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Allanfan20
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4/19/2007  1:27 PM
SAS Smith just went on an enormous rant after the Isiah interview that made himself seem like a sage and I agreed with him 100%.

Truth is, Isiah loves to coddle his players. FINE.

Isiah doesn't like to single out any of his players when talking negatively, but he'll quickly praise every one of them. FINE.

However, which one of these players deserve a coach like this? Which one of these players go out their and bust their arses no matter what, and so much, that their coach deserves to be their best friend. I say Balkman, Lee, Q, Collins, Nate Rob and MAYBE Crawford.

Everyone else, either takes days off, or have gone on the record and spit on the rest of the league by saying they'd play for nobody else but Isiah. The league that has taken them out of poverty and brought them riches, great publicity, women, free stuff left and right and dreams come true.

Yet in return, players like Curry don't even bother playing defense, and Frye, and others, despite how much Isiah has coddled him. What has Curry given back? He should be a walking 20/10/2 player.

And the sad part is that Dolan approves of this madness. This team isn't worth the time anymore.
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4/19/2007  1:33 PM
And people need to start pointing the finger towards Channing Frye, since we love pointing fingers. We passed an opportunity to take 3 possibly great players in Green, Granger and Bynum for this guy, and what has he given us? He just hangs around the perimeter, plays soft D soft rebounding and no shotblocking. There's a major problem right here, and if he doesn't change his mindset, this is another wasted draft pick.
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4/19/2007  1:34 PM
However, which one of these players deserve a coach like this?

Its not about deserving. Its about trying to make these young kids accountable. You take a guy and call him **** to his face, that was LBs way and it didn't work.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/19/2007  1:35 PM
Wouldn't you love your boss if he never held you accountable for anything and even the slightest bit of effort was worthy of praise?

That's why his players love him. He never holds them accountable for anything.

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4/19/2007  1:40 PM
Posted by kam77:
However, which one of these players deserve a coach like this?

Its not about deserving. Its about trying to make these young kids accountable. You take a guy and call him **** to his face, that was LBs way and it didn't work.

Actually Larry's way was to not accept half assed effort and to push his players to overachieve and succeed. It's worked quite well for him throughout his Hall of Fame career.

These players just care about getting theirs and not being given a hard time when they don't feel like working hard. Isiah is the perfect coach for that and Dolan is the perfect owner.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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4/19/2007  1:40 PM
with the coach and gm being the same person, how do these exit interviews mean anything in terms of bettering the front office of the team? dolan doesn't talk to the players alone. so these exit interviews are basically for just the players.

unlike last year, where it was all about what to do with lb, not the players.

i will raise my hand and admit i'm crying over spilt milk. at least that's how it comes across. but the problem is that nothing being said here is false. and that's the CRAZY thing about it.
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4/19/2007  1:42 PM
Posted by kam77:
However, which one of these players deserve a coach like this?

Its not about deserving. Its about trying to make these young kids accountable. You take a guy and call him **** to his face, that was LBs way and it didn't work.

let's be fair here, if you thought that LBs way didn't work you also gotta admit that Isiah's way is crap too. Nearly same record but less turmoil.
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4/19/2007  1:44 PM
Posted by kam77:
However, which one of these players deserve a coach like this?

Its not about deserving. Its about trying to make these young kids accountable. You take a guy and call him **** to his face, that was LBs way and it didn't work.

OK, and you got the poor player who quit. Stephon Marbury had a lot worse things said to him in life, and done to him. He's probably been around gunfire in Coney Island. So he's gonna stop playing good hard basketball b/c LB is an arsehole? I'm sorry, but that doesn't sit with me. If you remember, at the beginning of that season, LB did nothing but praise Marbury. Then Steph got frustrated, and those Starbury comments came out. So again, I say, Marbury quit on his coach. Therefore, why does he deserve to be coddled by Isiah? What did he do to earn it? What has Channing Frye done to earn being hidden from criticism when Nate Rob is taking so much of it, yet Nate Rob gives it his all no matter what. Why doesn't Isiah yell at Eddy's face, like he does to Nate Rob, for missing defensive assignments? Why does Francis deserve to even be on this roster??????
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4/19/2007  1:45 PM
Point the finger at isiah, he was soft only average 7rbs in the pack ten and everyone knew he was soft, Isiah coddled eddy and left channing out to try, he ****ed up 2/3 picks last year......

