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earthmansurfer
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4/27/2007  11:58 AM
He really seemed like he was improving, then he faltered a bit. Was then moved back to the bench and hasn't really ever recovered.
What gives?
Frye syndrome? Phil might still want to do a swap for Frye...

I like guy, just wondering what happened since I can't watch many games here in Germany.
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4/27/2007  12:01 PM
All the lakers except Kobe really look like they are scared.
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4/27/2007  12:04 PM
phil went on record during the season that he can't stand the kid's work "ethic." he complained that he wanted to bench him for kwame but kwame was (surprise) out hurt again.
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4/27/2007  12:09 PM
Posted by Marv:

phil went on record during the season that he can't stand the kid's work "ethic." he complained that he wanted to bench him for kwame but kwame was (surprise) out hurt again.

Then on the flipside Kareem said the kid is doing all the things asked of him and is working hard everyday. Phil is trying to push buttons because he knows he needs Bynum to be a force now in order to be a championship team. Bynum also had a little entitlement attitude going there for a while. So there's a little growing pain issue going on. But in all honesty shouldn't Kwame be a better player than Bynum?
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4/27/2007  12:14 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

He really seemed like he was improving, then he faltered a bit. Was then moved back to the bench and hasn't really ever recovered.
What gives?
Frye syndrome? Phil might still want to do a swap for Frye...

I like guy, just wondering what happened since I can't watch many games here in Germany.

I think it may have to do with a 19 year old person who does not have his mature base strength being worn down by playing a good deal of minutes over 100 games. He has been very good this season if you go year to year. I've watched a lot of Laker games and he's been very very good all year sans a few here and there--I dont know what else you could expect out of him at this point.
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4/27/2007  12:17 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:

phil went on record during the season that he can't stand the kid's work "ethic." he complained that he wanted to bench him for kwame but kwame was (surprise) out hurt again.

Then on the flipside Kareem said the kid is doing all the things asked of him and is working hard everyday. Phil is trying to push buttons because he knows he needs Bynum to be a force now in order to be a championship team. Bynum also had a little entitlement attitude going there for a while. So there's a little growing pain issue going on. But in all honesty shouldn't Kwame be a better player than Bynum?

no. kwame is a bust. flat-out.

but if it's true that phil's saying these things to get inside bynum's head and push him, then he could still be on track with his development and just needs some zen master button-pushing to get there.
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4/27/2007  12:25 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:

phil went on record during the season that he can't stand the kid's work "ethic." he complained that he wanted to bench him for kwame but kwame was (surprise) out hurt again.

Then on the flipside Kareem said the kid is doing all the things asked of him and is working hard everyday. Phil is trying to push buttons because he knows he needs Bynum to be a force now in order to be a championship team. Bynum also had a little entitlement attitude going there for a while. So there's a little growing pain issue going on. But in all honesty shouldn't Kwame be a better player than Bynum?

no. kwame is a bust. flat-out.

but if it's true that phil's saying these things to get inside bynum's head and push him, then he could still be on track with his development and just needs some zen master button-pushing to get there.



I'm speaking in terms of yrs in the league
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4/27/2007  12:38 PM
he is the youngest player in the nba, has to deal with phil and kobe, his game has shown signs, all mental out there.....

However i heard his head has a tendancy to wonder, but that said i would still rather have him over channning any day of the week
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4/27/2007  1:12 PM
I'm pretty sure like every center under the age of 27 and especially those under 20, he needs to develop.
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4/27/2007  1:35 PM
Stop, Bip. It's okay to say that Y Curry at 24 is still improving, but Andrew Bynum at 19 is clearly done.

