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5/9/2007  11:23 PM
Jermaine O'Neal said in an interview Wednesday that he has spoken with Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh once since the season ended, but trade talk never entered the conversation. He said there is nothing to reports that he's pushing to be reunited with his old coach Isiah Thomas at the New York Knicks .

"That's just somebody that's putting out speculation," O'Neal told The Associated Press. "That didn't come from the Pacers, and that didn't come from me."

O'Neal was close to Thomas when he coached the Pacers, before he was fired four years ago in favour of Carlisle. O'Neal acknowledges that he could be traded but denied a Chicago Tribune report that he had made such a request.

"They gave me the opportunity to build my name and status in this league," O'Neal said of the Pacers. "It's disrespectful to them to be commenting about it. I haven't made any demands or anything like that.

"There's not going to be anymore speculation," he said. "It's all going to be false speculation. I'm going to let the process take its course."

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap/
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5/9/2007  11:37 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Jermaine O'Neal said in an interview Wednesday that he has spoken with Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh once since the season ended, but trade talk never entered the conversation. He said there is nothing to reports that he's pushing to be reunited with his old coach Isiah Thomas at the New York Knicks .

"That's just somebody that's putting out speculation," O'Neal told The Associated Press. "That didn't come from the Pacers, and that didn't come from me."

O'Neal was close to Thomas when he coached the Pacers, before he was fired four years ago in favour of Carlisle. O'Neal acknowledges that he could be traded but denied a Chicago Tribune report that he had made such a request.

"They gave me the opportunity to build my name and status in this league," O'Neal said of the Pacers. "It's disrespectful to them to be commenting about it. I haven't made any demands or anything like that.

"There's not going to be anymore speculation," he said. "It's all going to be false speculation. I'm going to let the process take its course."

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap/


I wish people would listen to me when it comes to Sam Smith. Now that's 2 occasions this yr he's flat out lied about a player possibly being moved. The guy should seriously be fired.
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5/9/2007  11:39 PM
he should work for ESPN.
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5/9/2007  11:45 PM

"There's not going to be anymore speculation," he said. "It's all going to be false speculation. I'm going to let the process take its course."

Umm, what process? You're still under contract for several years.

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5/10/2007  7:51 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2865747



[Edited by - playa2 on 10-05-2007 07:52]
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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5/10/2007  8:16 AM
i still worry about jo's health going forward. he seems vulnerable to breaking down, doesn't he?
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5/10/2007  8:34 AM
I notice that he did not do alot of "I want to be a Pacer for life" type comments. I think he did talk about being moved to Walsh. Maybe not in a "I demand that you trade me" type of statement, but probably more like a "something needs to change even if it means moving me" type of statement. I think he is available, but the asking price is probably going to be too high.
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5/10/2007  9:19 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by MaTT4281:
Jermaine O'Neal said in an interview Wednesday that he has spoken with Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh once since the season ended, but trade talk never entered the conversation. He said there is nothing to reports that he's pushing to be reunited with his old coach Isiah Thomas at the New York Knicks .

"That's just somebody that's putting out speculation," O'Neal told The Associated Press. "That didn't come from the Pacers, and that didn't come from me."

O'Neal was close to Thomas when he coached the Pacers, before he was fired four years ago in favour of Carlisle. O'Neal acknowledges that he could be traded but denied a Chicago Tribune report that he had made such a request.

"They gave me the opportunity to build my name and status in this league," O'Neal said of the Pacers. "It's disrespectful to them to be commenting about it. I haven't made any demands or anything like that.

"There's not going to be anymore speculation," he said. "It's all going to be false speculation. I'm going to let the process take its course."

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap/


I wish people would listen to me when it comes to Sam Smith. Now that's 2 occasions this yr he's flat out lied about a player possibly being moved. The guy should seriously be fired.


Sam is not lying, he is just guessing. Its internet chat that takes it to a higher level. ANd in KNickland where money is not object, its all possible!

All he said was it would be disrespectful to play anything like that in the media.

The "Process" is the team is likely to consider such a thing as they are floundering with him so why not shop him and see what he could bring.

Teams do talk and my guess is thru history there is a whole lot of talk and little action regarding trades, this could be one of those.

