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4/19/2007  4:09 PM
Unless Indiana really loves Channing Frye that much:) that they would be willing to take him in a package for jermaine oneal where we dont give up 3-4 young guys--i would rather acquire another pick in the draft--bring in two more youngins that can play now--i.e Almond and Williams and maybe a PG for depth who can also shoot--maybe a salim stoudemire? and continue with what we have. Remember the Suns average age was 24 two years ago when they won 60. Were older than that now--we just need to bring in a draft like we had this year--have those guys improve from within and realize that we do need an interior deterant for the D. I think going off the path for a trade will bite us.
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There's a course? The ship is sinking... IMHO, today I feel worse about the team than I did at this point last year. Pretty scary, huh?
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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4/19/2007  5:35 PM
Posted by Solace:

There's a course? The ship is sinking... IMHO, today I feel worse about the team than I did at this point last year. Pretty scary, huh?

How ? We won't have the hightest payroll, and we were 10 wins better. I know its still VERY lame, but I don't think anyone should feel worse.
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Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by Solace:

There's a course? The ship is sinking... IMHO, today I feel worse about the team than I did at this point last year. Pretty scary, huh?

How ? We won't have the hightest payroll, and we were 10 wins better. I know its still VERY lame, but I don't think anyone should feel worse.

Look at the fans that are pretty satisfied with 33 wins. Isiah got a four year extension for being worse than most of the coaches he fired. Since Isiah's been here, we're still striving to be as good as before he made a move. That's really bad. In addition, Eddy Curry now thinks he's a superstar who got snubbed for the All-Star game, while Channing Frye, Jared Jeffries, Nate Robinson, Steve Francis, have never had lower trade values. Then, the one guy who looked like he might give a reason to hope, David Lee, was brought back TWICE when he wasn't ready, which just kills any faith in our medical staff. Really tough and horrid season.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by Solace:

There's a course? The ship is sinking... IMHO, today I feel worse about the team than I did at this point last year. Pretty scary, huh?

How ? We won't have the hightest payroll, and we were 10 wins better. I know its still VERY lame, but I don't think anyone should feel worse.

Look at the fans that are pretty satisfied with 33 wins. Isiah got a four year extension for being worse than most of the coaches he fired. Since Isiah's been here, we're still striving to be as good as before he made a move. That's really bad. In addition, Eddy Curry now thinks he's a superstar who got snubbed for the All-Star game, while Channing Frye, Jared Jeffries, Nate Robinson, Steve Francis, have never had lower trade values. Then, the one guy who looked like he might give a reason to hope, David Lee, was brought back TWICE when he wasn't ready, which just kills any faith in our medical staff. Really tough and horrid season.

A bit doomsday, but I find it hard to disagree with the sentiment. I think this team as currently consituted tops out at around 40 wins. I dont see much room for growth with the roster. Its imperative that he makes some sort of move to re-adjust the look of the Knicks and shore up the deficiences. Zeke needs a strong offseason to justify his extention and keep the wolves at bay. I dont know how longer Zeke can withstand another mediocre season. NY will make that seat HOT!

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A bit doomsday, but I find it hard to disagree with the sentiment. I think this team as currently consituted tops out at around 40 wins. I dont see much room for growth with the roster. Its imperative that he makes some sort of move to re-adjust the look of the Knicks and shore up the deficiences. Zeke needs a strong offseason to justify his extention and keep the wolves at bay. I dont know how longer Zeke can withstand another mediocre season. NY will make that seat HOT!

I'm not certain that I want Isiah making any moves. I suggested one move and I'm not even sure the other team would bite. I don't think we need to add guys. I think we need to consolidate the roster. I don't think we need to bring in more talent. I think we have to make room for the talent that is already here to grow. Get rid of the redundancies. Those are the only moves I'd support. No more "this guy is the missing piece" type rationales for our moves.

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4/19/2007  7:33 PM
>>Eddy Curry now thinks he's a superstar who got snubbed for the All-Star game...

Solace, that is a flat out lie and you know it.

Curry is averaging 19.5 per game - higher than his 16.2 average in his pinnacle year in Chicago in 2004-2005 that was cut short in March by an irregular heartbeat episode.

"I'm going to feel a lot better going into the summer, knowing what they expect from me," Curry said. "I know how to improve myself and be a better asset to this team."

Does that sound like the tone of a self-satisfied player to you?

I could be mistaken but, THAT sounds like a player who will dedicate himself to getting even better. There is already talk of Chicago being the informal off-season workout location as Quentin has rolled out the welcome mat to his teammates.

c'mon...