Nate doesn't deserve any coddling he is a prick, he has started 3 fights, made ignorant comments, is happy when he has a good game even in a lose and can't be a part of a winner. He is very immature plays out of control doesn't play defense and has perhaps the worst assist/to ration in the league.....crawford doesn't deserve to be coddled either......he is the most well spoken representative of the team but plays reckless and careless we are better with hard nosed players that rely on hustle
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4/19/2007  1:52 PM
i thought larry's way did work. what has isiah's approach yielded differently in terms of results? both approaches showed how critically flawed our roster was/is. and, if the players did put forth some effort last year, i would venture to say that the knicks would have probably won the same amount of games as this year or more. only thing of glaring difference is the way LB talked about the players in public. the "master plan" that IT has is interestingly enough turing out to be similar to what LB's was last year. but, the gm in this case cannot badmouth the coach as they are one in the same. but, what will it say for the gm of this team if we have 3-5 new players on this team next year? you say evident progress from IT, i say bologna, it just took him an extra year to figure out what LB figured out in 5 minutes of preseason practices.
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4/19/2007  1:56 PM
I agree to some extent that its hard to root for players who act immature and seem to be lax in terms of commitment to improving themselves. But if we don't manage these egos we lose everything. We can waste N8 and channing and say they suck, or we can coddle them a bit like troubled teens and hope they grow up into respectable citizens.

Isiah has also proven he is capable (maybe the only coach who can) of reaching his main guys (Mbury,Curry) and getting them to listen to him without question. For all LB's greatness (I admit that LB is a better coach overall) he couldn't get the guys to listen. If LB had that in him, he might've coached us into the playoffs after all.

Isiah reached the main guys. He is the father figure the kids listen to as well. He is more care-taker than coach. But our roster (such that it is and we can blame the GM Isiah) needs Isiah the coach.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/19/2007  3:06 PM
Uhh, not everyone is built to play good defense man.


News flash.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/19/2007  3:08 PM
Larry wanted to get rid of Nate, Mo, Jalen, Francis and Marbury to build a team

Mo and Jalen are gone, Francis is right behind him as is nate so its by no accident we will be better next year
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4/19/2007  3:33 PM
Posted by kam77:

I agree to some extent that its hard to root for players who act immature and seem to be lax in terms of commitment to improving themselves. But if we don't manage these egos we lose everything. We can waste N8 and channing and say they suck, or we can coddle them a bit like troubled teens and hope they grow up into respectable citizens.

Isiah has also proven he is capable (maybe the only coach who can) of reaching his main guys (Mbury,Curry) and getting them to listen to him without question. For all LB's greatness (I admit that LB is a better coach overall) he couldn't get the guys to listen. If LB had that in him, he might've coached us into the playoffs after all.

Isiah reached the main guys. He is the father figure the kids listen to as well. He is more care-taker than coach. But our roster (such that it is and we can blame the GM Isiah) needs Isiah the coach.

Doesn't this wave a big red flag? Curry and Marbury will only play for the only coach that is gonna constantly kiss their ars? You really want players like that?

Bobs, I guess that's the excuse for them sitting down when the other team gets the ball.
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4/19/2007  4:54 PM
Doesn't this wave a big red flag?

We took risks with these guys, no one disputes that. I don't want players like that but I have no choice. You gotta make the best of it. LB didn't want to give a frig. He felt entitled. Isiah NEEDS these guys to save his reputation. Its a dynamic that will work in our favor (hopefully) in the Win column soon. Next year we oughtta win 42+ or i'm calling for Isiah's head.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/19/2007  5:14 PM
If players doesn't listen to the coach he has DNP
The team is losing because of it. Yep it does.
Everybody know why team lost - because the player is not listening to the coach.
This player will have hard time get his money after the contract is over...

So now tell me who in clear mind will give big $$$ to Eddy, Steph, Steve, Nate, big snuck, Jeffries, Fry, Craf?
If Isiah did something for this guys - he lovered their value dramatically and they will lose money big time becouse of IT.
Every man has his demons and if nobody pushing man (especially young one) fight his demons but feeds them with fresh meat the demons will take over and destroy the man.
I have no doubt that we will hear from the players after smoke will go down how they was stuppid not to listen to LB and listen to IT. And how this cut or destroy their bbal carier.



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4/19/2007  9:57 PM
Posted by MS:

Larry wanted to get rid of Nate, Mo, Jalen, Francis and Marbury to build a team

Mo and Jalen are gone, Francis is right behind him as is nate so its by no accident we will be better next year

Larry wanted Isiah out & made every move coaching wise & in the way he conducted himself w/the media, w/the players, & w/the owner & GM to further that goal IMO... to give him any credit for wanting to build a team w/o those players, half of whom he pushed to bring here in the first place, is kinda silly i'd say... i wanted LB over all other choices before last season, but he clearly had a selfish personal agenda when he came here, & that's what got him fired bottomline.
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4/20/2007  12:18 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

SAS Smith just went on an enormous rant after the Isiah interview that made himself seem like a sage and I agreed with him 100%.

