to those two teams," Jackson said. "Isiah and Jermaine are good friends. If it does happen, look out East. Him and (Eddy) Curry in the paint are going to be a monster. But him and Kobe will be a monster, too."

With as much success as the eight-player mid-season trade involving Jackson and Harrington has brought Golden State, there is only more pressure on Walsh and Bird to get maximum value for O'Neal.

After finishing 35-47 and missing the playoffs for the first time in a decade, the Pacers appear to be in full rebuilding mode. O'Neal wants no part of starting over with the franchise.

"It's going to have to be the perfect deal (to get O'Neal out), because you know from the deal they made with us (landing Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy) it didn't work out for them," Jackson said. "They don't want to make a bad deal again. I think it would have to be a perfect deal.

"Hopefully it works for him because you play so much better when you're somewhere you want to be, in a place where you are wanted. That's why I'm having so much success here, because they've embraced me like a newborn."
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5/11/2007  1:39 PM
Yeah those were some strong words. I think he's right about Bird and Walsh wanting to come out looking good in any deal for JO. They didn't look good at all with Dunleavy and Murphy not hhelping them make the playoffs. I do think that they got some good players tho. Diogu is a very useful player, as are Dunleavy and Murphy. They just need to keep building that team in a new direction. Granger is another good young player.

I don't know what they'd want for JO, but they may be somewhat stuck, cuz I don't know how many teams will be willing to foot the bill for JO. His contract has some HUGE paydays coming up. Most teams just aren't going to be willing to take that on, so that weakens Indy's position. The Lakers and Knicks might be the only real market anyway. Isiah isn't going to just give up the store again after all the heat he's taken for the Curry deal. I have a feeling he'll play a little hardball this time.
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5/11/2007  2:04 PM
i dont think he'll bet the bank either. JO will help, but take us to the promise land, I doubt it. Plus Grunwald keeps talking about 2ys until cap flexibility tells me that they are not looking to just keep adding to the bloated payroll especially if JO will come in and miss about 30-40 games with injuries.

Oneil would be a good fit, because he can do it all and he plays good D and patrols the lane. Plus he post and face up and hit the mid range jumper, everything we want Curry to be.

Something like
Curry
Oneal
Balkman
Crawford
Marbury

would be good.
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5/11/2007  5:16 PM
This is what I suspected. I knew he probably asked for a trade but is too much a good guy to bring it to the media. He wants out, but Jackson is right, Bird is not going to trade him unless he finds a good deal. They will definitely want Lee. If it is like Lee and Jeffries, Rose and maybe a future pick, I would do it just to get Jeffries bad deal off our hands. As much as I like Lee, O' Neal is an upgrade in almost every area.

However, I would not trade all our assets for O' Neal. In Balkman, Collins, Nate, Frye, and Lee, we have 5 guys with the potential to become very solid players, with a few guys with allstar potential. I don't want to do any kind of Lee, Balkman, and Collins trade where we give up all our youth.

[Edited by - thegame on 05-11-2007 5:17 PM]

[Edited by - thegame on 05-11-2007 5:17 PM]
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5/12/2007  2:41 AM
This is definately something to talk about. Jackson has no reason not to make comments. He would know what's going on cuz of all he has been through with indiana.

Anyway, just from observing indiana and what has been said by Walsh and done by bird, they are gonna want David lee. That's just a given. Put whatever spin you want on it, but bird would want lee. They also would want Nate. Walsh and carliyle(sp?)gushed about how they couldn't guard him or have the answer for him. I think they would love a shot at that kid. Jared jefferies is from indiana, so I think he would be someone that would have to fit in this deal.

To me that's a lot already, but salary is still missing.

You know I wouldn't be suprised if isiah gets jermaine. Isiah is the dude to make it happen. Shit is what would be left after isiah shoots himself in the face.
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5/12/2007  10:30 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

This is definately something to talk about. Jackson has no reason not to make comments. He would know what's going on cuz of all he has been through with indiana.

Anyway, just from observing indiana and what has been said by Walsh and done by bird, they are gonna want David lee. That's just a given. Put whatever spin you want on it, but bird would want lee. They also would want Nate. Walsh and carliyle(sp?)gushed about how they couldn't guard him or have the answer for him. I think they would love a shot at that kid. Jared jefferies is from indiana, so I think he would be someone that would have to fit in this deal.

To me that's a lot already, but salary is still missing.

You know I wouldn't be suprised if isiah gets jermaine. Isiah is the dude to make it happen. Shit is what would be left after isiah shoots himself in the face.

Lee, Nate, Jeffries, and Rose should work under the salary cap. If no draft picks are involved, I consider the deal. I think Nate and Lee both have the potential to be near all-star players, but we would get rid of Jeffries bad deal and add a still young star PF, and keep our draft pick this year to add another young player. Collins looks like he will be a better PG than Nate in terms of running the team, and Balkman brings alot of the energy and rebounding of Lee and is a better defender. All in all, the team would be better assuming O' Neal stays healthy, which is the big question mark.

Really, we should consider standing pat and waiting until 2009 to get our star player. IT should be doing deals for guys with 2 years left on their contract. If we could get rid of Jeffries, that would go a long way to getting under the cap in two years.

[Edited by - thegame on 05-12-2007 10:36 AM]
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5/12/2007  11:54 AM
I read this trade idea from an Indystar Article:

O'Neal ($19.7 million) to New York for Jamal Crawford ($7.9 million), Channing Frye ($2.5 million) and Jared Jeffries ($5.6 million)
>> Why it works: O'Neal still has a close bond with Knicks coach Isiah Thomas. Crawford can play both guard positions and he's capable of high-scoring games.
>> Why it doesn't: The Pacers would be helping their former coach take a step closer to returning to the playoffs.

