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Despite Popular Belief, Curry Doesn't Get Enough Touches
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bobs3304
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5/4/2007  5:38 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nyk/stats


^ As you can clearly see, Curry is 3rd...that's right THIRD, in shot attempts on the team. Marbury and Crawford shoot more than a dominant post player who, despite his faults, shoots an extraordinary 57% from the field.


And QRichardson isn't far behind him either, and in many games actually shoots more than Eddy.


Point is let's compare Eddy's touches to Yao Ming:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/hou/stats


That's right, he eclipses Curry by almost 5 shot attempts a game while only playing a couple minutes more a game. That's insane. Unlike the other leaders in FG% this year, Curry actually has game in the post, and he and Yao average the same # turnovers so can't use that as an excuse.


I mean how can you allow Jamal to get more touches shooting a poultry 40% FG and 32% from 3?


You could argue TMac doesn't shoot much better, but Crawford ain't no Tracy McGrady. Tracy is a DOMINANT perimeter force. Jamal isn't dominant.....he's just very streaky.

How many times have we seen Crawford throw up 35 points, and then 10 the next game? That's the difference between the stars and the pretenders, and which is why it was encouraging to see Curry do it consistently night in and night out for us last year.


How to reconcile this?


1.) Get Curry a jumpshot -- already in the process

2.) Isiah needs to decide what kind of offense we're running - motion or post

3.) Either move Marbury to SG and trade Crawford OR Move Crawford to 6th man, ORjust flat out trade Crawford.


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-04-2007 5:42 PM]
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5/4/2007  5:40 PM
You really don't want our starting center to avg over 6TO's/gm by giving him more touches do you?
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5/4/2007  5:42 PM
Yeah, I made the point a few weeks ago that Eddy was our third leading shot taker when I questioned our style of play and nixluva defined us as a low post first team.
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5/4/2007  5:44 PM
This isn't the issue. It's his hustle, rebounding, defense and lack of shotblocking. I'm not too worried about the turnovers, as I am with Crawford and Nate Robinson.
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5/4/2007  5:45 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

This isn't the issue. It's his hustle, rebounding, defense and lack of shotblocking. I'm not too worried about the turnovers, as I am with Crawford and Nate Robinson.

we're talking strictly offense here bub, and we all know curry ain't perfect so let it go already.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-04-2007 5:45 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/4/2007  5:45 PM
You mean Isiah isn't "force-feeding" Eddy to pump up his numbers? Waaahh?

In all seriousness, if you factor in the difference in the number of times Eddy gets fouled, plus TO's, Eddy gets about the same number of touches as Crawfish.

Assist numbers up, TO's down, and I have no problems getting the ball to Curry as much as possible, and no problem with the Guards playing off of him. Its called an "Inside-Outside Game" and it works.

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5/4/2007  5:47 PM
Posted by RemBee76:


In all seriousness, if you factor in the difference in the number of times Eddy gets fouled, plus TO's, Eddy gets about the same number of touches as Crawfish.

Shot attempts on fouls count too.

Nice try.
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5/4/2007  5:58 PM
Also, it's pretty worthy nothing that we don't actually run our offense through the post.

We may have some post offense, but I personally have never seen a play designed for Curry to be the facilitator (and he never was in Chicago too).

So that may be part of his low assist numbers, and makes you wonder about how Zeke is coaching...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-04-2007 5:58 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/4/2007  5:59 PM
And while Eddy's working on his jumper Marbury really needs to take some time off from his shoe tour to work on his post entry passes. The quality of Eddy's touches really needs to go up.
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5/4/2007  6:00 PM
and here i am thinking bobs is a hater. jk .. you got a point, if a player avg's 57percent a game you gotta 'force feed' him. which is why our guys have to hit their shots. we need a 3 that can the 3. c'mon balkman you can do it!
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5/4/2007  6:12 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Shot attempts on fouls count too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no statistics wonk...but doesn't that depend on if the foul was before or after the shot was released? If the shot never had a chance of going in, it shouldn't be counted as an attempt.