[Edited by - misterearl on 04-19-2007 7:40 PM]
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4/19/2007  7:40 PM
i think next season really should be isiah's ultimatum year. he survived this season and had injuries to fall back on. but i think the team HAS to make the playoffs next year. and if they don't, isiah should get relieved of his duties.
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4/19/2007  7:42 PM


if the Knicks don't make the playoffs, who are you looking to bring in as coach?
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Posted by misterearl:



if the Knicks don't make the playoffs, who are you looking to bring in as coach?

the more important thing is not the coach but the gm. if you have a rock solid gm, then he will pick the right coach.

but in back to back years, we didn't make any attempts at colangelo or west.

in ny, fans would've been chanting fire mitchell (as they did in toronto) but colangelo didn't fire him. some guys have the touch of gold. he's one of them.

sometimes, it doesn't have to be as difficult a transition as it's been here.
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4/19/2007  7:52 PM
The New York situation is akin to the Oakland Raiders in football. Even though you have a guy on the sidelines, you gotta KNOW Al Davis is always lurking in the shadows of each and every decision.

I dont think you can have a better situation than Isiah because I get the sense he is not afraid to speak up and stand up to Dolan. That type of respect is a difficult thing to achieve with an overbearing owner.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Isiah is the only best man for the job, but in your criteria for the next GM... you better account for answering to the Dolan family.

Hey, did i mention that $80M comes off the salary cap next season?
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4/19/2007  7:57 PM
Posted by misterearl:

The New York situation is akin to the Oakland Raiders in football. Even though you have a guy on the sidelines, you gotta KNOW Al Davis is always lurking in the shadows of each and every decision.

I dont think you can have a better situation than Isiah because I get the sense he is not afraid to speak up and stand up to Dolan. That type of respect is a difficult thing to achieve with an overbearing owner.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Isiah is the only best man for the job, but in your criteria for the next GM... you better account for answering to the Dolan family.

Hey, did i mention that $80M comes off the salary cap next season?

What is it that gives you the sense that Isiah is not afraid to speak up and stand up to Dolan?

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4/19/2007  8:04 PM
basketballJones - The fact that Isiah survived the failed military coup attempt of Larry Brown tells me that he has the respect of Dolan.

Second, the discussion over bringing in much younger ballplayers than the Knicks have EVER had on the roster at the same time tells me that a shift in strategy has taken hold. Isiah had to forward that strategy.

The Knicks core consists of seven players who are under 28. To earn that patience in New York, land of the $1000 courtside seat, is no small feat.

but hey, that's just me
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Posted by misterearl:



if the Knicks don't make the playoffs, who are you looking to bring in as coach?

Butch Beard, Marc Ivaroni, Alex English

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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Posted by misterearl:

The New York situation is akin to the Oakland Raiders in football. Even though you have a guy on the sidelines, you gotta KNOW Al Davis is always lurking in the shadows of each and every decision.

I dont think you can have a better situation than Isiah because I get the sense he is not afraid to speak up and stand up to Dolan. That type of respect is a difficult thing to achieve with an overbearing owner.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Isiah is the only best man for the job, but in your criteria for the next GM... you better account for answering to the Dolan family.

Isiah has dolan hoodwinked bamboozled, Dolan shows no power he gives it to Isiah on a leash.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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4/19/2007  8:36 PM
playa - I don't think the person who signs the checks is without power

with that said, Butch Beard got a raw deal in New Jersey
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4/19/2007  9:02 PM
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There's a course? The ship is sinking... IMHO, today I feel worse about the team than I did at this point last year. Pretty scary, huh?

How ? We won't have the hightest payroll, and we were 10 wins better. I know its still VERY lame, but I don't think anyone should feel worse.

Look at the fans that are pretty satisfied with 33 wins. Isiah got a four year extension for being worse than most of the coaches he fired. Since Isiah's been here, we're still striving to be as good as before he made a move. That's really bad. In addition, Eddy Curry now thinks he's a superstar who got snubbed for the All-Star game, while Channing Frye, Jared Jeffries, Nate Robinson, Steve Francis, have never had lower trade values. Then, the one guy who looked like he might give a reason to hope, David Lee, was brought back TWICE when he wasn't ready, which just kills any faith in our medical staff. Really tough and horrid season.

A bit doomsday, but I find it hard to disagree with the sentiment. I think this team as currently consituted tops out at around 40 wins. I dont see much room for growth with the roster. Its imperative that he makes some sort of move to re-adjust the look of the Knicks and shore up the deficiences. Zeke needs a strong offseason to justify his extention and keep the wolves at bay. I dont know how longer Zeke can withstand another mediocre season. NY will make that seat HOT!