Yes, Sam throws it out for sure, but its not criminal. Just speculation and much of it might be legit "considerations" that just never goes thru.
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5/10/2007  10:16 AM
I think trade talks did take place and they just don't want a repeat the mistake of the 76ers who didn't get that much for AI.
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5/10/2007  10:18 AM
I think I can name so many other teams that could put a better package together than we can. Plus, Bird aint dealing JO to us. That's just crazy talk. If you recall, the Pacers made a trade for two longer contracts (longer than those of SJax and Harrington) in Murphy and Dunleavy, both of whom are pretty expensive and through 2010-11. They are not taking back any contract that is longer than two or three years. The reality is that we would have to offer Francis (two years left), Frye, Lee and if we were to take back Tinsley, add Malik Rose (two years left) to the trade.

And JO cannot dictate where he wants to be traded...the Pacers are going to get as much possible for him because KG isnt gonna be available and teams looking for that "stud" are going to look to a player like JO and give up the farm.

I can see us getting more of an "Al Harrington" type, esp because he is not going to be amenable to coming off the bench for GS. Clearly, Nelly has him on a short leash. Who we would trade for Big Al is something I would have to think about...Nate probably would be involved since he certainly fits in with small ball.
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5/10/2007  10:35 AM
Posted by Queeniepop:

I think I can name so many other teams that could put a better package together than we can. Plus, Bird aint dealing JO to us. That's just crazy talk. If you recall, the Pacers made a trade for two longer contracts (longer than those of SJax and Harrington) in Murphy and Dunleavy, both of whom are pretty expensive and through 2010-11. They are not taking back any contract that is longer than two or three years. The reality is that we would have to offer Francis (two years left), Frye, Lee and if we were to take back Tinsley, add Malik Rose (two years left) to the trade.

And JO cannot dictate where he wants to be traded...the Pacers are going to get as much possible for him because KG isnt gonna be available and teams looking for that "stud" are going to look to a player like JO and give up the farm.

I can see us getting more of an "Al Harrington" type, esp because he is not going to be amenable to coming off the bench for GS. Clearly, Nelly has him on a short leash. Who we would trade for Big Al is something I would have to think about...Nate probably would be involved since he certainly fits in with small ball.

The thing is that VERY FEW teams are willing to make the financial committment to a guy who has had health issues. The Knicks get brought up cuz we have Deep pockets and are more willing than other teams to spend. It's not about the possible packages other teams can put together. It's about the teams that are WILLING to foot the bill for an older player with healthy problems. Those kinds of deals just aren't being made, with the exception of the Knicks.

I don't want them to make a deal if it's going to involve Lee and also mean taking back Tinsley. I don't know that Indy will have that kind of bargaining power. I don't know if he'd use it, but he does have a player option for next year. Also are they willing to commit to him for the rest of his contract if he isn't traded? Cuz he's not getting any younger or healthier.
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5/10/2007  11:48 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by MaTT4281:
Jermaine O'Neal said in an interview Wednesday that he has spoken with Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh once since the season ended, but trade talk never entered the conversation. He said there is nothing to reports that he's pushing to be reunited with his old coach Isiah Thomas at the New York Knicks .

"That's just somebody that's putting out speculation," O'Neal told The Associated Press. "That didn't come from the Pacers, and that didn't come from me."

O'Neal was close to Thomas when he coached the Pacers, before he was fired four years ago in favour of Carlisle. O'Neal acknowledges that he could be traded but denied a Chicago Tribune report that he had made such a request.

"They gave me the opportunity to build my name and status in this league," O'Neal said of the Pacers. "It's disrespectful to them to be commenting about it. I haven't made any demands or anything like that.

"There's not going to be anymore speculation," he said. "It's all going to be false speculation. I'm going to let the process take its course."

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap/


I wish people would listen to me when it comes to Sam Smith. Now that's 2 occasions this yr he's flat out lied about a player possibly being moved. The guy should seriously be fired.


Sam is not lying, he is just guessing. Its internet chat that takes it to a higher level. ANd in KNickland where money is not object, its all possible!

All he said was it would be disrespectful to play anything like that in the media.

