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BRIGGS
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4/28/2007  11:07 AM
One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.
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4/28/2007  11:13 AM
You bring up something that is interesting. I always thought the players would keep getting bigger and bigger, but if you're alluding to what GS is doing to Dallas, then we've got to wonder.
Phoenix plays that uptempo style as well.

I think it really comes down to what Stern is going to do with officiating. It's analogous to societal laws in a way. Even if the laws don't benefit us as individuals, if we all follow the
laws then society goes in that direction. So goes officiating in the NBA. One only has to look at the last few years of ticky tacky fouls.

Care to elaborate on the sizes of the players and how the game would be played. I imagine very up tempo, which would be great for the fans.
We have a few uptempo possibility players: Crawford, Balkman, Lee and Collins could always be the distributor, but a more uptempo type pg might be better.
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4/28/2007  11:44 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.
Miami had the "warriors" team two years ago. Tim Duncan won the title and they trade for shaq..... the next year Shaq & wade beat the "soft" Mavs for the crown. The big guys always win, hell even the pistons had 2 Power Foward/Centers in Wallace & Wallace. YOu need big guys.
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4/28/2007  12:26 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by BRIGGS:

One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.
Miami had the "warriors" team two years ago. Tim Duncan won the title and they trade for shaq..... the next year Shaq & wade beat the "soft" Mavs for the crown. The big guys always win, hell even the pistons had 2 Power Foward/Centers in Wallace & Wallace. YOu need big guys.

You do need a big guy on the first unit and the second unit and a situational shot blocker if at times you need to go two big--other than that Im looking forward--you are looking backward-- you are telling me what was im telling you what is and will be:)
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4/28/2007  12:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.


I heard the analysts make this comment last night while watching the GS/Dallas game and here you are Briggs posting the exact comments as if they are your own.

No wonder your post offered no substance whatsoever.
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4/28/2007  12:45 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.


I heard the analysts make this comment last night while watching the GS/Dallas game and here you are Briggs posting the exact comments as if they are your own.

No wonder your post offered no substance whatsoever.

This is the NBA--this is where its going. I don't know what the heck you are talking about--but my grandmother could probably *get it* if she watched closely enough. The Bulls The Suns The Warriors --all a variant and successful
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4/28/2007  12:58 PM

I think good interior defense stops that...Dallas' "defense" is hype...I remember when the Knicks played Dallas, Isiah was screaming for the guards to "take" Dallas guards off the dribble...They are terrible on the perimeter and have no interior defense..I wouldn't rush to make this the new blueprint for success...I still think a good defensive front line that rebounds and score is the way to go...I still think the Showtime Lakers and Bird's Celtics are the way to go...
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4/28/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.


I heard the analysts make this comment last night while watching the GS/Dallas game and here you are Briggs posting the exact comments as if they are your own.

No wonder your post offered no substance whatsoever.

This is the NBA--this is where its going. I don't know what the heck you are talking about--but my grandmother could probably *get it* if she watched closely enough. The Bulls The Suns The Warriors --all a variant and successful

You are repeating words you heard on the TNT broadcast last night.

I can't say where the NBA is going.

I see you have also arrived on the Warriors bandwagon. Good luck.

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4/28/2007  4:35 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.

Being that the NBA is a copy-cat league, if the Warriors are able to upset Dallas, and the Bulls and or the Suns advance to the finals, GM's all over the league will be trying aquire multi-skilled-players who can spread the floor.

Its funny, I think Isiah's intial vision was for a quick offense that can apread the floor. Then Curry became available and now he's basically aquiring players who are more suited for a half-court system.
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4/28/2007  4:41 PM
So if a guy NBA analysts are the only ones that can have an opinion? Its not fact unless they say it and if someone else says it you gotta call them a poser, etc?

Yeah GS is showing a different style of game. Pheonix, Detroit, san Antonio, Dallas, bulls...yeah the NBA is changing. Anyone with 2 eyes can see that. Don't need a know it all bobble head on TV to make it fact.

Everytime someone wins everyone starts crying that their team needs a MVP candidate, defenders, shooters, shot blockers, etc. Please man.

