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Do you want the Bulls to win the draft lottery?
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TemujinKnick
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4/21/2007  7:50 PM
Hell no.
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codeunknown
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4/21/2007  8:27 PM
What do we get, besides further humilation, if they get Oden?
Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
TemujinKnick
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4/21/2007  9:25 PM
I think some Knicks fans see further humiliation as the only way to teach this team a lesson. But please, don't root for Knick fans to suffer more just because Dolan failed kindergarten!
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4/21/2007  10:41 PM
Posted by TemujinKnick:

I think some Knicks fans see further humiliation as the only way to teach this team a lesson. But please, don't root for Knick fans to suffer more just because Dolan failed kindergarten!

Then how can they be knick fans? Seriously, Dolan is here to stay, so is Isaih. The season is over, all we have to look forward to is next year. It's silly, if you don't like the direction the team is moving in and all you say is negative stuff, not objective then you are not a fan of this team. A fan rides with their team win, lose, or draw. The team gambled with this trade and now you hope the lottery works in our favor. Cheering for the bulls to get Oden tells me that they must be Bulls fans and not Knicks fan.


I use the word 'you' in the general sense meaning anyone that fits the bill.

[Edited by - Michael6835 on 04-21-2007 10:42 PM]
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4/21/2007  11:35 PM
I voted no because I'm resigned to the Knicks being a sideshow circus to fill a gap between football and hockey. Just like the Arena Football. He hate me!!!
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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4/22/2007  3:00 AM
Let me ask you Bonn, why the hell would any of us do that?

Chicago boy Thomas practically handed a possible solid future to them, they're now knocking on the door in the East and the other Chicago boy, Curry, whom the first chicago boy brought here, so far isn't exactly impressing me for a moment. We are being handed our asses by chicago. And on top of that, the humilliation that we all went through, with bald headed creep and company, going through us three times for NBA championships, why in the world would any of us want to even fantasize about that?

Do some of you even understand what your scruples are as a fan of the New York Knicks? Have we lowered so low, that the definition of 'low' no longer applies to us? I mean is there just nothing else to talk about here or am I just over reacting?
I'll never trust this' team again.
Bonn1997
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4/22/2007  7:05 AM
I'm rooting for anything that helps clue the Knicks' fans in on how awful an organization this is so that they stop spending their money on the team and Dolan actually changes course.
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4/22/2007  10:01 AM
Okay I know this is very anti-Knick fan but Im hoping for the Bulls to get a top 7 pick. Than if the Knicks start off with an atrocious record Isiah might finally run out of excuses.
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4/22/2007  11:11 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm rooting for anything that helps clue the Knicks' fans in on how awful an organization this is so that they stop spending their money on the team and Dolan actually changes course.

23 wins last yr and 33 wins and no playoffs this yr is more than enough of a clue at how bad this organization is right now. Regardless of how much somefans may come off a little too optimistic for your tatse, I don't think any of them have blinders on.

Besides, what does fans getting clue have to do with Dolan spending his money or this organization changing course? Dolan heard the boos this yr, heard the fire Isiah chants and still offered Isiah an extension. By Isiah not protecting last yrs pick and by him foolishly giving away this yrs pick without any protection aswell, I think those two blunders alone, along with the JJ bros, etc. are more than a few lessons learned. There is no need to add further humiliation by seeing Oden wearing a Bulls uniform.
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4/22/2007  11:25 AM
Now this is the ultimate in STUPIDITY!!! Why does that make any sense whatsoever? I HATE the Bulls and I would NEVER wish them any good fortune. I still don't think they're gonna beat the Heat and I was pulling for a Heat win yesterday. If Isiah and Dolan do dumb things, why should that make me want to see MY TEAM get further embarrassed? That's just crazy talk. I was happy when we won that last game and I was even happier that we moved down to 9th. I'm happy when I read that Tyrus has some attitude problems and I hope he never develops a jumper while he's on the Bulls.

As for the team, I see no reason to be as down on the team's future as some of us seem to be. You would think that we have no talent and no players we can get behind and root for. That's not the case. We have some good young players. Maybe they aren't all perfect but they aren't terrible either. I think we will see this team get better and better, but you can't give up on the team like this and root for good things to happen to the Bulls. They don't need anymore help from us.
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4/22/2007  12:21 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Okay I know this is very anti-Knick fan but Im hoping for the Bulls to get a top 7 pick. Than if the Knicks start off with an atrocious record Isiah might finally run out of excuses.

Mathemetically I believe it works out that the Bulls are either picking in the 1-3 range or the 9-12 range. There is ZERO% chance they will be picking 4th 5th 6th 7th or 8th.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/22/2007  12:23 PM
Other than Bonn, who voted YES?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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Posted by nixluva:

Now this is the ultimate in STUPIDITY!!! Why does that make any sense whatsoever? I HATE the Bulls and I would NEVER wish them any good fortune. I still don't think they're gonna beat the Heat and I was pulling for a Heat win yesterday. If Isiah and Dolan do dumb things, why should that make me want to see MY TEAM get further embarrassed? That's just crazy talk. I was happy when we won that last game and I was even happier that we moved down to 9th. I'm happy when I read that Tyrus has some attitude problems and I hope he never develops a jumper while he's on the Bulls.

