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BRIGGS
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5/7/2007  10:58 AM
It's important for us because it's a BIG area of concern as well. We've been killed at that position since Allan has been gone. Yes J craw has had great moments*here and there* but he is *erratic* and is TO SMALL to handle bigger 2 guards and doesnt make up for it on the offensive side % wise. I've heard a couple of people who want another smallish 2 guard, but we dont need that. It's VERY easy for guys like VC Rip --take any big 2 guard in the league--they get guys 6-2--6-4 and under 210 and they have their way with them and on the other side their size creates other problems--as they are able to sag off and recover on the D. Thats not even taking into consideration our gruesome 3pt% shooting. If we want the team as constructed to do well--we need a big 2 guard who can really shoot the ball--we could use a shot blocker too, but the 2 guard is what is urgent.
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5/7/2007  11:29 AM
I agree, people used to talk about Houston being soft, but Houston had size, a great jumper, could go to the rack earlier in his career well and he was mentally tough..... We have never recovered at that position since he left...
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5/7/2007  1:26 PM
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5/7/2007  2:21 PM
I still think that the perfect guy for us is Morris Almond. He's the right size and has that H2O type of game. One good thing is the development of Mardy, cuz he gives us the option of playing with a bigger backcourt. He's got the physical game we need to go up against big teams. I think Isiah has done a good job in trying to address that need and hopefully he'll continue that process.
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5/7/2007  3:15 PM
Get Corey Brewer for the SF, then Q can move to the SG when needed for match ups, or to create match ups. Trade Curry for the pick to get Brewer.
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5/7/2007  3:18 PM
the biggest problem is size at the 2 and 3pt shooting.

Crawford should be off the bench.

Marbury should be off the team.

If Collins could improve his shooting, I would say go with Marbury & Collins.

And the funny thing is- when you have smaller guys, you should be able to attack with quickness- but since Francis and Marbury are old and slower, that advantage hasn't been there for us.
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5/7/2007  4:41 PM
Posted by franco12:

the biggest problem is size at the 2 and 3pt shooting.

Crawford should be off the bench.

Marbury should be off the team.

If Collins could improve his shooting, I would say go with Marbury & Collins.

And the funny thing is- when you have smaller guys, you should be able to attack with quickness- but since Francis and Marbury are old and slower, that advantage hasn't been there for us.

Steph has lost a step, but is still quick enough to get by most any guard in the NBA, so i'm not sure what you're getting at. He was scoring at will with bad knees!!! There's more to being an effective penetrator than raw quickness. Change of speed and the element of surprise count as well. If you have a good handle you can gain the advantage even if you're not quick. Besides he's also one of the strongest PG's in the league at any size and so he also uses pure power on many of his drives. He often just gets his man on his side and just powers thru. Steph has no problem scoring. Mardy is deceptive in his moves and also uses his strength and body very well. With Mardy in the picture we really don't have a size problem. Once we add another SG/SF, that should pretty much clear up any size issues.
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5/7/2007  4:57 PM
Simple resolution - start Collins.


Dude is BIG.
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Posted by nixluva:
Steph has lost a step, but is still quick enough to get by most any guard in the NBA, so i'm not sure what you're getting at. He was scoring at will with bad knees!!! There's more to being an effective penetrator than raw quickness. Change of speed and the element of surprise count as well. If you have a good handle you can gain the advantage even if you're not quick. Besides he's also one of the strongest PG's in the league at any size and so he also uses pure power on many of his drives. He often just gets his man on his side and just powers thru. Steph has no problem scoring. Mardy is deceptive in his moves and also uses his strength and body very well. With Mardy in the picture we really don't have a size problem. Once we add another SG/SF, that should pretty much clear up any size issues.

I agree.
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5/7/2007  5:27 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Simple resolution - start Collins.


Dude is BIG.

I'd have no problem with that. In the beginning he'll likely come off the bench, but I think he's gonna see a good amount of minutes due to his overall solid play. Like Balkman and Lee, the more he plays the better his production. If i'm Isiah I make sure that ALL of our players are working EXTRA hard on their jumpers, cuz if we can raise the FG% of the other guys on the floor that will go a LONG way towards opening things up for this team. We can get to the hole with the guys we have, but it's the outside threat that we have to establish. Once teams see that we WILL hit open shots then we'll have them at a real disadvantage. To go along with that would be PASSING.