What's so wrong with what Briggs is saying? Yeah the NBA is getting more skilled.

The knicks lack enough skilled players that's why they are on the outside looking in.

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4/28/2007  5:58 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.

Nellie ball was before his time while in NY as the knicks coach.

Can anyone deny that the knicks would be in a much better position today if he would have stayed in NY with his son DON NELSON JR as his chief scout. He saw this type of ball being played today, many yrs ago

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4/28/2007  6:06 PM
Posted by EnySpree:


The knicks lack enough skilled players that's why they are on the outside looking in.

I just don't think it's a very easy thing to duplicate the SUNS, MAVS & GS. Those teams are loaded with Skill players and I don't see us being able to change the make up of the team in to that degree. I wouldn't say that we are overly deficient in Skill players. Perhaps after the injuries that was the case, but when reasonably healthy we have a good level of skill players. Just not at the level of those special teams. I have hope that we'll continue to develop some of our mostly defensive players and get their offensive games up to a decent level. Of course we can look to add another young skill player and we'll see how Lee, Balkman, Collins and Morris turn out. IMO the prospects for this team turning into a solid traditional NBA team are fairly good.
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4/28/2007  7:04 PM
I think overall the league is somewhat in a state of garbage. Aside from 8-10 teams, the rest of the league plays more for personal stats than a team game, and also lacks the fundamentals.

So when you talk about speed, athleticism and size, realize that sometimes it's coming at the loss of basketball fundamentals. Players overachieve early and then don't learn the basics. How can you truly win on an NBA level without those? More and more players enter the NBA as raw talents or prospects and take years to get the fundamentals, if ever. Worse you never know what you have UNTIL that player learns the fundamentals... or fails to. I'd say the league right now is a poor state and until the NBA comes out with a true minor league system, where teams have no risk of losing drafted players for a few years, and can develop them with no penalty... the trend of the NBA putting out a less than optimal product will continue to occur.

It's like reading a book vs. doing something and using a book as reference. In the first case, you forget most of it because you never use it. In the second case, you learn and learn much better because everything you read you put into practice right away. That's the difference. Young kids can't be left sitting on the bench at the NBA level, because they just don't get the fundamentals down once they're in the NBA.

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Posted by playa2:
Posted by BRIGGS:

One big guy with skills and 4 guys who can shoot pass drive rebound from all angles. Teams that figure it out first will prosper for years to come.

Nellie ball was before his time while in NY as the knicks coach.

Can anyone deny that the knicks would be in a much better position today if he would have stayed in NY with his son DON NELSON JR as his chief scout. He saw this type of ball being played today, many yrs ago

I dont suggest playing 5 6-5 guys--I mean playing Curry blackman with 3 guards coming in with lee and two more GF in unit 2 who all have mutli-dimensional skills and can shoot it. I still like the power game--but it can no longer be played for 40 minutes. Guys like Jefferies and Frye are dinasours.
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4/28/2007  7:44 PM
Its not about getting athletic. "skill players" mean guys that can do everything on the court. The NBA is changing to where everyone has to be able to move the ball and handle a little. Also shoot it.

Isiah has talked about getting guys that can play more than one position. Yeah that's the NBA is going. The knicks lost all their skill players to injury and the had bums like frye, and Jared filling in. Balkman is good but he is still can't fill in for guys on offense yet.

Isiah still can get the knicks better via trades and the draft.

The knicks lack enough skill in the front court. What happens if Lee and frye are hurt at the same time? What happens if frye and curry go down at the same time? The knicks have 5 dudes in the backcourt that can be effective starters any given night. Knicks need that same luxury in the front court.
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4/28/2007  10:56 PM
When putting a team together you really do want Skilled players at every position, but that's an optimal situation. I don't think Frye is so much a dinasour as he's just got to be USED PROPERLY. If you put him in the right situation he should be effective. He's kind of like Robert Horry. Horry isn't very agile and doesn't posses a well rounded game, but he's a good shooter and a guy that can help when put in the right situation. Frye's problems are in his head. He's a skilled enough player, but he has to know how he fits into a team and what his strengths are. You really do have to give him another chance to see if he can put things together. Jared is a guy that really should see fewer minutes on a modern team. Unless he can really improve his offense. I have more faith in Balkman improving and becoming a well rounded player than Jared.

