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bigbeast
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5/1/2007  12:38 PM
In the other thread, I'm seeing the term lovers being thrown around yet no names are attacthed. Who R these so-called Lovers? And what exactly does it mean?

Trueblue said the Lovers thought it was justifiable to sign JJ2. Who? Who thought that? the one person who I remember who fully endorsed the JJ2 signing was NYK4ever. Is he a Lover? I hated that signing and said as much when the rumors started last summer. Does that make me a hater?

I think Curry has potential to improve and instead of ripping on him all the time, I see progress from last yr to this and feel he can continue improving. So now does that make me a Lover because I don't feel that Curry has reached his ceiling of potential?

Then I see Bip asking when is it acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds? Well, who on this board excepts that? Some of you guys seem to make up extreme statements just to validate a particular point and just throw up the term "Lover". Like the infamous "They". When people say "They" said there are Aliens amongst us. Well, who the H** is "They"?

I'm a realist. I dont see everything through Knick-colored glasses nor do I look at everything through dark-shades either. I'm able to rip Isiah when I take a look at this roster and see all these loose parts that dont fit. But I'm also able to give credit when he lands a Lee, Balkman, Curry (yes, Isiah should have protected the picks, he overpaid....but Curry is still a nice assest to have on this team.)

And what about the Extremist who have made it personal and hate everything Isiah?

Just wanted some clarification.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 12:47 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 12:49 PM]
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5/1/2007  1:37 PM
It's just a habit around here to generalize. Posters will refer to "haters", "lovers", "kool-aid drinkers", "Larry Lovers", "Isiah Idolizers", "UK Mafia", etc. Sometimes someone will say "You guys are a bunch of idiots" without specifying who they're talking about.

My advice: Never assume you're included in any general group. That way you don't have to get upset.
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5/1/2007  1:45 PM
Where has this attitude gone? When did it become acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds under what he should be averaging and still have fans demanding he not be criticized for it? When did this start?

BigBeast if you are going to quote me, quote me correctly. I have no respect for people that call others out and then misquote them.

But to address your point. I have two complaints about Eddie. The fact that he doesn't block shots and doesn't rebound. I don't complain about his passing out of the double teams or avoiding offensive fouls, or some of his other flaws. Why do I complain about the rebounding and shotblocking? Because he could change this aspect of his game today!!! Now when I make a comment about this in a post and soemone calls me a hater or whatever. I ask them what they disagree with. They normally will go on to agree with me and yet still call me a hater and to stop attacking Curry.

I do not attack Curry. I have no problem assessing his game. I have no problem talking about his strengths, which is exactly what I did when I said

"you can argue that Curry has a devestating low post game".

I comment on the post at hand and give my honest opinion. There are things I liek and things I don't. It's just weird that when I comment on Curry's low post game I receive very little resistance from the "haters". Noone argues with me. But when I say that I don't like the fact that Curry averages 3-5 rebounds less than he is capable of, the "you hater", "you impatient fool", "root for the Nets" crowd comes out in full effect. And then I get lumped into a category of guys that thinks Eddie is a bumb. It's like clockwork. Unless you think everything is great you will be lumped in a category with guys that thinks we are all doomed. They will then make posts that misquote you to provide further evidence that you are a Net fan. It's an endless cycle.
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5/1/2007  1:46 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

It's just a habit around here to generalize. Posters will refer to "haters", "lovers", "kool-aid drinkers", "Larry Lovers", "Isiah Idolizers", "UK Mafia", etc. Sometimes someone will say "You guys are a bunch of idiots" without specifying who they're talking about.

My advice: Never assume you're included in any general group. That way you don't have to get upset.

Thank you. This is exactly why I use "quotes" when I write the word "haters" or "lovers"
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5/1/2007  1:47 PM
Yeah, this labeling stuff is pretty irritating.
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5/1/2007  2:05 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:

It's just a habit around here to generalize. Posters will refer to "haters", "lovers", "kool-aid drinkers", "Larry Lovers", "Isiah Idolizers", "UK Mafia", etc. Sometimes someone will say "You guys are a bunch of idiots" without specifying who they're talking about.

My advice: Never assume you're included in any general group. That way you don't have to get upset.

Thank you. This is exactly why I use "quotes" when I write the word "haters" or "lovers"

That's too subtle for us.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 05-01-2007 14:05]
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5/1/2007  2:11 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:

It's just a habit around here to generalize. Posters will refer to "haters", "lovers", "kool-aid drinkers", "Larry Lovers", "Isiah Idolizers", "UK Mafia", etc. Sometimes someone will say "You guys are a bunch of idiots" without specifying who they're talking about.

My advice: Never assume you're included in any general group. That way you don't have to get upset.

