I would probably blame that on Frye and Isiah.

Isiah drafted him saying he would have picked him at #1 overall if he had the pick.

IMHO Frye played better under Larry Brown because Brown never had the offense go through Curry.

That could be what's killing Frye, he's confused and has lost confidence in his abilities and game too.

Is this a prime example of being mentally weak , or has zeke change alliances within his core.

curry was getting double and triple teamed. frye would get wide open looks from 15' and brick them. once this happened enough he even started passing them up.

how is that isiah's fault? frye has shown no confidence because he's mentally weak. he had 12 boards in 29 minutes against a good chicago team in december, he's dropped 30 a few times, he has the talent.

"has zeke changed alliances within his core" ??? wtf are you talking about dude, frye has shown time and time again he has talent and can do things but he seemingly shys away from contact, refuses to bang down low (even though he's nearly 7 feet and 'put on 10 lbs of muscle' or whatever that crap we heard before last season), and lets his missed shots play mind games with him. because isiah runs the offense through curry what did this make him sad and he doesnt want to play anymore? those allianecs in his core changed?? what are you talking about bro?

i wouldn't give up on him just yet but i would see where his game's at around the trade deadline next yr and at that point if hes still the biggest coward in the NBA i'd trade him or move him to the D league to toughen his ass up.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-02-2007 11:03 PM]

I think Fry will be a good player on other team.
He need a couple of years on team which play him 15-20 min from the bench without looking at how he was grafted and how he is hyped by media.
I can see teams like San Antonio or Huston taking him for chip (as they usiually do) and slowly developing his confidence back. Playing alongside with great players will be a blessing for him. Kid just get into wrong place. He need good coaching from coach concentrated on fundamentals. Pop, Van Gandy, Sloan, LB are his guys. This is something to think about for his agent.
It is wery small possibilty that he will develop in something special but he will be decent player in 3-5 years.


[Edited by - arkrud on 05-02-2007 09:49 AM]

Well REMEMBER Channing played for Lute Olson for 4 yrs at the Univ of Arizona who is a no nonsense type of coach.

Under LB another nonosense type of head coach he played a little better even thru out the confusion.

The knicks do not seem to be team of disciplined players.

Yes I do believe frye is mentally weak, but he seems to be a guy who wants to be in a structured system.

Also what could possibly attribute to that is his up bringing, his dad was very disciplined on Channing growing up.

So IMHO he needs to be in a well structured disciplined system for him to show a maximum amount of consistency.

This is why I beleive he's confused and his head is not in the game all the time while on the court.

Channing Frye would be the perfect example of a guy in need of a new scenary.

Isiah and his stable of horses are to lossey goosey for the forever thinking too much channing frye.

I don't get the idea that Isiah is a soft coach. He's actually a tough guy in reality. He comes off as quiet and laid back, but that's deceiving, cuz there's never been a more competitive person. You obviously have forgotten how nasty he can be. He just doesn't give that off in public, but I think he's got a fire in his belly and always has. This team has flaws. Even LB couldn't get this team to avg fewer TO's.

Channing is his own worst enemy. While I agree that Isiah didn't ever focus on Frye and give him a good role. Still CHanning never took charge and make the best of his chances. He was often out on the floor for a good amount of time and just never stepped up his effort level. Balkman and Lee showed that kind of fire and Frye just didn't. Even with the fact that Isiah didn't cater to him, there was still so much that Frye could've done out there and he didn't do it. It was all in his head. I just hope he can go somewhere and clear his head and come back determined to have a good season.

Zeke the player is not zeke the coach in any way shape or form.

Zeke couldn't even stop nate from acting like an immature child while on the sideline nate didn't want to even listen to him while being scolded.

If Isiah's only discipline standard on the knicks is players who are injured to wear a nice suit we are in trouble.

Isiah wants to be friends with the players when the temperment of some doesn't require that , but a swift kick in the pants.

Some players like frye truly needs to be coached in a personal way to get the most out of him.

Hard to discipline someone who's your friend!

Posted by RemBee76:

Posted by playa2:
Hard to discipline someone who's your friend!

Zeke seemed to manage that with Marbury.

How about Nate ?

What about Nate, you don't think he was a better player by the end of the season? Maybe his giving Isiah attitude was the reason we saw so little of him mid-season. I don't see how that's indicative of Isiah just trying to be his friend.

Since Marbury got here all you heard was how Isiah and Marbury were neighbors and buddies and how Marbury was never going to improve under Zeke's protective wing. Start of the season Marbury comes in out of shape and not putting in the effort...Zeke benches his butt. That’s not getting tough?

With his players Isiah fosters an "Us vs. Them" attitude that has Isiah publicly supporting his guys. It’s not so much about being their friend, as it is being their teammate. He's not afraid to criticize the guys, but he won't make a public show if it to make a point.

This worked for him in Indiana, and I think its the reason we saw such a tight unit this season. But don't think Isiah is afraid to crack the whip when its needed.

Is there a point in there somewhere?

It worked for him in indy? did he not lose in the first round of the playoffs every year.....

The point is that isiah doesn't know how to coach, he should have brought frye off the bench in order to get him into the flow offensively while running more plays for him. He needed to use lee more, cut eddys minutes by about 8, and it was painfully obvious that balkman needed to be playin ahead of jefferies, but isiah ****ed that up too because he ****ed up with jefferies in the first place. Starting Jerome James, Isiah was a joke this year.

The knicks should be commended for lapsing through the first quarter in 50% of their games only to fight there way back to defeat

Posted by misterearl:
how you gunna compete, or conduct a rational conversation, wif dat?

No worries, Earl, I wasn't going to try.