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TrueBlue
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4/27/2007  11:13 AM
How much did injuries play into this result?


I had to create a thread for this because I want to see the Lovers adaquately explain this.


If we play the .500 basketball or a little better against our division foes that we proved to be for a good portion of the season according to the unamed, then we probably make the playoffs.


This is officially where the season was lost. And not only did we have an ATROCIOUS division record, 30-40% of the losses we got blown to SMITHEREENS.


Here's another staggering stat to munch on. Lottery Teams our record against them was

Griz 2-0
Celts 1-3
Bucks 3-1
Hawks 2-1
Sonics 1-1
Blazers 1-1
Wolves 0-2
Kings 1-1
Bobcats 2-2
Pacers 1-2
Sixers 1-3
Hornets 0-2

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A win is a win but we had to have miracle finishes and/or favorable calls to beat Memphis, Bobcats 2, Pacers, Atl, Bucks 2. We easily could have been 8-26 against lottery teams.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-27-2007 1:55 PM]
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4/27/2007  11:18 AM
Bucks (Played without Redd, Bogut, Villeneuva) miracle eddy curry three
Grizz (Without Gasol)
Sonics (without Lewis)
Hawkes (without joe johnson twice, without childress)

So you can make the case the knicks get very lucky in about 7-10 games this season that produced wins
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4/27/2007  11:27 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

How much did injuries play into this result?


I had to create a thread for this because I want to see the Lovers adaquately explain this.


If we play the .500 basketball or a little better against our division foes that we proved to be for a good portion of the season according the unamed, then we probably make the playoffs.


This is officially where the season was lost. And not only did we have an ATROCIOUS division record, 30-40% of the losses we got blown to SMITHEREENS.


Here's another staggering stat to munch on. Lottery Teams our record against them was

Griz 2-0
Celts 1-3
Bucks 3-1
Hawks 2-1
Sonics 1-1
Blazers 1-1
Wolves 0-2
Kings 1-1
Bobcats 2-2
Pacers 1-2
Sixers 1-3
Hornets 0-2

15-19



A win is a win but we had to have miracle finishes and/or favorable calls to beat Memphis, Bobcats 2, Pacers, Atl, Bucks 2. We easily could have been 8-26 against lottery teams.

So you are saying that we are a .500 team against the better teams in the league and we only need to mature and learn to beat the teams that we should beat and we will be above .500.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-27-2007 11:27 AM]
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4/27/2007  11:33 AM
You mean we played bad against bad teams?!?!?

No way!

That's been a complaint all season, we play down to the level of our opponents. With the exception of our hustle guys, everyone falls asleep against the lower tier teams.
Yes, this team has shown hustle in the majority of games, but not until they're down double digits.
If this team is going to adopt this "us against the world" attitude, they damn well better prove something from buzzer to buzzer.
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4/27/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TrueBlue:

How much did injuries play into this result?


I had to create a thread for this because I want to see the Lovers adaquately explain this.


If we play the .500 basketball or a little better against our division foes that we proved to be for a good portion of the season according the unamed, then we probably make the playoffs.


This is officially where the season was lost. And not only did we have an ATROCIOUS division record, 30-40% of the losses we got blown to SMITHEREENS.


Here's another staggering stat to munch on. Lottery Teams our record against them was

Griz 2-0
Celts 1-3
Bucks 3-1
Hawks 2-1
Sonics 1-1
Blazers 1-1
Wolves 0-2
Kings 1-1
Bobcats 2-2
Pacers 1-2
Sixers 1-3
Hornets 0-2

15-19



A win is a win but we had to have miracle finishes and/or favorable calls to beat Memphis, Bobcats 2, Pacers, Atl, Bucks 2. We easily could have been 8-26 against lottery teams.

So you are saying that we are a .500 team against the better teams in the league and we only need to mature and learn to beat the teams that we should beat and we will be above .500.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-27-2007 11:27 AM]

Haha, there ya go man! Needed someone to keep me positive this offseason.
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4/27/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TrueBlue:

How much did injuries play into this result?


I had to create a thread for this because I want to see the Lovers adaquately explain this.


If we play the .500 basketball or a little better against our division foes that we proved to be for a good portion of the season according the unamed, then we probably make the playoffs.


This is officially where the season was lost. And not only did we have an ATROCIOUS division record, 30-40% of the losses we got blown to SMITHEREENS.