The "Process" is the team is likely to consider such a thing as they are floundering with him so why not shop him and see what he could bring.

Teams do talk and my guess is thru history there is a whole lot of talk and little action regarding trades, this could be one of those.

Yes, Sam throws it out for sure, but its not criminal. Just speculation and much of it might be legit "considerations" that just never goes thru.


When you say "Sources have already stated J.O. has told the Pacers he'd like to be traded to the Knicks", that's pretty much lying. It's pinpointing the specifics of what was said. Why not say "Sources have already stated J.O. wants to be traded and a very likely destination could be the Knicks". Therefore that would appear more like speculation or hearsay. Instead he talking as if he's heard it directly from J.O.'s agent. It's from the school of Vesceyism who has calmed down 1 thousand, doing this type of reporting.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-10-2007 11:01 AM]
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5/10/2007  11:57 AM
Agreed, True.

His language is so strong, because otherwise it's not a story. Even if there is a mild-basis, it's so sensationalized, which is just silly. Pisses me off, because I'd rather hear the truth than something so sensationalized.

I guess if he wrote the truth, nobody would read his crappy column.

[Edited by - Solace on May 10 2007 11:58 AM]
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5/10/2007  12:12 PM
Posted by Solace:

Agreed, True.

His language is so strong, because otherwise it's not a story. Even if there is a mild-basis, it's so sensationalized, which is just silly. Pisses me off, because I'd rather hear the truth than something so sensationalized.

I guess if he wrote the truth, nobody would read his crappy column.


Yep and that's what pisses me off too because any of us could have wrote what he did and made it even more believable. Then when you have 15, 16, 17yr old gullible fans grabbing on to this and doing 1.1billion Trade Checkers/Scenarios it becomes mind numbing. It's irresponsible to the highest degree and the fact he has the mentioned parties(Jason Richardson, Paul Pierce, now J.O.) following up immediately refuting his pieces yearly is pathetic. Now does this mean J.O. won't be a Knick of course not, but what is the likely hood and what kind of legs does this have? None at the moment.


Here's what he wrote about Jason Richardson 3mos ago

Jason Richardson is leaving hints that given their infatuation with Monta Ellis Richardson will be the one traded by the Warriors after the season. Richardson is telling friends he's hoping for a trade to the Pistons or Bulls.


Here's what Jason Richardson said within a week of that story
"I don't even have family in Chicago, so I don't know how they got that. That's not true at all," said Richardson, a Michigan native. "I mean, everybody's playing good and we're trying to make the playoffs and you throw something like that out there? People are calling me, my teammates, like, 'Where did that come from?'

"It's kind of messed up, whoever ran that story. I've never said anything close to that."


They need to Can him if he keeps doing this, it's total irresponsibleness.
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5/12/2007  9:43 AM
I was reading a very good article from the Indystar:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070420/SPORTS04/704200469/1088/SPORTS04

The writer put some possible trades out there:

>> 1. O'Neal ($19.7 million) to Minnesota for forward Kevin Garnett ($22 million).
>> Why it works: O'Neal and Garnett both need a change of scenery after enduring tough seasons the past few years.
>> Why it doesn't: Timberwolves vice president Kevin McHale said Thursday he has no intention of trading Garnett. O'Neal and Garnett can opt out of their contracts next season. Garnett is also older and has more wear and tear.
2. O'Neal ($19.7 million) to New York for Jamal Crawford ($7.9 million), Channing Frye ($2.5 million) and Jared Jeffries ($5.6 million)
>> Why it works: O'Neal still has a close bond with Knicks coach Isiah Thomas. Crawford can play both guard positions and he's capable of high-scoring games.
>> Why it doesn't: The Pacers would be helping their former coach take a step closer to returning to the playoffs.
3. O'Neal ($19.7 million) to Los Angeles Lakers for Lamar Odom ($13.5 million), Andrew Bynum ($2.2 million) and Maurice Evans ($1.5 million).
>> Why it works: O'Neal would love to play alongside Kobe Bryant and become the second scoring option. Odom's versatility would allow him to play the point-forward position with the Pacers.
>> Why it doesn't: The Lakers are reluctant to part ways with Bynum, an up-and-coming big man.
4. O'Neal ($19.7 million) and Jamaal Tinsley ($6.3 million) to the Los Angeles Clippers for Elton Brand ($15.3 million), Corey Maggette ($7.8 million) and Shaun Livingston ($4.4 million)
>> Why it works: Both teams would be trading All-Star forwards, and the Clippers need a point guard since Livingston will likely miss all next season and Sam Cassell will be 38.
>> Why it doesn't: The Pacers have had enough injury problems. Livingston had reconstructive surgery on his left knee last month. Maggette is healthy now, but his foot injuries scared off the Pacers when they were shopping Ron Artest.
5. O'Neal ($19.7 million) to Denver for Nene ($11.1 million) Marcus Camby ($8 million) and J.R. Smith ($1.6 million).
>> Why it works: The Pacers get a solid big man in Nene, the league's top shot-blocker in Camby and solve their 3-point shooting problem with Smith. O'Neal gets to play alongside All-Stars Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony.
>> Why it doesn't: The Nuggets might not think there are enough shots to go around among O'Neal, Iverson and Anthony.