I like this deal in that it clears 2 PF's that we don't need and Jamal can be replaced with all the guards we have. We get to keep our best young prospects.
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5/12/2007  12:06 PM
I'd never give up JO for that package. I'd be more likely to waive him actually than to take back those three pieces of garbage
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5/12/2007  12:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd never give up JO for that package. I'd be more likely to waive him actually than to take back those three pieces of garbage

You're probably right to some degree. Perhaps they'd ask for a pick as well, but remember that they likley won't have many other good offers. Teams are reluctant to spend in today's climate. Remember that JO will making 20 mil a year and would likely want an extension. We may not have the BEST potential package to offer but we may be one of the few actual offers they'll get. At least Jamal would give them someone dynamic on the perimeter. Frye is still young and may do better in a different situation. Jared is a much harder sell. As a guy with size off the bench he could give them a defensive role player. Not the sexiest package, but as I said they may not get much else.

There's also the other offer of Francis and Frye and maybe a pick. In any event the real stare down would be for Bird to look to get one more of our better young players. That's most likely to be Lee. If i'm Isiah I don't blink when it comes to Lee. Like most teams trading an All Star they won't get equal value.
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5/12/2007  1:12 PM
If Indiana trades JO, they go into rebuild mode. If they don't, they're just putting off the inevitable. They don't have what it takes, having traded Artest and Jackson and not getting value in return. I don't know if Bird is calling the shots there, but he hasn't been an overwhelming success so far, to say the least.
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5/12/2007  2:58 PM
The lakers have a stockpile of young dudes on movable contracts so they are pretty dangerous in the bid for jermaine.

The team that really needs jermaine is Dallas. Duh, you know?

If isiah really wants him he would have to play close attention to what the lakers or Dallas can put together compared to what he can muster.

Should be interesting.
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5/12/2007  4:19 PM
any deal for JO would have to involve Tinsley's contract coming back to us as well... & unless Indy's willing to take on Francis' contract, i don't see any possible match dollar wise.

the Lakers could offer a better package involving Odom & some of their young guys IMO.
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5/12/2007  4:29 PM
Would you trade Josh Howard for JO if you ran Dallas?
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5/12/2007  6:24 PM
Having two post players that both need 15/20 touches a game, I would rather get murphy and dunlev, thats the sensible trade.

P/U jermain seems like were just getting a talanted player, not a perfect fit.
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5/12/2007  9:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Would you trade Josh Howard for JO if you ran Dallas?

Not unless I could also unload Dampier for a fair replacement for Howard.
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Posted by knicks1248:

Having two post players that both need 15/20 touches a game, I would rather get murphy and dunlev, thats the sensible trade.

P/U jermain seems like were just getting a talanted player, not a perfect fit.

Well I don't really understand your point. We said we needed a PF who can rebound, block shots and score. That would be JO. As for having two guys who can score inside, it wouldn't be the only time that a team had 2 good post scorers. Besides, JO can step out and hit from midrange just fine. Since he can pass, I would guess that he'd fit VERY well. Teams would have a hard time deciding what to do when we have both on the floor. Do you leave Curry or JO single covered? What about the perimeter? I don't know if this move would make us title contenders right away, but it looks like it should make a nice improvement just the same. I don't think most people have so much doubt as to the benefits of adding him. It's the Health factor and cost of players in the trade, that seems to be the big issue.
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by knicks1248:

Having two post players that both need 15/20 touches a game, I would rather get murphy and dunlev, thats the sensible trade.

P/U jermain seems like were just getting a talanted player, not a perfect fit.

Well I don't really understand your point. We said we needed a PF who can rebound, block shots and score. That would be JO. As for having two guys who can score inside, it wouldn't be the only time that a team had 2 good post scorers. Besides, JO can step out and hit from midrange just fine. Since he can pass, I would guess that he'd fit VERY well. Teams would have a hard time deciding what to do when we have both on the floor. Do you leave Curry or JO single covered? What about the perimeter? I don't know if this move would make us title contenders right away, but it looks like it should make a nice improvement just the same. I don't think most people have so much doubt as to the benefits of adding him. It's the Health factor and cost of players in the trade, that seems to be the big issue.


Zone D will kill the inside after a while, Unless we have some deadly threats from outside,It's safe to say (judging from history) that and inside out is the better then outside ,in which we all saw all so well this season with curry and ( poor man JO) fry.

Mike and Troy both deep threats complement curry better (imo)
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5/13/2007  11:26 AM
No way to do you bring Murphy and Dunleavey here. Those guys suck plain and simple. I would rather let Lee, Fyre, and Balkman develop and hope that Lee and Balkman can develop jumpshots. At least, we would only have to pay Lee and Balkman a couple million to see if they can get a jumper. We would be on the hook for millions in we took on Murphy and Dunleavey. Bird made that stupid trade, we should not let him get out of it by making another bad trade for the same players. The only way it would make sense is if we were sending them Francis, who there is no doubt is worse than Murphy and/or Dunleavey. But then we would screw up our cap flexibility for 2009.
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5/13/2007  2:10 PM
Balkman and lee developing a jumper..there at least 3 years away from hitting any perimeter shot with anykind of consistancy. Im not saying it's the best possible trade, it just doesnt seem like JO and Curry dont make up the next twin towers, not when JO is in his prime, and curry is on the rise.

If I have an inside presence like curry, then my main concern is to find a dominate perimetr threat to complement him and off set the defense.
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5/13/2007  2:20 PM
Does Miami have anyone the Pacers would be interested in, to go along with Frye and Jeffries? There was some noise about Francis going to them during the season.
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