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Killa4luv
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5/10/2007  10:44 AM
I have been saying this for years now and it is amazing he hasn't done this, but when you are 6-6 and above in the NBA, you should learn to play with your back to the basket. When you are 7 feet it is imperative!!! He let a 6-8 guy shut him down (stephen Jackson). This is a guy who, even if he is stronger than Dirk, Dirk should be able to spost and shoot over him with relative ease. I mean we are talking about 5 inches here.

Pau Gasol had/has the same problem although not to the same extent, he does play down low, he just isn't as skilled down there as I feel he should be for a 7 foot guy.

Dirk is going to have to really develope his game this summer, OR Cuban is gonna have to do some major retooling to compensate for Dirks weaknesses. Adding another bigman star would help, or a scoring/penetrating/dishing point guard wouldn't be so bad either.
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5/10/2007  10:58 AM
Post up skills would certainly help. I think that the team losing was also a combination of his lack of production and the teams inability to guard GS with such a quick lineup. So much speed at every position was a BAD matchup for Dallas. Dirk was rendered useless because as you say he didn't have a post up game that he could go to in order to stretch the D and get some open looks for himself or his teammates. You have to have a well rounded game as a bigman and a well balanced floor game as a team. Dallas was all perimeter and Dirk didn't go inside enough to give his team some floor balance.

The Old tried and true methods still work best in the playoffs. Post play, Passing, Rebounding, D and solid perimeter shooting. In the regular season you can get away with weaknesses in some of these areas, but not in the playoffs. You can see how GS is being stretched a bit more due to Utah having Boozer inside and good perimeter shooting. They don't have anyone who can matchup with Boozer and it should've been the same way with Dirk, if he had posted up more.
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5/10/2007  11:31 AM
dirk was going to the hole a lot last year during the playoffs and he was playing tough down low. He just diddnt do that this year. His confidence was hit
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5/10/2007  11:56 AM
I agree, dirk usually has an advantage when teams try to guard him with bigs. But when you can go small, you have the advantage, because your smalls can guard dirk who is shooting jumpers and nothing esle, and on the other end, he can't guard smalls, and honestly it is not fair to even think he can...
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5/10/2007  12:32 PM
Posted by tkf:

I agree, dirk usually has an advantage when teams try to guard him with bigs. But when you can go small, you have the advantage, because your smalls can guard dirk who is shooting jumpers and nothing esle, and on the other end, he can't guard smalls, and honestly it is not fair to even think he can...

When Dirk is on D, you have to go with a defensive scheme that provides help if the player puts the ball on the floor. The thing is that the Mavs weren't quick enough on D to help and recover and thus they got beat a lot. Anytime a team takes and hits 3's in the volume that GS does, it's gonna be tough to stop them. They attack in order to create chaos and then hit the open man on the perimeter. Dirk is going to be helpless on D in a game like that. There's no way he can move fast enough to cover his man on the perimeter and the same would go for Diop. My guess is the best thing Dallas could do is use a zone.

The Mavs probably needed to try and slow the game down and post Dirk a LOT. That may have given them more of a chance. Maybe he could've drawn more fouls and likely have had more assists.
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5/10/2007  1:12 PM
Bottom line, Dallas got out coached. Dallas didn't have a game plan to counter what GS was doing. Saying GS was too quick is a poor excuse. We all saw that last game. Dallas basically had no idea what they were doing. No way the series should have went down the way it did.

As far as Dirk? He is not a guy that can control a game with his ball handling, nor is he a guy that can dominate the post. As with any shooter, if you can get into their heads and make them physically uncomfortable they are doomed. In other words, after they lost to Miami, they should have picked up a guy that could dominate the perimeter or the post. Dallas is an overconfident team. The way I look at it, Dallas losing the way they did will only force Dallas to make their team better, therefore making the league/game better.

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Posted by Killa4luv:

I have been saying this for years now and it is amazing he hasn't done this, but when you are 6-6 and above in the NBA, you should learn to play with your back to the basket. When you are 7 feet it is imperative!!! He let a 6-8 guy shut him down (stephen Jackson). This is a guy who, even if he is stronger than Dirk, Dirk should be able to spost and shoot over him with relative ease. I mean we are talking about 5 inches here.

Pau Gasol had/has the same problem although not to the same extent, he does play down low, he just isn't as skilled down there as I feel he should be for a 7 foot guy.

Dirk is going to have to really develope his game this summer, OR Cuban is gonna have to do some major retooling to compensate for Dirks weaknesses. Adding another bigman star would help, or a scoring/penetrating/dishing point guard wouldn't be so bad either.

The problem with Dirk isn't that he can't play with his back to the basket- the problem with Dirk is he choked, BIG TIME.


He had plenty of open looks- they didn't go down.

And- he's soft. When GSW was physical with him, he backed off and got scared instead of taking it strong and forcing the refs to call fouls.