On a more serious note, I actually thought Bynum made good progress this year. You have to remember that Bynum is still young and his issues hit more when the Lakers had a lot of injuries and more pressure was placed on him to perform. The kid will be fine, IMHO. He's fundamentally sound. I would still trade Y Curry and a lottery protected first rounder for Bynum any day (the salaries don't match, obviously).
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4/27/2007  2:35 PM
Honestly to me any contribution the guy gives is a bonus. He will be at least 22, 23, 24 and 25 before we can start evaluating his career. But work ethic is something to pay attention to. If he's working hard now that will probably result in positive results. if he's not working hard now, he will be criticized when he is 24 and 25 and still not rebounding or playing defense.
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4/27/2007  2:50 PM
All I know is that he passes, rotates, defends, blocks shots and possesses a variety of moves around the basket, he is still learning. And you can't judge a high school player until his 5th year in the league to be fair from a development standpoint. You can however look at Curry and see that things like rebounding and blks should be there right away

Eddy doesn't really possess those attributes, he has a jump hook and thats it and is just bigger than everyone.
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4/27/2007  2:56 PM
what bynum needs to do is grow up and mature mentally.

but i would like to point out that this is not like a 19 year old chandler/curry situation starting and getting 25 mins a night on a 23 win team. the lakers are trying to win games in a potent conference. different set of circumstances all together. they may be able to live with some growing pains by bynum but not alot. so there will be a quicker hook on him on the lakers than if he played for memphis.
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4/27/2007  3:03 PM
dj: No excuses need to be made for a 19 year old. This is a wasted topic in my view. It's like criticizing Balkman in preseason when 90% of the board had never seen him play. Give it time.
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4/27/2007  5:54 PM
what people could be missing about the development of a man-child in the promised land is the potential damage to self-confidence added to the combined weight of expectations with a franchise expecting to win now.

Bynum has noticeable size and skills to be certain, but his uneven development curve, and uneven minutes, is not a good sign. Whether his "work ethic" is to be questioned that is for Phil to ultimately deceide.

Going from high school to the pros, and expected to deliver in a playoff situation, is not the best environment to mature gracefully... or avoid burnout by the age of 28 - starting his tenth professional season

I would offer there have been many more high school "incompletes" and failures than success stories in the NBA.
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4/27/2007  6:51 PM
The Lakers were rumored in alot of potential trades including one for Jason Kidd. Bynum was always the guy he wouldn't give up. Phil Jackson has been blessed to coach some of the most driven, talented, and mentally tough players on the planet. I am sure he does not have alot of patience for a 19 year old who never went to college. However, the organization is smart enough to know what they may have. They would never trade him for Frye. The only place I could see him going is to Minny for Garnett.
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4/29/2007  6:44 PM
Apparently, if it were up to PJax Bynum would have been traded. However it's Buss the owner, who pushed for drafting Bynum and who isn't signing off on any trade regarding Bynum.

Who knows, perhaps this playoff series has changed his opinion a bit.
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4/29/2007  9:28 PM
Bynum is that young dude that can play but is overwhelmed when guys are bumping and pushing him. He might feel weak or overmatched. He's a kid. Gus skin will grow thinker and he will be the one doing the hurting in the future. At least that's what we hope. You always root for these young guys especially when they have shown to be good kids.

Kwame is a waste cuz when you look at him he looks like he could average 20 and 12 easy. He is a idiot and soft as a pillow. Kid should be dominating the league. He appears silly to me. Like a silly 12 year old. He still has time to prove he's a man, but the chances of him every making that stride is slim.

At least curry knows what he needs to do to get better. He has said it out gus own mouth. He has been in the league a long time now but in 2 seasons of being a knick his whole career has changed for the better. He wants to be great. That's all we can ask. Hopefully next season curry takes another big step in the right direction.
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4/29/2007  9:40 PM
With Bynum you have further example that just being in the pros isn't going to grow a young mans game any faster. The maturity part is one of the things that tends to get overlooked. at 18-21 guys are still trying to mature and figure things out. Bynum needs time and really good mentoring. I think the Lakers are providing a good support system for him, but what he becomes will be a result of who he really is as a man inside and we can't know that from looking at his face and great physical gifts.
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4/29/2007  11:45 PM
Avery looks like he wants to beat Terry's ass for that turnover.
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