I feel our guards will be much better defensively with Mardy out there more. Steph and Q will defend and Balkman we already know will defend. I expect Nate's minutes to be low and I expect that Francis won't be here to muck up the works.
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5/7/2007  5:34 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Simple resolution - start Collins.


Dude is BIG.

I think it's possible he could be the starting PG within 2 years and play a much bigger role than last year next year. But Collins hasnt showed that he can shoot it and teams will counter that as they watch him on film or he can hit a consistent outside J.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-07-2007 5:35 PM]
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5/7/2007  5:53 PM
^ I'm not worried. Eric Snow was never a good outside shooter, but Mardy can be just as good IMO. Maybe not the leader Snow is, but def. the defender.


And the guy is just plain huge.
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5/7/2007  6:10 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ I'm not worried. Eric Snow was never a good outside shooter, but Mardy can be just as good IMO. Maybe not the leader Snow is, but def. the defender.


And the guy is just plain huge.

At the PG not the 2G
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5/7/2007  7:22 PM
Collins has a shooting guards body. Collins is a very sneaky player. He doesn't show his hand displaying a poker face at all times on the court. I freakin love the guy.

He has this hesitating crossover move that he used in college that is unguardable. He hasn't used it yet but I can't wait till he does. I still think he is a shooting guard but it doesn't matter cuz he is just a solid mofo.

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5/7/2007  7:46 PM
I actually think he's a PG in a SG's body. From what I saw of Mardy he qualifies as a PG just as much as Derek Harper did. For one thing he doesn't look to score FIRST. He keeps his head up and surveying the court. He makes the basic pass and not the fancy one. He defends PG's just as well as he does SG's and he rebounds. I think he has the mentality of PG and so I am VERY happy that Isiah drafted him instead of M. Williams. I like both picks at the time and I like them even more now. Balkman and Collins need only to improve on their strokes and we'll have a couple of REAL KNICKS on our hands. Strong defenders. Guys that give it 110% and play smart. Along with Lee they can be a big part of the future for this team. We need Isiah to find another guy like them this year, in terms of the mental attitude and effort level.
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5/7/2007  7:53 PM
mardy collins...err...i mean frank williams...err...i mean mardy collins...err...i mean frank williams...
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5/7/2007  8:17 PM
Mardy and Frank are 2 completely different players. I agree with Briggs though. Having a big shooting guard is a huge benefit, especially if he can shoot, and shoot consistently, like Allan Houston. A nice go to shooter would be a nice step in the right direction.
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by franco12:

the biggest problem is size at the 2 and 3pt shooting.

Crawford should be off the bench.

Marbury should be off the team.

If Collins could improve his shooting, I would say go with Marbury & Collins.

And the funny thing is- when you have smaller guys, you should be able to attack with quickness- but since Francis and Marbury are old and slower, that advantage hasn't been there for us.

Steph has lost a step, but is still quick enough to get by most any guard in the NBA, so i'm not sure what you're getting at. He was scoring at will with bad knees!!! There's more to being an effective penetrator than raw quickness. Change of speed and the element of surprise count as well. If you have a good handle you can gain the advantage even if you're not quick. Besides he's also one of the strongest PG's in the league at any size and so he also uses pure power on many of his drives. He often just gets his man on his side and just powers thru. Steph has no problem scoring. Mardy is deceptive in his moves and also uses his strength and body very well. With Mardy in the picture we really don't have a size problem. Once we add another SG/SF, that should pretty much clear up any size issues.

If Marbury is still quick, must be the sneakers or my TV, because I did not see him able to get by other players or into the lane or finish like he has.

Dude has a lot of miles and bumps and bruises.

If he can't last a full season, what good does he do us?
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5/7/2007  10:02 PM
Did you see him take it the full distance of the floor in about 2 1/2 seconds at the end against Utah? He's still very quick; he's just not as lightening quick as he used to be.
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5/7/2007  10:24 PM
Franco - "If he can't last a full season, what good does he do us?"

Marbs has proven that he can play hurt. If the season meant something at the end, I'm sure he would have played.

Aside from that the knicks have Collins. If marbs were to go down it would be Collins time. Marbury is still a player. Even if Collins were to get that opportunity to start cuz of injuries, I can see marbs falling into a veteran role like a Vernon Maxwell, terry porter, van exel, etc. I'm getting way ahead of myself but the writing is on the wall.
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