Here's another staggering stat to munch on. Lottery Teams our record against them was

Griz 2-0
Celts 1-3
Bucks 3-1
Hawks 2-1
Sonics 1-1
Blazers 1-1
Wolves 0-2
Kings 1-1
Bobcats 2-2
Pacers 1-2
Sixers 1-3
Hornets 0-2

15-19



A win is a win but we had to have miracle finishes and/or favorable calls to beat Memphis, Bobcats 2, Pacers, Atl, Bucks 2. We easily could have been 8-26 against lottery teams.

So you are saying that we are a .500 team against the better teams in the league and we only need to mature and learn to beat the teams that we should beat and we will be above .500.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-27-2007 11:27 AM]



LOL nice try it means we were 18-30 against the rest of the league and shows how ridiculously close we became to being the worst team in the NBA yet again. Leave it up to some on this board to try and turn an absolute negative into a positive, which made the negative look even more negative.
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4/27/2007  1:38 PM
Posted by TheGame:

So you are saying that we are a .500 team against the better teams in the league and we only need to mature and learn to beat the teams that we should beat and we will be above .500.

LOL! That spin was done with the precision of an artist!!

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4/27/2007  2:27 PM
we were one of the worst teams in the league
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4/27/2007  2:42 PM
Posted by MS:

we were one of the worst teams in the league
That's what cracks me up about all this. We keep saying that we played down to our competition. But it's entirely possible that a lot of the good teams actually played down to us.
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4/27/2007  2:47 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by MS:

we were one of the worst teams in the league
That's what cracks me up about all this. We keep saying that we played down to our competition. But it's entirely possible that a lot of the good teams actually played down to us.

Well maybe we'll get some confirmation from posters like Luva, Queenie, Earle, bigbeast, etc etc
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4/27/2007  2:53 PM
garbajosa is toronto's starting sf.
bargnani is their 6th man. another integral part that was scoring 14ppg after january.

that's 2 big men. they were replaced by 2nd year player joey graham and journeyman young'n kris humphries.

bargnani got hurt (appendectomy) after the game in ny.
garbajosa got hurt (broken ankle) after the game in boston.

they played 11 games without them. in those 11 games, they went 9-2 during those 11 games. not 6-5. not 5-6. but 9-2.

we can not use injuries as an excuse. every team deals with them.

the team needs to be real with itself...but more importantly, so should isiah. but it seems like he's fixated on the injuries.

that's not healthy for your gm/coach/pres etc. to take such a hardline in thinking. the hope is that it's all BS PR spin and he really knows what this team is about. but his actions will speak much louder than his words this summer.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-27-2007 2:53 PM]
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Posted by djsunyc:

garbajosa is toronto's starting sf.
bargnani is their 6th man. another integral part that was scoring 14ppg after january.

that's 2 big men. they were replaced by 2nd year player joey graham and journeyman young'n kris humphries.

bargnani got hurt (appendectomy) after the game in ny.
garbajosa got hurt (broken ankle) after the game in boston.

they played 11 games without them. in those 11 games, they went 9-2 during those 11 games. not 6-5. not 5-6. but 9-2.

we can not use injuries as an excuse. every team deals with them.

the team needs to be real with itself...but more importantly, so should isiah. but it seems like he's fixated on the injuries.

that's not healthy for your gm/coach/pres etc. to take such a hardline in thinking. the hope is that it's all BS PR spin and he really knows what this team is about. but his actions will speak much louder than his words this summer.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-27-2007 2:53 PM]

It's entirely healthy for Isiah to do this, IF the team does not suffer injuries next year. Then the team has no excuse. Also the team can use that as a rallying cry. The problem comes when we hit that inevitable stretch of injuries next year. What happens if marbs goes down while Q is out. Or Curry suffers an injury. Using injuries as an excuse now allows the players to use it as an excuse in the future. Acknowledge it but move on. The fact that this is a major theme for Isiah is a recipe for disaster.

And before the lovers attack my post remember what I said about allowing our team to quit last year because of Larry Brown. We quit an entire season and as I predicted it took almost a month for us to even start to get that out of our system. A month that might have cost us the playoffs. You don't want the injury excuse to crop up again next year or your team will be in the exact same position again. Time to teach our team that they are good enough to win no matter who is on the court. Or else, why bother?
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4/27/2007  3:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

garbajosa is toronto's starting sf.
bargnani is their 6th man. another integral part that was scoring 14ppg after january.

that's 2 big men. they were replaced by 2nd year player joey graham and journeyman young'n kris humphries.

bargnani got hurt (appendectomy) after the game in ny.
garbajosa got hurt (broken ankle) after the game in boston.

they played 11 games without them. in those 11 games, they went 9-2 during those 11 games. not 6-5. not 5-6. but 9-2.

we can not use injuries as an excuse. every team deals with them.

the team needs to be real with itself...but more importantly, so should isiah. but it seems like he's fixated on the injuries.

that's not healthy for your gm/coach/pres etc. to take such a hardline in thinking. the hope is that it's all BS PR spin and he really knows what this team is about. but his actions will speak much louder than his words this summer.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-27-2007 2:53 PM]



The sad part about this you could apply this to about 5-6 other teams dj.