As for the team, I see no reason to be as down on the team's future as some of us seem to be. You would think that we have no talent and no players we can get behind and root for. That's not the case. We have some good young players. Maybe they aren't all perfect but they aren't terrible either. I think we will see this team get better and better, but you can't give up on the team like this and root for good things to happen to the Bulls. They don't need anymore help from us.

You may not wish the Bulls any good fortune but apparently Isiah does. The Knicks organization right now you almost have to deal with them the same way you would deal with an alcoholic: they need to hit rock bottom. I mean hit rock bottom with no Larry Brown excuses and no injuries excuses. The longer the Knicks flirt with 9th 10th seeds the longer we will continue to reside in mediocrity. But with the Bulls being able to get a major pick there is absolutely no excuse for that Isiah can spin it all he wants but even a complete moron like Dolan should be able to see through it. Maybe im being to generous in thinking that Dolan could grasp such a simple concept but right now thats the only hope im going on.
Mathemetically I believe it works out that the Bulls are either picking in the 1-3 range or the 9-12 range. There is ZERO% chance they will be picking 4th 5th 6th 7th or 8th.

Well thank you for the matemetical break down.
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4/22/2007  12:40 PM
Root for the Bulls I can't even get myself to root for the Bulls vs. Miami and I hate Miami, I hate the Bulls more. I root for the blue and orange and if you are a real fan you would never root for any type of failure for the Knicks. For some reason people want furture failure for the Knicks why would anyone want this unless your are totally sadistic or plain and simple not a fan of the team.
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Posted by Vmart:

I root for the blue and orange and if you are a real fan you would never root for any type of failure for the Knicks. For some reason people want furture failure for the Knicks why would anyone want this unless your are totally sadistic or plain and simple not a fan of the team.

Impressive I didn't think Knick fans and idealism were synonymous anymore. And actually you have to be a masochist to be a Knick fan these days.

masochist - someone who obtains pleasure from receiving punishment. Could this be anymore appropriate to describe Knick fans?
Bonn1997
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4/22/2007  1:55 PM
Besides, what does fans getting clue have to do with Dolan spending his money or this organization changing course? Dolan heard the boos this yr, heard the fire Isiah chants and still offered Isiah an extension.
Booing is irrelevant (or maybe a first step). I'm hoping the group of fans who won't spend money on the Knicks grows.
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4/22/2007  2:22 PM
Posted by kam77:

Other than Bonn, who voted YES?

I voted yes, since by my estimation, Isiah has at least four more years, and Dolan has already proven that performance has nothing to do with it. If we assume that Isiah has four more years, and that it will take six years to fix whatever mess Isiah leaves and completely turn the team around, then we're talking about 10 years into the future. At that point, Greg Oden or Kevin Durant will be on the downside of their careers, so whether the Bulls get him or not is really irrelevant to this organization.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by kam77:

Other than Bonn, who voted YES?

I voted yes, since by my estimation, Isiah has at least four more years, and Dolan has already proven that performance has nothing to do with it. If we assume that Isiah has four more years, and that it will take six years to fix whatever mess Isiah leaves and completely turn the team around, then we're talking about 10 years into the future. At that point, Greg Oden or Kevin Durant will be on the downside of their careers, so whether the Bulls get him or not is really irrelevant to this organization.

NOW THAT'S CRAZY! What are you talking about? You are automatically assuming 10 years of failure for the team? Even enemies of the Knicks don't think this team is gonna be bad in coming seasons. Before things went bad this team reached a level of play that would put them around .500, but I don't expect this team to stand still and not improve. Just like Curry and Lee improved. Like Balkman and Collins improved during the season, I expect the young players on this team to get better. That and the continuity of having the same group and coach for more than a year will help this team to improve from within. Then you just never know how Isiah will be able to add to this roster and what effect that will have. If he can get the shooter/defender we need on the perimeter that alone will help a lot. The Bulls may be having all the fun and success right now but I don't think we destined to remain at the bottom. Why can't we also continue to improve like they did from year to year?
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4/22/2007  3:32 PM
Even enemies of the Knicks don't think this team is gonna be bad in coming seasons.
Where'd you get that from?
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4/22/2007  8:45 PM
Posted by nixluva:

NOW THAT'S CRAZY!

It was partly in jest. I emphasize partly, though.
Posted by nixluva:

Why can't we also continue to improve like they did from year to year?

Well, the big difference between the Bulls and Knicks is that the Bulls drafted GOOD players with high lottery picks repeatedly and got far enough under the cap to sign a major free agent. They also focused on building a team. Isiah drafted a group of athletes and hoped something clicked by putting together a mish-mosh of players. There's some success on individual basis', yes, but there's no team.

I have no problem if Greg Oden goes to the Bulls (or Celtics or whoever). It doesn't matter what team he goes to. What matters is that he's not going to us. I have no problem if Kevin Durant goes to the Bulls (or Celtics or whoever). What matters is that he isn't going to be a Knick. This is due to Isiah's incompetence... and while all the teams we've majorly assisted (Phoenix, Chicago, Orlando, Toronto, Utah by-proxy, etc...) all become NBA powers, we'll be gloating over our 8th seeds. If we're not a contender, it doesn't really matter what team Oden or Durant go to. I firmly believe we're not a contender for a very long time, so I don't care which team is... because it isn't us. Period.

[Edited by - Solace on Apr 22 2007 8:47 PM]
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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