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EnySpree
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Would you rather be a fan of a team that was destroying teams in the regular season and totally lays down in the playoffs or a team full of flaws that probably would have made the playoffs and gotten swept anyway if they didn't get the injury bug?
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SlimPack
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5/4/2007  1:38 AM
Dallas I guess since they are the better team. even though obviously what happened tonight was a collasal let down.
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EnySpree
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5/4/2007  1:59 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

Dallas I guess since they are the better team. even though obviously what happened tonight was a collasal let down.

Its the situation.

What hurts more?

Personally, I'm glad I'm not a Dallas fan. They made it to the finals last year but THIS year the bow down to a team that almost didn't make it to the playoffs.

I'm glad I'm in a situation where we suck, yet we have some fighters and are on the come up.

It just makes me feel good cuz it just proves that there is only one true winner and they only need 16 wins to do it.

If you go undefeated in the season and don't win a championship, you are just as bad as a lottery team.
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5/4/2007  4:58 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by SlimPack:

Dallas I guess since they are the better team. even though obviously what happened tonight was a collasal let down.

Its the situation.

What hurts more?

Personally, I'm glad I'm not a Dallas fan. They made it to the finals last year but THIS year the bow down to a team that almost didn't make it to the playoffs.

I'm glad I'm in a situation where we suck, yet we have some fighters and are on the come up.

It just makes me feel good cuz it just proves that there is only one true winner and they only need 16 wins to do it.

If you go undefeated in the season and don't win a championship, you are just as bad as a lottery team.

Of course the Mavs situation hurts more but that comes with the high expectations that only come from a team that expects to contend for a championship. I'd much rather have the hurt, than the numbness that comes with low expectations and knowing that your team can only hope to contend for the 8th seed, if everything breaks their way.

Every Knick fan who lived through the 90's should appreciate that. Did you enjoy those playoff years, even though they never won the championship and endured some very painful losses, or are you enjoying the last 6-7 years more?
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5/4/2007  5:19 AM
I enjoyed the playoff years, but our knicks were warriors. We went toe to toe with Jordan and Indiana. Never laid down.

Dallas was everyones prince. Mike breen probably cried like a bitch when Dallas lost. Those guys were posers. They are a team of losers that made a good team. They were over confident and then got beat at their own game. Not just beat but totally gang raped.

That to me would hurt me deeper that what we are going through with our knicks.

Dirk said he was totally embarrassed and felt like the season was wasted. Then he goes on to say Golden state just got hot. No way in hell. They got taken down defensively and he knows it. He is a puss and I'm glad when the knicks were good they didn't have puss balls like dirk leading them.

As of right now? I'd say the knicks have just as much a chance as Dallas to win it all. Their credibility is shot. They are now worst than the knicks in my book.

[Edited by - enyspree on 04-05-2007 05:23 AM]
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5/4/2007  8:23 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Dallas was everyones prince. Mike breen probably cried like a bitch when Dallas lost. Those guys were posers. They are a team of losers that made a good team. They were over confident and then got beat at their own game. Not just beat but totally gang raped.
I agree man. The Dallas management will have to seriously consider breaking it down and starting with 1 or 2 players. This was the most embarrassing thing that could happen to a team. Its one thing for a team like the Knicks to show progress (some would call this little or no progress but nonetheless, we won more games etc etc so we showed progress) but not get in the playoffs. Its completely worse for a team to rollover teams in the regular season and look like the biggest juggernaut in the league and then do NOTHING when the time comes for them to show up. I mean, they had 3 15-game winning streaks in the regular season!!! WTF!!??

Oh, and what the **** is going on with Dirk? He is one of my favorite players. I still think he is a top 10 PF but I don't think he is an all time top 10 PF. I think Dallas needs to find another franchise player. 2-13 in a must win game is the ultimate choke from a franchise player.
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5/4/2007  9:22 AM

Marbury = Dirk.

Both not champion, thus both the same.

T-mac is 500 points shy of Marbury for the all time leader in scoring without ever winning a series.

I know Steph is rooting for the Jazz!

It is better to have made the finals and choked and then won 67 game than to be the knicks the last two years. Its very hard to win the championship.

Lets look at things a bit different. Dallas went up 2-0 on the Heat but what if was just 1-1? and then they got sweeped? Kinda weak, but better to me is showed Heat were laying down and then woke up.

GS beats down Mavs this year hurts, but GS was a dangerous team at the 8 and had a coach who had knowledge on how to stop Mavs.

What is lost on a lot of folks this morning is the question of how much did the mavs choke, or did they just really out play the mavs? This team won 9 of 10 to make the playoffs and the mavs coasted in.

Nellie was funny to tell press "whats the worst thing that can happen? We LOOOOSE!!!!!!"

Avery tried to shift the pressure on GS but GS kept it tight in first half last nite and Dallas did the tighten up instead. Lead got so large that Mavs were cooked.

Cube should pay Nellie.

I wonder if they had a side bet.

Nellie: You win I drop my suit for the 6.8. Lose you pay no quetions!
Cube: Deal sucker!!!
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5/4/2007  9:22 AM
The better team won, in case you didn't watch the series
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5/4/2007  9:51 AM
Are we really asking ourselves which is better, to go to the finals and win 60+ games or to be in the lottery without lottery picks?

Really?

[Edited by - blueseats on 05-04-2007 09:56 AM]
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5/4/2007  10:40 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

It just makes me feel good cuz it just proves that there is only one true winner and they only need 16 wins to do it.