Truth is, Isiah loves to coddle his players. FINE.

Isiah doesn't like to single out any of his players when talking negatively, but he'll quickly praise every one of them. FINE.

However, which one of these players deserve a coach like this? Which one of these players go out their and bust their arses no matter what, and so much, that their coach deserves to be their best friend. I say Balkman, Lee, Q, Collins, Nate Rob and MAYBE Crawford.

Everyone else, either takes days off, or have gone on the record and spit on the rest of the league by saying they'd play for nobody else but Isiah. The league that has taken them out of poverty and brought them riches, great publicity, women, free stuff left and right and dreams come true.

Yet in return, players like Curry don't even bother playing defense, and Frye, and others, despite how much Isiah has coddled him. What has Curry given back? He should be a walking 20/10/2 player.

And the sad part is that Dolan approves of this madness. This team isn't worth the time anymore.

Allanfan good post and points.
I love the NYK and will always support them but I agree 150% they are becoming NBAs waste of time the
way they run business and allow coaching , mgmt and players to get away with murder in their game and
approach to improvements.

Its better in Knickland to be liked and loved among everyone like a family and for Dolan to like you
rather than winning games and also respect.

The Org and team is absolute joke. Zeke Thomas who wore piston red/blue and DEFENDED doesnt even care about Knicks identity of Defense which made many teams successful in past. Until I seen changes whether
in roster or mgmt. front office I hope this team losses another 50 games next yr 2007/8

Then perhaps some groups can force this Damn fool Dolan to sell the team. Then we'd have a chance at some philosophy that makes sense. Knicks dont even emulate success of org's like Pistons, Heat, Mavs & Spurs or even the earlier Bulls (6 titles.)

Knicks are off on some island believing their way is the right way and they are smarter than every GM
in the league with their ass-sadine $$$ salary cap.

Shaq was right, when he says about Pat Ewing and Knicks organization.
"You trade a legend and bad things happen to you!"

Well its 6-7 yrs now we're saddle with this retooling the team. We're sux and cant even pick a top 1-5
in the draft cause the 50win Chicago Bulls will get the pick.

amazing round here isn't it ? amazing times to be a knick fan eh ?
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4/20/2007  1:23 AM
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

That's exactly what's going on here. People hate Isiah(not that I fault that) so much that any body against Isiah is automatically given sainthood. If Isiah wasn't GM and LB pulled that kind of crap Isles and the gang would be the ones boiling the tar and plucking the chickens.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MS:

Larry wanted to get rid of Nate, Mo, Jalen, Francis and Marbury to build a team

Mo and Jalen are gone, Francis is right behind him as is nate so its by no accident we will be better next year

Larry wanted Isiah out & made every move coaching wise & in the way he conducted himself w/the media, w/the players, & w/the owner & GM to further that goal IMO... to give him any credit for wanting to build a team w/o those players, half of whom he pushed to bring here in the first place, is kinda silly i'd say... i wanted LB over all other choices before last season, but he clearly had a selfish personal agenda when he came here, & that's what got him fired bottomline.
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4/20/2007  2:36 AM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

That's exactly what's going on here. People hate Isiah(not that I fault that) so much that any body against Isiah is automatically given sainthood. If Isiah wasn't GM and LB pulled that kind of crap Isles and the gang would be the ones boiling the tar and plucking the chickens.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MS:

Larry wanted to get rid of Nate, Mo, Jalen, Francis and Marbury to build a team

Mo and Jalen are gone, Francis is right behind him as is nate so its by no accident we will be better next year

Larry wanted Isiah out & made every move coaching wise & in the way he conducted himself w/the media, w/the players, & w/the owner & GM to further that goal IMO... to give him any credit for wanting to build a team w/o those players, half of whom he pushed to bring here in the first place, is kinda silly i'd say... i wanted LB over all other choices before last season, but he clearly had a selfish personal agenda when he came here, & that's what got him fired bottomline.

I don't think Isiah is "The enemy" anymore. I think it's just the organization, developing this losing attitude/environment that has killed the Knicks. It's the fault of Dolan, Thomas, Mills, LB, Herb, Mark A and the players. Everyone.
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