Thank you. This is exactly why I use "quotes" when I write the word "haters" or "lovers"

That's too subtle for us.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 05-01-2007 14:05]

That's because "you guys" are "idiots"

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-05-2007 2:11 PM]
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5/1/2007  2:12 PM
You guys are lovers when it comes to lover threads
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5/1/2007  2:20 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

And what about the Extremist who have made it personal and hate everything Isiah?
I hear you man. I don't really like the guy or anything, I just think Curry, Lee, Balkman and Mardy have something to show. I bet I am considered to be a blind fan with rose colored blah blah...
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5/1/2007  2:59 PM
"Where has this attitude gone? When did it become acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds under what he should be averaging and still have fans demanding he not be criticized for it? When did this start?"

That is your exact quote. My only question to you was which fans accept this? Which fans say he shouldn't be criticzed?

I didn't make this thread to start a debate on Curry. I only used him to validate my point, not defend him. Just As I used JJ2.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 3:00 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 3:02 PM]
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5/1/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by bigbeast:

And what about the Extremist who have made it personal and hate everything Isiah?
I hear you man. I don't really like the guy or anything, I just think Curry, Lee, Balkman and Mardy have something to show. I bet I am considered to be a blind fan with rose colored blah blah...

Silverfeul, that's my beef with Curry though. He just hasn't shown consistently yet. We all know it's obvious that he's going to be one of the most unstoppable scorers in the league. We all love that, including me. It's good basketball. Yet he very frequently gives it his half arse on the defensive end, b/c he is so out of shape, and we excuse him for that. "Oh don't worry, he just came to camp out of shape. Wait till he comes in next season." and then he doesn't. That's why I think it's dangerous to build around the guy, when in fact, I don't think we should build around anyone. Just make a damn team. However, he hasn't earned the right to be our franchise player. Hence, he's not gonna get the love from me, like he gets from most other people, until he shows the greatness on defense, that he has on offense.
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5/1/2007  3:21 PM
This board is different from everywhere else in the world. In real life, a lover is someone who feels truely blessed by the presence of someone or something, and nothing can go wrong with it. This is an extremist as well, simply because it's bias. A hater is also bias, just as the other end of the spectrum. He thinks what he sees in something is horrible and nothing good can go well with it, and in my humble opinion, you can't go up to a lover or hater, on their topic of bias, and ask for a solid breakdown on it, b/c their opinion is going to get in the way.

You gotto talk to the realist, the person who can look at things, without an opinion and just see the facts and based on those facts, can make a prediction or give you the best breakdown on a subject. The prediction may be right or wrong, but it's most reliable.

BUT ULTIMATE KNICKS IS DIFFERENT!!!

In terms of the lovers that is. This is the only place in the world where I've seen a lover of something with such low expectations of the Knicks. on MSG, Mustafaaa was a lover. He thought the Knicks were going to win the championship, with the roster at hand, no matter what the record was and no matter how poorly we were playing. On this board, if you even say "It's bad if the Knicks can't even win 42 games." the so called lovers think it's ignorant that we come up to that conclusion, despite the talent level we have on paper, which is very high.

Therefore, I can't really say they are lovers, b/c they have such low standards for the team, but high standards for some of the individuals, therefore, I am gonna go out on a limb and say posters like Nixluva, misterearl and a whoooole number of others are NOT Knicks lovers. If anything, they could care less about the Knicks as a team, b/c their standards are so low, but just wanna see individual success from certain players. Weird fans. Very weird fans.
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5/1/2007  3:34 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

"Where has this attitude gone? When did it become acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds under what he should be averaging and still have fans demanding he not be criticized for it? When did this start?"

That is your exact quote. My only question to you was which fans accept this? Which fans say he shouldn't be criticzed?

I didn't make this thread to start a debate on Curry. I only used him to validate my point, not defend him. Just As I used JJ2.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 3:00 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 3:02 PM]

Do you read the boards? I discuss every player on this team. I discuss the good and the bad. If the topic is Curry I have no problem discussing his low post scoring. I have no problem discussing the fact that he doesn't rebound or play D. Same with every other player on this team. But I can guarantee anytime I(or anyone else) discusses a flaw about Curry or Marbs etc the same 4 or 5 posters will come on and call those posters haters and anti-fans etc. Those fans settle in my view. If you are not one of the fans that do this, then ignore it. They love the players in the uniform more than they actually love the uniform

Now my problem with you is that in your original post you quoted me as saying "Then I see Bip asking when is it acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds?". If you are going to quote someone quote them properly. If I said what you said I did then I deserve to be attacked because it's false. But going by my actual statement I ask you what is unfair about it? And if you say that I'm being unfair to Curry for expecting at least 9(and that's being extremely generous) if not 10-12 rebounds then I think as far as Curry is concerned you are settling. There is no excuse for a nimble, athletic, 7 foot 300 pounder averaging 5 and then 7 rebounds a game. None!!!

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-05-2007 3:40 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-05-2007 3:41 PM]
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5/1/2007  4:18 PM
What center averaged 3-5 rebounds

just for the record Eddy Curry started EVERY game, shot a respectable 58 per cent from the field, averaged a tasty 19.5 points per game and 7 rebounds. Okay, so his turnovers hurt, but that can be fixed.