Also, if Curry commits an offensive foul in the act of shooting (happens a bit, unfortunately), then the FGA doesn't count, right?


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5/4/2007  6:16 PM
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5/4/2007  6:18 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by bobs3304:

Shot attempts on fouls count too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no statistics wonk...but doesn't that depend on if the foul was before or after the shot was released? If the shot never had a chance of going in, it shouldn't be counted as an attempt.

Also, if Curry commits an offensive foul in the act of shooting (happens a bit, unfortunately), then the FGA doesn't count, right?

Even if you're right, that would work in Yao's favor as well.
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5/4/2007  6:19 PM
Comparing Eddy's numbers to Craw's, not Yao's.
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5/4/2007  6:21 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

And while Eddy's working on his jumper Marbury really needs to take some time off from his shoe tour to work on his post entry passes. The quality of Eddy's touches really needs to go up.
i really don't understand people's logic in thinking marbury is a bad interior passer. you want a bad one, look no further than francis, jeffries, and frye. obviously w/steph being the point guard, he's going to turn it over every now and again on the entry pass, but those guys?

problem w/marbury is he's trapped between the point and the shooting guard spot's. he's a shooting guard trapped in a point guard's body.
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5/4/2007  6:23 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Comparing Eddy's numbers to Craw's, not Yao's.

Right so all that means is that Crawford misses a hell of alot of open looks while Eddy makes the defense pay. He needs to up that FT% though.



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-04-2007 6:23 PM]
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5/4/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, I made the point a few weeks ago that Eddy was our third leading shot taker when I questioned our style of play and nixluva defined us as a low post first team.

You can watch the games and see that the offenses 1st option is to go inside. The problem is that we often don't get it to him quickly enough or in the right position. Part of this is the fault of the guards. I think that Steph and the other guards often have a problem in getting comfortable making that entry pass. Also tho, Curry has to do a better job of sealing off his man. He actually just stands there at times and doesn't make sure to give the guards a good angle. Both have to work on this area. The heavy double and triples have a part in it too.

As for Curry's TO's his TO's increased as the injuries mounted. I guarantee that when we can put a more dangerous perimeter attack on the floor, teams won't be so aggressive in doubling him and his TO's will go down. Many of his TO's are Offensive Fouls and 3 sec violations, we all know that he isn't aggressive enough on D to get a lot of fouls that way. If he can get a bit more space, this guy could avg 10 FT attempts a game. He would destroy other teams bigs with foul trouble.
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5/4/2007  6:27 PM
Posted by daddynel:
Posted by BlueSeats:

And while Eddy's working on his jumper Marbury really needs to take some time off from his shoe tour to work on his post entry passes. The quality of Eddy's touches really needs to go up.
i really don't understand people's logic in thinking marbury is a bad interior passer. you want a bad one, look no further than francis, jeffries, and frye. obviously w/steph being the point guard, he's going to turn it over every now and again on the entry pass, but those guys?

problem w/marbury is he's trapped between the point and the shooting guard spot's. he's a shooting guard trapped in a point guard's body.

It's not "logic in thinking" - this isn't something I conjure up in the bathtub - it's what I see with my own eyes.

I think everyone who follows the team sees that Jamal, Lee and Malik to a better job of getting Eddy the ball in position to score, and they're not even point guards, or very good ones if they are. I have asserted on more than one occasion that Lee is our best PG, he's just not a very good one.
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5/4/2007  6:28 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Shot attempts on fouls count too.

Nice try.

I don't believe they do....unless the basket is made.
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5/4/2007  6:32 PM
Posted by Andrew:
I don't believe they do....unless the basket is made.

See, we need tomverve up in here.

My understanding is, if the shot goes up, whether its made or not, it counts as a FGA because if the basket is made it would count as a FGM.

But plenty of these fouls are before the shot release and so prevent the ball from going up. In those situations, wouldn't be fair for the FGA to be counted as there was never a chance for a FGM. But I don't know if this is actually the case.


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