[Edited by - nixluva on 05-12-2007 09:44 AM]
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5/12/2007  12:08 PM
Sam Smith Should Avoid Shaq and Dark Alleys

Posted May 11th 2007 7:30PM by Marcel Mutoni

Sam Smith of The Chicago Tribune has gotten himself quite a bit of publicity in the last few days. He recently floated two baseless trade rumors in the paper about Shaquille O'Neal and Jermaine O'Neal; the two rumors were denied vehemently by both sides. Shaq has now taken things a step further by calling out the writer.

"Sam has no credibility after this, whatsoever."

"Sam is an idiot -- i-d-o-u-t -- idiot."

We know, Shaq. We know.

If I were Sam Smith, I would avoid crossing paths with Shaquille for the next little while. Actually, make that forever.

"I promise he wouldn't say that to my face in a dark alley, where it's just me and him and no witnesses. I guarantee he wouldn't say that to me, guarantee it." O'Neal said.

Um, Shaq, I don't think anyone would dare to say anything to you in a dark alley.

[Edited by - mythfaze on 05-12-2007 12:09 PM]
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5/12/2007  10:58 PM
I don't think JO is an idiot.
Only idiot will try to go and play for Knicks.
Money are not everything.
Players want to win and have normal live without all the crap which is flooded Knicksland
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5/12/2007  11:54 PM
Posted by arkrud:

I don't think JO is an idiot.
Only idiot will try to go and play for Knicks.
Money are not everything.
Players want to win and have normal live without all the crap which is flooded Knicksland

I guess it makes us all idiots for rooting for our team
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5/13/2007  12:04 AM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by arkrud:

I don't think JO is an idiot.
Only idiot will try to go and play for Knicks.
Money are not everything.
Players want to win and have normal live without all the crap which is flooded Knicksland

I guess it makes us all idiots for rooting for our team

Rooting for our team doesn't mean to agree with the current direction and GM/Coach.
I think it is all the way around.
We have enough ambitions without JO. We need leadersheep and passion and this things you need to grow at the Garden not in Indiana.



[Edited by - arkrud on 05-13-2007 12:06 AM]
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5/13/2007  12:05 AM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by arkrud:

I don't think JO is an idiot.
Only idiot will try to go and play for Knicks.
Money are not everything.
Players want to win and have normal live without all the crap which is flooded Knicksland

I guess it makes us all idiots for rooting for our team

Since when did players not want to come to NY if the money is right? Why wouldn't JO want to play here. We have talent and a Coach he already likes. People are so quick to bash the team that they don't even think. Isiah is a players coach, what "crap" is JO really going to have to face. Most of the Knick players loved playing for Isiah. Even Malik Rose had good things to say, as you can read in my sig.

He's already said he'd like to come here so his point of view isn't the issue. All that matters is whether acquiring him is the best move for this team or not. How would JO and Curry work out together? What would we have to give up? Can JO stay healthy? If Isiah feels that he has acceptable answers to those questions, then he'll try to make that deal happen. In the end we all just want to see this team WIN, so we'll hope for the best, if he does add JO.
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