Also, in fairness, the refs let GSW beat up Dallas- just like the refs are letting Utah beat up on GSW- no consistency of calls- its, to me, disappointing.

They called the game one way in the regular season, and now another way in the play offs- and don't give me "Its Playoff Basketball". A foul should be a foul. If you don't allow grabbing, pushing and shoving in the regular season, don't allow it in the play offs.

To some extent, if the league is going to allow this- your best strategy would be to build a 90's style knicks squad that might win 41-42 games in the regular season, but who could rough house their way through the play offs.
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5/10/2007  1:47 PM
"To some extent, if the league is going to allow this- your best strategy would be to build a 90's style knicks squad that might win 41-42 games in the regular season, but who could rough house their way through the play offs." -Franco

That's a big point. The NBA is full of ****.

This is why a dude like channing frye needs to be traded. When the NBA refs swallow their whistles during the playoffs a puss like channing has no chance in hell.

Isiah has got the right idea going but he has to get some real men up front to help curry.
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5/10/2007  1:52 PM
dirk doesn't necessarily need traditional back-to-the-basket skills, but he definitely needs to find ways to score or get fouled around the basket.
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5/10/2007  2:41 PM
He should have been having a party vs GS. But the reality of the situation is Dirk is really only 6'8''. I mean a 7' player hanging out on the perimeter what good is it because out there it means nothing to be 7'. But 7' on the interior is a recipe for disater for the opponents. There is no way that Dirk should have been shooting more than 10 feet away from the basket.
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5/10/2007  4:37 PM
Dirk doesn't need back to the basket skills, he needs a set of balls!
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5/10/2007  4:38 PM
Posted by Vmart:

He should have been having a party vs GS. But the reality of the situation is Dirk is really only 6'8''. I mean a 7' player hanging out on the perimeter what good is it because out there it means nothing to be 7'. But 7' on the interior is a recipe for disater for the opponents. There is no way that Dirk should have been shooting more than 10 feet away from the basket.

So, you wouldn't trade Curry for Dirk?
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5/10/2007  5:00 PM
Posted by franco12:

Dirk doesn't need back to the basket skills, he needs a set of balls!

yeah that post game can get you going when those 30 foot fade-aways wont fall.
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5/10/2007  6:31 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by franco12:

Dirk doesn't need back to the basket skills, he needs a set of balls!

yeah that post game can get you going when those 30 foot fade-aways wont fall.


Dallas doesnt run any plays where Dirk get the ball on the block. When they tried to Dirk did a horrible job trying to get position and the guards didnt have a clue on how to get him the ball. That is a recipe for disaster. Thats their weakness.

They need to go hard body for Jermaine o'neal. That would be nuts.
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5/10/2007  6:37 PM
I think Dirk's main problem is Steven Jackson. He finally found his match. Sometimes no matter how good a player is there might be that player that can contain him. Like Robert Pack use to do to Gary Payton. X-man and Scottie Pippen.

[Edited by - BigC on 05-10-2007 6:49 PM]
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5/10/2007  8:05 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Vmart:

He should have been having a party vs GS. But the reality of the situation is Dirk is really only 6'8''. I mean a 7' player hanging out on the perimeter what good is it because out there it means nothing to be 7'. But 7' on the interior is a recipe for disater for the opponents. There is no way that Dirk should have been shooting more than 10 feet away from the basket.

So, you wouldn't trade Curry for Dirk?

I like Curry but I never said I wouldn't want Dirk on my team. With that said adding Dirk doesn't mean the KNicks will become winners now adding Dirk along with Curry now you might get some where. I think you have totally misinterpreted what I was saying. Dirk made himself smaller by being out on the perimeter vs GS. He should have utilized his 7' frame and dominated the Warriors on the inside.
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5/10/2007  9:27 PM
So the question is, who should the mavs look to pick up?

They need a post threat. KG, Jermaine oneal, zack Randolph? Dare I say it but eddy curry?
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5/10/2007  9:29 PM
last season, dirk exercised the demons of duncan (making the game tying basket at the end of game 7) and the suns. he lost in the finals.

this year, the entire team gets blitzed and dirk had a poor series.

what's the problem with dirk?

the problem is that he's as much of a superstar as ewing was (translated into today's nba). which unfortunately, means he may not be good enough.
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5/11/2007  2:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

last season, dirk exercised the demons of duncan (making the game tying basket at the end of game 7) and the suns. he lost in the finals.

this year, the entire team gets blitzed and dirk had a poor series.

what's the problem with dirk?

the problem is that he's as much of a superstar as ewing was (translated into today's nba). which unfortunately, means he may not be good enough.

Guys that stopped Ewing from winning a title includes Jordan and Hakeem. Dirk got stopped by Stephen Jackson.
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5/11/2007  2:54 PM
The problem with Dirk is that he's about to be named league MVP.
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