Here is the key. They MUST realize they need someone more rugged than Frye at the 4. I dont care if they use Frye as Eddy's back up and jefferies for certain parts of the game. IF they do realize this and I think they can --they bring in a player like almond who can play NOW who can spread the florr and continue to put SIZE in the backcourt a rugged 4 man and a PG who can also spot up a bit--we'll improve. Someone made an excellent point on another board about Diop and Dampier--they have been the unsung guys on the team--we kind of went that way with jefferies--but he is NOT an interior deterant. I think players that can be had cheap--either through the draft sean williams or through fa justin williams can offer that deterrant that we need for atleast part of the game.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by Solace:

There's a course? The ship is sinking... IMHO, today I feel worse about the team than I did at this point last year. Pretty scary, huh?

How ? We won't have the hightest payroll, and we were 10 wins better. I know its still VERY lame, but I don't think anyone should feel worse.

Look at the fans that are pretty satisfied with 33 wins. Isiah got a four year extension for being worse than most of the coaches he fired. Since Isiah's been here, we're still striving to be as good as before he made a move. That's really bad. In addition, Eddy Curry now thinks he's a superstar who got snubbed for the All-Star game, while Channing Frye, Jared Jeffries, Nate Robinson, Steve Francis, have never had lower trade values. Then, the one guy who looked like he might give a reason to hope, David Lee, was brought back TWICE when he wasn't ready, which just kills any faith in our medical staff. Really tough and horrid season.

A bit doomsday, but I find it hard to disagree with the sentiment. I think this team as currently consituted tops out at around 40 wins. I dont see much room for growth with the roster. Its imperative that he makes some sort of move to re-adjust the look of the Knicks and shore up the deficiences. Zeke needs a strong offseason to justify his extention and keep the wolves at bay. I dont know how longer Zeke can withstand another mediocre season. NY will make that seat HOT!

Here is the key. They MUST realize they need someone more rugged than Frye at the 4. I dont care if they use Frye as Eddy's back up and jefferies for certain parts of the game. IF they do realize this and I think they can --they bring in a player like almond who can play NOW who can spread the florr and continue to put SIZE in the backcourt a rugged 4 man and a PG who can also spot up a bit--we'll improve. Someone made an excellent point on another board about Diop and Dampier--they have been the unsung guys on the team--we kind of went that way with jefferies--but he is NOT an interior deterant. I think players that can be had cheap--either through the draft sean williams or through fa justin williams can offer that deterrant that we need for atleast part of the game.

but can we expect sean williams or justin williams to help right away? it seems this team needs a guy to help NOW so they can make the playoffs. missing it next year would be disatrous.
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4/19/2007  9:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by Solace:

There's a course? The ship is sinking... IMHO, today I feel worse about the team than I did at this point last year. Pretty scary, huh?

How ? We won't have the hightest payroll, and we were 10 wins better. I know its still VERY lame, but I don't think anyone should feel worse.

Look at the fans that are pretty satisfied with 33 wins. Isiah got a four year extension for being worse than most of the coaches he fired. Since Isiah's been here, we're still striving to be as good as before he made a move. That's really bad. In addition, Eddy Curry now thinks he's a superstar who got snubbed for the All-Star game, while Channing Frye, Jared Jeffries, Nate Robinson, Steve Francis, have never had lower trade values. Then, the one guy who looked like he might give a reason to hope, David Lee, was brought back TWICE when he wasn't ready, which just kills any faith in our medical staff. Really tough and horrid season.

A bit doomsday, but I find it hard to disagree with the sentiment. I think this team as currently consituted tops out at around 40 wins. I dont see much room for growth with the roster. Its imperative that he makes some sort of move to re-adjust the look of the Knicks and shore up the deficiences. Zeke needs a strong offseason to justify his extention and keep the wolves at bay. I dont know how longer Zeke can withstand another mediocre season. NY will make that seat HOT!

Here is the key. They MUST realize they need someone more rugged than Frye at the 4. I dont care if they use Frye as Eddy's back up and jefferies for certain parts of the game. IF they do realize this and I think they can --they bring in a player like almond who can play NOW who can spread the florr and continue to put SIZE in the backcourt a rugged 4 man and a PG who can also spot up a bit--we'll improve. Someone made an excellent point on another board about Diop and Dampier--they have been the unsung guys on the team--we kind of went that way with jefferies--but he is NOT an interior deterant. I think players that can be had cheap--either through the draft sean williams or through fa justin williams can offer that deterrant that we need for atleast part of the game.

but can we expect sean williams or justin williams to help right away? it seems this team needs a guy to help NOW so they can make the playoffs. missing it next year would be disatrous.

Mcdyess Turriaf maybe a joe Smith--there are better options @ 4. Depends what the Knicks want to spend AND realizing Frye as a starting 4 isnt going to work with curry.
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