We played 16 Divisional games, 50% of them with a healthy roster. We were 3-5 with a healthy roster against them, at least we're consistent being below .500 while healthy. Which at the time some of those team were not healthy or amidst trade transition when we played them. When we were hit with injuries we finished 1-8, our lone victory post injuries, was against a healthy Toronto squad. So in essence we should have been able to at least win a couple more games post injuries against the other Divisional foes because we proved we could beat a healthy squad(playoff team at that) with injuries. It also suggest Pre injuries our record should have reflected a 6-2 or so record instead of the inept 3-5 record. Realistically we should have been 9-7, 10-6, or even 11-5, which still would have put us just short or barely making the playoffs only to get mopped, embarrassed, off the floor by Det. Heck Boston had a 7-9 Division record amidst their injury riddled season which was the second worst in the Division.
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4/30/2007  6:13 PM
I'm still waiting for Nixluva to show up in this thread or any other apologetic fan for that matter.
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4/30/2007  7:20 PM
Lossing somany division games shows the knciks lack of leadership. Even bad teams find a way to beat teams they meet 4 times a year more then 3 times. Focus & energy get most teams threw division games and our leader pointguard is the coach on the bench, so the knicks never got either.

Pior to the injuires the knicks were still a losing team in the division and to below .500 teams. BUt they were 2-3 games within .500 against the western confernce/ above .500 teams and the other two divison in the East. Which to me is another sign of zero leadership. I'll say this til the cows come home, Marbury as this teams Point guard and Learder is killing the knicks. I don't care how much he smiles or plays ok D, we win inspite of his horrible traits.

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4/30/2007  9:53 PM
What were they saying about the loss of our top players.
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You guys are still at it huh? I was out playing some Ball, but you don't have to worry about me ever commenting in a thread here. This team did a horrible job this year with the teams in our own div. NO one was happy about that nor overlooking that. Despite the many horrible losses we had, this team still had a chance over the last 20 games to get to .500 and make the playoffs. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE INJURIES WERE NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, but a MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM NOT winning more of it's games at the end of the year.

Let's try this. At the start of the year, NO ONE was saying that this team was a great team and the hopes were for a .500 season or slightly better. The caveat was that things had to break right for that to happen. Over the course of the season this team actually did start to play at the level of a .500 team. In order for the ACTUAL RECORD to reflect that for the season, we needed to finish strong. I clearly stated at the start of the year that I expected this team to start off slowly and get better as the year went along. It turns out that they did actual do that, even if it wasn't in a spectacular way. They DID gradually improve each month. Now at no point did I ever expect that we'd have so many injuries to end the season. My prediction depended on this team being strong and finishing strong. Not being depleted by injury. Show me the team that had a shot at the playoffs that had 3-4 key players injured over the last 20 games? Some injuries yes, but not like we had and this wasn't a great team to begin with and no one claims that it was. I saw this season as a starting point for this team. Not the end of the matter, but the beginning. It was never just about this year, so I fail to see what the big deal is. This team was going to be years away from title contention no matter what we did this year. So many of you taking joy in bashing the team seem to keep forgetting this.
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Posted by nixluva:

You guys are still at it huh? I was out playing some Ball, but you don't have to worry about me ever commenting in a thread here. This team did a horrible job this year with the teams in our own div. NO one was happy about that nor overlooking that. Despite the many horrible losses we had, this team still had a chance over the last 20 games to get to .500 and make the playoffs. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE INJURIES WERE NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, but a MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM NOT winning more of it's games at the end of the year.

You're still at it huh? This team was hovering around .500 during a ridiculous stretch where they played 27 out of 35 games against teams that were under .500 at the time. Over the last 20 games their schedule balanced out with as many under .500 as above. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE SCHEDULE WAS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, BUT A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM PLAYING .500 BALL DURING THAT STRETCH AND WITH A MORE DIFFICULT SCHEDULE THIS TEAM WAS NOT WINNING MOST OF THEIR LAST 20 GAMES. And that's why they weren't going to make the playoffs. Not because of this BS about injuries.
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