If you go undefeated in the season and don't win a championship, you are just as bad as a lottery team.

dude gotta disagree on that. wins are fun. 69 > 33. championships are the ultimate, but if they're all that matters, why watch the regular season at all? anyway, championships come down to luck to a huge degree - matchups, injuries, and just hot and cold games. outside of that, the mavs have a lot of the pieces. we have hardly any. no question in my mind that on rational and emotional levels there's a difference between losing teams and unfulfilled contenders.

bottom line is, any team aside from the warriors the mavs play, they have to be the favorite. sure it sucks that there's a team out there that owns them. half the league owns us. our division - some of the worst teams in the league - owns us.

also, if i were a mavs fan i'd like this incarnation of the team more than years past, where they took the highest paid player available. now, a lot of their key players are home-grown talent, drafted and developed in front of their fans' eyes - dirk, devin harris, josh howard. that's always nice as a fan, even if the team's results are disappointing you stick with those guys. i'm sure you feel the same way about the knicks young guys.

basically, two weeks ago, anyone thinking they would rather be a knicks than mavs fan would be committed to a mental institution. i don't think fans should be that fickle as to change based on even those dreadful games.
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5/4/2007  10:43 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

I enjoyed the playoff years, but our knicks were warriors. We went toe to toe with Jordan and Indiana. Never laid down.

knicks were warriors b/c they lacked talent. ewing was awesome but everybody else? HEAVILY flawed. not just flawed, but HEAVILY flawed. but they were a cohesive defensive unit and ewing's greatness got them to the 2nd round every year.

but looking back, the only real chance we had was '94 b/c we matched up with just a flawed team. but hakeem > ewing.

the 2nd best team in that stretch was '97 but then the brawl ended that.
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5/4/2007  10:48 AM
The warriors won 7/9 games this year, and they handed game the Mavs game five. They blew them out of the building in golden state. They are the better team matching up head to head, debating it is still plain stupid.
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5/4/2007  11:04 AM
Posted by MS:

The warriors won 7/9 games this year, and they handed game the Mavs game five. They blew them out of the building in golden state. They are the better team matching up head to head, debating it is still plain stupid.

They certainly played better than them, but i think it remains to be seen if they ARE better than them. They still have to demonstrate they can sustain this torrid pace and efficiency.

But the Mavs got to the finals last year. Do you think this GS would have also?

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5/4/2007  11:45 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by SlimPack:

Dallas I guess since they are the better team. even though obviously what happened tonight was a collasal let down.

Its the situation.

What hurts more?

Personally, I'm glad I'm not a Dallas fan. They made it to the finals last year but THIS year the bow down to a team that almost didn't make it to the playoffs.

I'm glad I'm in a situation where we suck, yet we have some fighters and are on the come up.

It just makes me feel good cuz it just proves that there is only one true winner and they only need 16 wins to do it.

If you go undefeated in the season and don't win a championship, you are just as bad as a lottery team.

Of course the Mavs situation hurts more but that comes with the high expectations that only come from a team that expects to contend for a championship. I'd much rather have the hurt, than the numbness that comes with low expectations and knowing that your team can only hope to contend for the 8th seed, if everything breaks their way.

Every Knick fan who lived through the 90's should appreciate that. Did you enjoy those playoff years, even though they never won the championship and endured some very painful losses, or are you enjoying the last 6-7 years more?

good point, but as a knick fan i will always choose them win or lose. thats my team. I can see your point with dallas and the ny team from the 90s. However NY never didn't choke like Dallas did, 94 they lost to a Rockets team that went on to win back to back. 95 Ewing went for the finger roll instead of the dunk and 96-98 Jordan came back.
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5/4/2007  11:54 AM
the depth of the pain of a dallas fan at this point would be totally unbearable and emberassing. Its one thing to suck, its another thing to damn near win 70 games and have everyone pick you as the championaship team and get beat by a team that barely squeaked into the playoffs. That really really hurts deep. That is far worse, imo. Obviously they are in a better situation, but getting bumped in the first round is incomprehensible.
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5/4/2007  11:57 AM
They have Dirk and Josh we have Eddy and Steph I will take the misery.....

And we had a much better team than the Rockets, if not for some braindead decisions down the stretch we were taking it in 5
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5/4/2007  12:12 PM
Golden state missd Baron + J-rich for 50 + games and got Al and Steve mid-season.

not your normal 8 seed
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5/4/2007  2:09 PM
Silliness.

Ok, yes, Dallas lost, but...

would you rather be a fan of a good team or a bad one.

Pure silliness.
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5/4/2007  3:13 PM
This Dallas upset kind of takes the goat label away from the '99 Heat (lost to our #8 seed finals team - which actually kind of said we probably shouldn't have been the #8 seed in the first place) and the '94 Sonics (lost to the #8 seed Nuggets). In this case, Golden State had to beat Dallas times.

I feel terrible for Dallas - they worked hard, but Nellie had a killer game plan, and his boys executed it to perfection.
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5/4/2007  4:30 PM
Marbury = Dirk.

How about this why don't you save those comparsions for when Marbury makes the NBA Finals or is a leading candidate for regular season MVP.
Silliness.
Ok, yes, Dallas lost, but...

would you rather be a fan of a good team or a bad one.

Pure silliness.

^^^^ Thank you a voice of reason why not just throw hey instead of being a Mavs fan lets be a fan of a garbage team that isn't even capable of changing their garbage status through the draft or free-agency.
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5/4/2007  4:38 PM
How were the heat goats? Van Gundy had half a season didn't know what he had in camby and spree and once he figured it out the team got rolling. We swept Atlanta who was terrible would have done the same to indy with a healthy ewing. We got an awful call in game two which we were about to win anyway.....

Denver was the bigger upset in my opinion, because they got waxed the next round and anyone can win a three game series. The better team always wins a 7 game series.......

GS is going to win another round most likely and lets see how they play the rest of the way before you call dallas chockers

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