Who can really say if he can't add another three rebounds per game and a half a point?

20 and 10 ain't no joke

call me crazy

[Edited by - misterearl on 05-01-2007 4:21 PM]
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5/1/2007  4:24 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by bigbeast:

"Where has this attitude gone? When did it become acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds under what he should be averaging and still have fans demanding he not be criticized for it? When did this start?"

That is your exact quote. My only question to you was which fans accept this? Which fans say he shouldn't be criticzed?

I didn't make this thread to start a debate on Curry. I only used him to validate my point, not defend him. Just As I used JJ2.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 3:00 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 3:02 PM]

Do you read the boards? I discuss every player on this team. I discuss the good and the bad. If the topic is Curry I have no problem discussing his low post scoring. I have no problem discussing the fact that he doesn't rebound or play D. Same with every other player on this team. But I can guarantee anytime I(or anyone else) discusses a flaw about Curry or Marbs etc the same 4 or 5 posters will come on and call those posters haters and anti-fans etc. Those fans settle in my view. If you are not one of the fans that do this, then ignore it. They love the players in the uniform more than they actually love the uniform

Now my problem with you is that in your original post you quoted me as saying "Then I see Bip asking when is it acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds?". If you are going to quote someone quote them properly. If I said what you said I did then I deserve to be attacked because it's false. But going by my actual statement I ask you what is unfair about it? And if you say that I'm being unfair to Curry for expecting at least 9(and that's being extremely generous) if not 10-12 rebounds then I think as far as Curry is concerned you are settling. There is no excuse for a nimble, athletic, 7 foot 300 pounder averaging 5 and then 7 rebounds a game. None!!!

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-05-2007 3:40 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-05-2007 3:41 PM]

Bip, I know you quite well (Come on we are party-buds,) and you are usually very fair in your assesments. Again, its not about Curry. Its more than fair to expect a 7 footer (actually, I dont think he's an inch over 6'10) to average at least 9 rebounds a game. But as you said, I'm not one of those posters who jump in and attack you so I should have ignored it.

Point taken.
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5/1/2007  4:26 PM
Posted by misterearl:

What center averaged 3-5 rebounds

just for the record Eddy Curry started EVERY game, shot a respectable 58 per cent from the field, averaged a tasty 19.5 points per game and 7 rebounds. Okay, so his turnovers hurt, but that can be fixed.

Who can really say if he can't add another three rebounds per game and a half a point?

20 and 10 ain't no joke

call me crazy

[Edited by - misterearl on 05-01-2007 4:21 PM]

That's my point Misterearl. the 20 is the hard part for Curry. Ten should have been a given in my view. For some reason you seem to think that we feel Curry can't average 10 rebounds a game. In reality not only can he, he should be already. And until he gets in the ball park he will be criticized for not giving the effort that NY fans feel their players should.
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5/1/2007  4:46 PM
I guess "haters" are posters who hate whats done with the Knicks in recent years.
"Lovers" are poster who love whats done with Knick and what this club is become.
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5/1/2007  4:48 PM
There are no LOVERS.

There are just haters and realists.
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5/1/2007  4:49 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by bigbeast:

"Where has this attitude gone? When did it become acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds under what he should be averaging and still have fans demanding he not be criticized for it? When did this start?"

That is your exact quote. My only question to you was which fans accept this? Which fans say he shouldn't be criticzed?

I didn't make this thread to start a debate on Curry. I only used him to validate my point, not defend him. Just As I used JJ2.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 3:00 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-01-2007 3:02 PM]

Do you read the boards? I discuss every player on this team. I discuss the good and the bad. If the topic is Curry I have no problem discussing his low post scoring. I have no problem discussing the fact that he doesn't rebound or play D. Same with every other player on this team. But I can guarantee anytime I(or anyone else) discusses a flaw about Curry or Marbs etc the same 4 or 5 posters will come on and call those posters haters and anti-fans etc. Those fans settle in my view. If you are not one of the fans that do this, then ignore it. They love the players in the uniform more than they actually love the uniform

Now my problem with you is that in your original post you quoted me as saying "Then I see Bip asking when is it acceptable for a center to average 3-5 rebounds?". If you are going to quote someone quote them properly. If I said what you said I did then I deserve to be attacked because it's false. But going by my actual statement I ask you what is unfair about it? And if you say that I'm being unfair to Curry for expecting at least 9(and that's being extremely generous) if not 10-12 rebounds then I think as far as Curry is concerned you are settling. There is no excuse for a nimble, athletic, 7 foot 300 pounder averaging 5 and then 7 rebounds a game. None!!!

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-05-2007 3:40 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-05-2007 3:41 PM]

Bip, I know you quite well (Come on we are party-buds,) and you are usually very fair in your assesments. Again, its not about Curry. Its more than fair to expect a 7 footer (actually, I dont think he's an inch over 6'10) to average at least 9 rebounds a game. But as you said, I'm not one of those posters who jump in and attack you so I should have ignored it.

Point taken.

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