I think this team is eventually going to settle in very well as a more traditional styled team. If we pick up a guy like Almond, we'll have a very nice sized backcourt when you have him and Collins out there. I don't think that the new Styled teams are in any way superior to a traditional team if it's well put together. Since I think we're much closer to puttting together a more traditional team, that's the way I think we should keep going.
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4/29/2007  10:02 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Its not about getting athletic. "skill players" mean guys that can do everything on the court. The NBA is changing to where everyone has to be able to move the ball and handle a little. Also shoot it.

Isiah has talked about getting guys that can play more than one position. Yeah that's the NBA is going. The knicks lost all their skill players to injury and the had bums like frye, and Jared filling in. Balkman is good but he is still can't fill in for guys on offense yet.

Isiah still can get the knicks better via trades and the draft.

The knicks lack enough skill in the front court. What happens if Lee and frye are hurt at the same time? What happens if frye and curry go down at the same time? The knicks have 5 dudes in the backcourt that can be effective starters any given night. Knicks need that same luxury in the front court.

That big PG from GT has surprisingly come out. Looks like someone got in his ear. But if we are talking skills athletiscm length speed--he automatically shoots to the top of our list right on par with Almond.
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4/29/2007  11:52 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Its not about getting athletic. "skill players" mean guys that can do everything on the court. The NBA is changing to where everyone has to be able to move the ball and handle a little. Also shoot it.

Isiah has talked about getting guys that can play more than one position. Yeah that's the NBA is going. The knicks lost all their skill players to injury and the had bums like frye, and Jared filling in. Balkman is good but he is still can't fill in for guys on offense yet.

Isiah still can get the knicks better via trades and the draft.

The knicks lack enough skill in the front court. What happens if Lee and frye are hurt at the same time? What happens if frye and curry go down at the same time? The knicks have 5 dudes in the backcourt that can be effective starters any given night. Knicks need that same luxury in the front court.

Sean Williams should be alot more consideration as the Knicks sole pick if they can't acquire another pick. Williams is lottery talent with attitude baggage. Frye is expendable with the arrival of Morris in my opinion. Williams has huge upside. He improved his post game (from the limited games I actually got to see him play). While I would want to get Almond to be the future 2 guard on this team and push Crawford towards the bench if the Knicks can't get that second pick, Williams is a need guy.
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4/29/2007  11:54 AM
Does anyone believe that Splitter will stay in this year draft? If he is there he could be someone that should be considered with this late pick as well. His buyout is still crazy though.
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4/29/2007  12:18 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by EnySpree:

Its not about getting athletic. "skill players" mean guys that can do everything on the court. The NBA is changing to where everyone has to be able to move the ball and handle a little. Also shoot it.

Isiah has talked about getting guys that can play more than one position. Yeah that's the NBA is going. The knicks lost all their skill players to injury and the had bums like frye, and Jared filling in. Balkman is good but he is still can't fill in for guys on offense yet.

Isiah still can get the knicks better via trades and the draft.

The knicks lack enough skill in the front court. What happens if Lee and frye are hurt at the same time? What happens if frye and curry go down at the same time? The knicks have 5 dudes in the backcourt that can be effective starters any given night. Knicks need that same luxury in the front court.

That big PG from GT has surprisingly come out. Looks like someone got in his ear. But if we are talking skills athletiscm length speed--he automatically shoots to the top of our list right on par with Almond.

Briggs, I don't expect Critteton to stay in the draft. I think he is testing it. I expect him to pull his name out. I think he and Hewitt are just trying to guage interest. Critteton has a very great chance of being a lotto pick if he stays at GT next year. If he stays in I would love to have him. Two guys I love in the draft with huge upsides is Young and Critteton. If both leave, then Isiah should look to bring in Paul Hewitt because he will be done at GT (too much).
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